I was going to mock you....

[marbleheadmaui]

And sticking to tactics that almost guarantee getting sparked is just plain stupid.

How he boxed was his best chance... It was just a slim one.

Nope. Taking the risks necessary to get in range to be able to land was his only shot. He chose to take the money and run.

[AdamGB]

what risks could he have taken? He was trying to get Wlad to over commit so he could move his head and use laterall movement and land something big (ask wlad's left cheek) Wlad's jab was too good to give much though.

I said prior to the fight that was his only real chance and that's exactly what he did.

We all seem to be forgetting the physicality... Anything else would be a sure fire way to get KOd.

I'm really getting a sense of who knows the reality of being in the ring and competing against such a stronger fighter.

[Gandalf]

what risks could he have taken? He was trying to get Wlad to over commit so he could move his head and use laterall movement and land something big (ask wlad's left cheek) Wlad's jab was too good to give much though.

I said prior to the fight that was his only real chance and that's exactly what he did.

We all seem to be forgetting the physicality... Anything else would be a sure fire way to get KOd.

I'm really getting a sense of who knows the reality of being in the ring and competing against such a stronger fighter.

We all know that Wlad is the bigger, stronger man. But Haye was quicker he should have been working to get inside and work Wlad over. But he didn't do that, he waited and waited and waited. Sure, Wlad was heavier, but also slower and known not to have the greatest chin. Haye is only a few inches shorter, a smaller man can still get in close and try to do some work. It wasn't that great an obstacle. In fact Wlad was even fighting at Haye's height for a lot of the fight.

Haye didn't try to land telling blows frequently enough, he used exactly the same method against Valuev and that was the problem, he didn't do okay. He lost by a landslide. You say you are the main man and then don't even try and then bitch about a toe? It's just sad really. Two years of talk and that's what it all boiled down to.

It had echoes of Mosley/Pac. One guy forcing it and the other on the retreat for the entire fight and then of course we have the blisters.

[marbleheadmaui]

what risks could he have taken? He was trying to get Wlad to over commit so he could move his head and use laterall movement and land something big (ask wlad's left cheek) Wlad's jab was too good to give much though.

I said prior to the fight that was his only real chance and that's exactly what he did.

We all seem to be forgetting the physicality... Anything else would be a sure fire way to get KOd.

I'm really getting a sense of who knows the reality of being in the ring and competing against such a stronger fighter.

Well I assume your list doesn't include Haye and Booth. What could he have done? Pretty simple actually. Two options. When he slipped the jab step inside and go to the body and stay inside flurrying until Wlad grabbed him. The second option was to retreat six inches at a time and then punch when Wlad came in range ala Joe Louis.

You act like size and strength are the only determinants. Yet somehow Chambers beat Dimitrenko, Louis beat Buddy Baer, and Mike Spinks beat Larry Holmes.

[AdamGB]

what risks could he have taken? He was trying to get Wlad to over commit so he could move his head and use laterall movement and land something big (ask wlad's left cheek) Wlad's jab was too good to give much though.

I said prior to the fight that was his only real chance and that's exactly what he did.

We all seem to be forgetting the physicality... Anything else would be a sure fire way to get KOd.

I'm really getting a sense of who knows the reality of being in the ring and competing against such a stronger fighter.

Well I assume your list doesn't include Haye and Booth. What could he have done? Pretty simple actually. Two options. When he slipped the jab step inside and go to the body and stay inside flurrying until Wlad grabbed him. The second option was to retreat six inches at a time and then punch when Wlad came in range ala Joe Louis.

You act like size and strength are the only determinants. Yet somehow Chambers beat Dimitrenko, Louis beat Buddy Baer, and Mike Spinks beat Larry Holmes.

For Haye to fight off the back foot like louis wlad would have had to gave been more aggressive... Do you honestly think that Haye would gave been the first person to flurry at Wlad on the inside? We'ce seen smaller guys try it before and it doesn't end well.

Have you read my posts at all? I've constantly said that Wlad has perfected a style that utilises his height and reach perfectly and the strength to make sure that nobody will stand with him. Could wlad be smaller and be effectice doing what he does? No. He has the perfect synergy between physicality, style and skill.

The way you're acting is as if I said valuev should be the greatest of all time. Reading what you want to read.

[Dave Hughey]

what risks could he have taken? He was trying to get Wlad to over commit so he could move his head and use laterall movement and land something big (ask wlad's left cheek) Wlad's jab was too good to give much though.

I said prior to the fight that was his only real chance and that's exactly what he did.

We all seem to be forgetting the physicality... Anything else would be a sure fire way to get KOd.

I'm really getting a sense of who knows the reality of being in the ring and competing against such a stronger fighter.

I agree. I think Haye trained to fight the fight like he did. If you're a small heavy, you fight Wlad sort of like the way you would fight a buzz saw or a pile driver. Your only hope is to stay away until you can somehow disconnect the power.

I think Haye did what he could do. He knew he could outrun Wlad, and he hoped to get that one chance for a KO without taking too much risk of getting his own brain scrambled. And he did give Wlad at least one good shot, so I say he did what he could do.

That's being pretty realistic and indicates to me that Haye's mental health is pretty good. He wants to retire intact and smell the roses.

I wish I could be in Haye's shoes today. I'd cry all the way to the bank.

But the toe? Oh Geez! I would hope I could keep my mouth shut. People will remember Haye's toe long after they have forgotten Haye.

[generalbulldog]

And sticking to tactics that almost guarantee getting sparked is just plain stupid.

How he boxed was his best chance... It was just a slim one.

Nope. Taking the risks necessary to get in range to be able to land was his only shot. He chose to take the money and run.

It is a loss cause. If I were you I would not debate with nationalistic sports fans, especially of the British variety. For fucks sakes there was an old thread here that a few of them believe that they can beat Manny Pacman in a boxing ring because they did some boxing in a gym and had height and weight advantages over him. Talk about delusional.

[Gandalf]

And sticking to tactics that almost guarantee getting sparked is just plain stupid.

How he boxed was his best chance... It was just a slim one.

Nope. Taking the risks necessary to get in range to be able to land was his only shot. He chose to take the money and run.

It is a loss cause. If I were you I would not debate with nationalistic sports fans, especially of the British variety. For fucks sakes there was an old thread here that a few of them believe that they can beat Manny Pacman in a boxing ring because they did some boxing in a gym and had height and weight advantages over him. Talk about delusional.

Nationalists of any variety, GB. It's not just the Brits. I'm certainly not making any excuses for Haye, it was a poor showing and that appears to be the general consensus beyond a few who seem to want to make excuses for him.