The "experts" predicted an easy KO for Wlad. He would take Haye "whenever he felt like it"
Instead we saw SIZE determine the outcome.
A good big man beats a good little man.
Well done Wlad.
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The "experts" predicted an easy KO for Wlad. He would take Haye "whenever he felt like it"
Instead we saw SIZE determine the outcome.
A good big man beats a good little man.
Well done Wlad.
Oh come on, you've got to Give Wlad more credit than that.
He handed an overly cautious chicken shit Haye a one sided beating.
Haye's performance was pathetic. Diving to the canvas every time Wlad grabbed him and complaining to the ref the whole time. He threw himself to the canvas in every single round for God's sake!
Haye has no class at all.
Bwahahyahaha
We saw attitude determine outcome.
You need to look up the definitions of "Magnificent" "Effort" and "Fact"
Does anyone remember those times where Fenster didnt put Fact at the end of every sentence, i miss those times ;D
It winds people up. I can guarantee a bunch of dummies will follow anything I start ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
Haye did not put it on the line. he still had gas in the tank, loud mouth wanna be
Haye showed he is no Manny Pacquiao for sure.
I thought his performance was ok. He took some decent shots. But his moaning about a broken toe afterwards as if that was all that cost him the fight just turned me to hating him again.
Wlad did what Wlad does, and he did it well.
I disagree with the size comment. Wlad has height and reach, and uses them both effectively. If Haye weighed in at 17 stone he would have still lost.
You have done this before, discredit Wlad's performances becuase of his size. But if size was what really mattered why are all the other heavyweights in history smaller than the Klitschko's?
Excessive size is no advantage on its own in heavyweight boxing and anyone who has watched the sport for as long as you have knows that.
Wlad has perfected his style, and is dominant.
Listen mate, if you knew boxing history you'd realise Haye was attempting something that is VERY rare. Lighterweight champions becoming HEAVYWEIGHT champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
Do a little research.
He didn't even make the attempt.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterListen mate, if you knew boxing history you'd realise Haye was attempting something that is VERY rare. Lighterweight champions becoming HEAVYWEIGHT champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
Do a little research.
LAUGHINGSTOCK!
Indeed, in fact have to wait now for 3 whole months before someone attempts it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterListen mate, if you knew boxing history you'd realise Haye was attempting something that is VERY rare. Lighterweight champions becoming HEAVYWEIGHT champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
Do a little research.
Terrible wind up thread, really boring. Fact.
I think Haye was trying to bedazzle him with the harshness and menace of his verbage.
This ain't a "wind-up" thread.
Haye was meant to be DESTROYED. Did that happen? NO. So all the "experts" have a thread to come and apologise to Haye.
Lets keep it real. No harm in being proven wrong. Fact.
Well power is generated from the big toe, fact.
Magnificent effort? He talked so big about how he would KO Wlad and he ended up like every other guy who fought Wlad over the last few years. He CONSISTENTLY whined to the referee, flopped to the mat like a fish claiming to be pushed, and had absolutely NO answer to Wlad when his "lunging punch" strategy wasn't working.
If you are a Haye fan/Brit and you're proud of this performance, you're delusional. It was a disgrace, and it was yet another bitter reminder why boxing is a dying sport. HUGE hype, TINY show.
Spot on, which is why Haye managed to smash and grab Valuev. He couldnt do that to Wlad because Wlad is perfectly sized, any bigger he'd start to lose mobility, any shorter it makes him and easier target to get to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
totally correct... i guess like me you also expected Haye to get sparked out and be totally out of his depth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
he was not and I think maybe me and you are the only ones supprised at this... oh and Wlad judging by his UK interview ;)
I don't think Wladimir or his team ever once said Haye would be quickly destroyed, in fact Wlad thought it would be a 12 round fight and a late knockout for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
There are people on this site, myself included who thought (hoped) that Haye would get embarrassed but if you think mine or Lyle's opinion means something to the wider boxing community then sadly I think you are overestimating our international influence.
It was a massive shock to see Haye cope with Wlads right hands, the sad part is it came as no surprise to Haye and it didnt seem to spur him into action :-\
Exactly, apologize for what? You honestly feel that was a laudible performance from Haye? He didn't get destroyed because he fought a terribly negative fight in which Wlad was content to control him from range and easily win on the cards. That was the blunt of the smack talk coming from Haye in the lead up, yet he was content to be another overmatched opponent and last the 12. I wasnt rooting for either fighter and like any real fan was just hoping to see a good fight. Everything you post seems to be an effort to polarize and wind up those who are to thick to detect sarcasm, which is fair enough I guess. Just kind of boring in this case if you ask me. Haye deserves absolutey no credit for that after all of his antics, but of course you know this.
If he was perfectly sized then Jameel Mcline and Tye Fields would be naturals too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisSpot on, which is why Haye managed to smash and grab Valuev. He couldnt do that to Wlad because Wlad is perfectly sized, any bigger he'd start to lose mobility, any shorter it makes him and easier target to get to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I think its more a case of both he and his brother use their natural genetics to their best advantage. He fights in the perfect way to utilise his height and reach. Its too simplistic to say Wlad is 6ft 6 and 240 lbs therefore he is good. You could just as easily (in fact far more likely) see a 6ft 6 240lb fighter who was mediocre, slow and cumbersome.
Wlad wins because he is a great fighter. Sure his frame helps, just as Roy Jones was helped by his natural athleticism. But he should be given full credit for it, just like Jones Jr.
Haye, remove the A game, add the Pinky toe P. Hype.
Exactly Saddo. I was almost certain Haye was getting sparked out. Going the distance is enough to suprise and impress me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddototally correct... i guess like me you also expected Haye to get sparked out and be totally out of his depth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
he was not and I think maybe me and you are the only ones supprised at this... oh and Wlad judging by his UK interview ;)
Wlad was by far the worthy winner. But Haye certainly didn't disgrace himself.
Some guys can't give credit where it's due. The best man won. Fact.
You do what you have toe DO ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SjNs4rNyT4
I really hope Haye does not mention his toe in every interview instead of just giving Wlad his dues... I remember Hatton bleeted about the ref in the Mayweather fight for months after. :rolleyes:
I genuinely think Haye did well.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Whether you respond to my threads or not is entirely up to you.
Would you like me to make bogus threads?
He hasn't shown much class so far, doubt hell start suddenly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
I don't disagree with you on that Fenster. I thought Haye would be stopped as soon as Wlad connected.
The first four rounds or so were pretty entertaining and he did give hope (or concern if you hate him) that he might land.
He didn't disgrace himself with his performance in the ring.
his pre and post fight comments though...
I guess maybe I don't read this forum enough anymore, but the criticism Haye had thrown his way seemed to be in vein of him simply not being good enough, having not taken the proper fights to prepare himself, and possibly not even believing in his own chances to win this fight. After watching that all of those struck me as very valid points, and Haye really showed nothing to disprove them. But he DID show a much better chin than I expected he would, so fair enough there. It's like Memphis posted though, the fact that he could take Wlads right never seemed to give him any more belief that he could actually beat Wlad, kind of sucked to watch.
nailed it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterExactly Saddo. I was almost certain Haye was getting sparked out. Going the distance is enough to suprise and impress me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddototally correct... i guess like me you also expected Haye to get sparked out and be totally out of his depth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
he was not and I think maybe me and you are the only ones supprised at this... oh and Wlad judging by his UK interview ;)
Wlad was by far the worthy winner. But Haye certainly didn't disgrace himself.
Some guys can't give credit where it's due. The best man won. Fact.
Absolutely spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboIf he was perfectly sized then Jameel Mcline and Tye Fields would be naturals too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisSpot on, which is why Haye managed to smash and grab Valuev. He couldnt do that to Wlad because Wlad is perfectly sized, any bigger he'd start to lose mobility, any shorter it makes him and easier target to get to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I think its more a case of both he and his brother use their natural genetics to their best advantage. He fights in the perfect way to utilise his height and reach. Its too simplistic to say Wlad is 6ft 6 and 240 lbs therefore he is good. You could just as easily (in fact far more likely) see a 6ft 6 240lb fighter who was mediocre, slow and cumbersome.
Wlad wins because he is a great fighter. Sure his frame helps, just as Roy Jones was helped by his natural athleticism. But he should be given full credit for it, just like Jones Jr.
If it was just a case of Wlad being too big for Haye then Valuev would have beaten him as well. Wlad is undoubtedly very limited, but he manages to get the very best out of what he has got and makes sure he uses his physically advantage well.
Tyson used the fact that he was a small heavyweight to his advantage. He gave a height, reach and weight advantage away to almost everyone he ever fought yet he still managed to demolish everything put in front of him in his prime.
Haye just ran and stunk the place out. When things didn't go for him he tried to cheat and get Wlad disqualified or points deductions. I don't think I have ever seen a fighter throw himself to the canvas in every round like Haye did.
I'm not surprised Wlad couldn't get the knockout because Haye was constantly moving backwards. Even the couple of decent right hands that got through caught Haye as he was moving away from the punch so he didn't take the full impact of them at all.
I must admit when he started mentioning the toe I knew I was gonna need time to work-out a decent counter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I still haven';t/
Let's not give haye too much credit. His defense was a little better than I thought. But the reason wlad did not punish him is because haye never engaged and wlad is not a head hunter
:vd: Not surprised one bit to see Fenster praising Haye going 12 by employing his favorite style. Dropping to his knees every chance he could. Fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterExactly Saddo. I was almost certain Haye was getting sparked out. Going the distance is enough to suprise and impress me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddototally correct... i guess like me you also expected Haye to get sparked out and be totally out of his depth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
he was not and I think maybe me and you are the only ones supprised at this... oh and Wlad judging by his UK interview ;)
Wlad was by far the worthy winner. But Haye certainly didn't disgrace himself.
Some guys can't give credit where it's due. The best man won. Fact.
VD I thought you would have enjoyed it... seeing a giant easter European constantly pushing a smaller guys head down to his own crotch seems like the type of thing you'd find quite exciting.
So true, and without properly working big toe, your power is reduced by at least 75%, fact!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
BTW, a damaged big toe can also reduce the size of your cojones by at least 50%, fact!
Hayes chin deserves credit, the way he fought was too cautious for me.
I always believed Haye had the tools to beat Wlad and still do pretty much except for the most important one and the one I thought he had in abundance and that is confidence in his own ability to KO Wlad.
I know you did. Hell your sig says it all. Mouth wide open. Long things going in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
I'm not even gonna own you for this because I laughed out loud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: Not surprised one bit to see Fenster praising Haye going 12 by employing his favorite style. Dropping to his knees every chance he could. Fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterExactly Saddo. I was almost certain Haye was getting sparked out. Going the distance is enough to suprise and impress me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddototally correct... i guess like me you also expected Haye to get sparked out and be totally out of his depth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
he was not and I think maybe me and you are the only ones supprised at this... oh and Wlad judging by his UK interview ;)
Wlad was by far the worthy winner. But Haye certainly didn't disgrace himself.
Some guys can't give credit where it's due. The best man won. Fact.
What was your prediction? Wlad KO 1 :LOLATYOU:
Seems that all the excitment has worn you out... when your best comeback is "I know you are but what am I" then you really need to rest up and come back with something a bit stronger. :)
I could list all the things it looks like your e-thug avatar looks like it's doing... but that is known as 'clutching at staws' or 'scraping the bottom of the barrell'.
Really weak shit... Used to get a good laugh out of you, but it's like you're not even trying :-\ :(