if a genie pops up and asks you to pick just one what would it be?
Great power or Great chin?
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if a genie pops up and asks you to pick just one what would it be?
Great power or Great chin?
I think it's a great chin. I can think of many great fighters without exceptional power.
I can't think of any who couldn't take a really good shot.
I also think it says something that many of the quotes from great fighters refer to reacting to big shots rather than landing them.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't"
-Dempsey
It is easy. Chin most definately
Well as somebody who never intends to box competitively or ever get into a scrap again, I'd definetly say power just so I could show off on rare occasions;D.
I gotta go with chin. Best case I can master arsenal and rapid combination punching waiting for a guy to breaks his hands on my cast iron jaw.......worse case & bigger career wise I'm the next Tex Cobb ;D
hahaha like that one;DQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
ill go with power, having a great chin in my opinion is alot of times as much trouble as it is worth with regard to your health
My wish to the genie would be for infinate wishes , therefore i could then follow with wishes for both a rock chin and KO power.
power is definately more exciting
chin might be a better asset
eubank benn is the prime example
Chin indicates how long you can survive, power how fast you can smash somebody down. I am ok with smashing somebody in the long run but definitely not with the idea of not be everlasting. Chin for me, please.
If two fighters fought each other and each had one of thses attributes the fighter with the good chin will more likely be standing come the end.
A good chin is your insurance policy.
Put it this way. Kahn wishes he had the choice. It must be like walking on egg shells for Roach when hes in the corner;D
Power would be my choice, end of the day, doesnt matter how good ya chin is, if I pound ya in the ribs with my power ya going down !, ala Mike McCallum, Hatton etc
I'd take power, knock out the genie put him in a bottle for later when I need a chin.
Great power almost gaurantees success. You are considered dangerous at ANY level. A great chin just means you take more punishment. Many journeyman have had stronger chins than great fighters.
Power is easily the better bet.
Hard work, proper techinquie, one get more power.
A great chin, comes from birth!!!
Thomas Hearns. Terry Norris. Julian Jackson. Yeah power over chin no doubt. I'll play the get you before you get me game all day. Just like they did
Power is more important because you can be exciting and win fights. I would rather be remembered for a Hearn’s than a Mercer.
Just slightly out of topic though I just remembered one of my favorite heavies David Tua's got the best of both worlds, chin and power. What was his downfall?
Yeah? Edison Miranda, Artie Levine, Cleveland Williams and Cyclone Hart are on your other line ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I'd say not building even further on what he naturally had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
No desire. Said he wanted to be champion. But didn't take the chances when he got the opportunity. Seemed to accept he wasn't going to beat Lewis after like the 4th round and pretty much just went through the motions. Did the same thing against Chris Byrd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
Maybe I can blame the paint chips....but I've always thought Tuas power was a bit overrated. Sorta think in long run that ko of Ruiz did him no favors. Lost intensity thinking that miracle left hook would come in end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
Thanks Andre, VD and Spicoli, you guys are right except the Tua's power being overrated. I think Tua's power is consistent from Rahman's, Oquendo's, Maskaev's, Ruiz and the Nigerian or South African guy's kayo. They were pretty strong opposition IMO.
Good examples, that also highlight the difficult in classifying a world class power puncher. Miranda is the only fighter I've seen extensively that you list, and his power was incredibly raw(perhaps a tad overrated also imo). He is extremely limited in punch variety, and doesn't have many ways to set up a big punch on the top level. I think that is really the main thing seperating him from someone like Julian Jackson or Earnie Shavers, who were just as chinny and raw to start with similar physicality. Both of those guys had much better timing and in Jacksons case craft and variety. If Jackson were as useless going backwards as Miranda was Herol Graham would've never gotten caught like that, McLellan would've completely blasted him out in the first fight etc etc. Guys who are thought of as limited sluggers often have a lot more to their game than meets the eye, a guy who is primarily a puncher(especially if they are chinny) need to make their opponent respect that they can land from angles, moving back etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiYeah? Edison Miranda, Artie Levine, Cleveland Williams and Cyclone Hart are on your other line ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Both great power & great chins have their drawbacks. Guys with great chins often never feel they have to learn defensive techniques. All those shots you eat as an amateur, as a pro & in years of sparring catch up so you want to make sure it's as few as possible. Great power as I said would be my preference, however that has it's drawbacks as too many of these power punches expect someone to go first decent punch. If they don't then they don't know how to change up.
If I was a pro it would definitely be power. Power gets TV networks & fans wanting to see you. Great power can take you at the least to the borders of the elite (see Randall Bailey & Earnie Shavers) & often much further than a fighter's skillset should allow. However, most importantly great power means a hell of a lot more money to see you fight & that's what you want as a pro.
Power
Can't believe so many of you are choosing chins. How many times in your life have you been knocked out and been lacking for a good chin? :confused:
I'd go for the power every day of the week. Then the next time I kiss some girl and her boyfriends brother tries to kick my ass I will fucking bury him.
For an average Joe living a civilian life a good chin is a waste. Your body will still be soft, doughy and pathetically weak. And you'll have no power to fight back so will have to back down anyway.
I think that it was asked assuming we'd be boxer, not for the daily life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Your reading comprehension was poor. The Genie gave one wish! Chin or power, not pro boxing career plus chin or power.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessI think that it was asked assuming we'd be boxer, not for the daily life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
And this is saying nothing about the legalities of using genies in boxing. It would most definitely be outlawed imo and so if you asked a genie for a reinforced chin as a pro boxer and got caught, you are getting banned my friend.
a fighter with little ability but a huge amount of raw power can still win fights as he has that punchers chance
little ability mixed with an awesome chin is just asking for trouble i think, leads to taking a lot of punishment and slurring your words like a drunk before you hit 35
All four are successes. They had winning records and were considered good enough to compete with the best of their era. Why? Power being their greatest asset.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiYeah? Edison Miranda, Artie Levine, Cleveland Williams and Cyclone Hart are on your other line ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Power means you can win. Granite chin doesn't tell us anything other than you can take a beating.
Chin is an utterly foolish pick given the choice ;)
Since I'm just a man sitting at a computer and not a professional fighter, I'd request a great chin. It might help me survive an ordeal. Animal attack, bad fall or whatever.