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Gatti: A new investigation rules suicide absolutely impossible
Gatti: nouvelle preuve contre le suicide - RDS.ca
According to RDS, the result from a "new" investigation (which lasted for around 10 months) concludes that it is physically impossible that Gatti would have commited suicide in Brazil. The results and proofs are apparently shocking enough that a judge from the brazilian court re-opened the investigation case concerning this affair.
Dear Thunder, may you soon repose in peace for good.
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Re: Gatti: A new investigation rules suicide absolutely impossible
I can't say I am surprised, it has always looked decidedly dodgy. So, what happens now? The Brazilians are looking into it again?
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New evidence in Arturo Gatti death?
This is interesting, it's still hard for me to believe my boy Arturo hung himself:
NEWARK, N.J. -- A private probe into the 2009 death of former boxing champion Arturo Gatti will disprove the official conclusion that it was a suicide, Gatti's former manager said Tuesday.
Gatti, a popular junior welterweight champion who retired in 2007 with a career record of 40 wins and nine losses, was found in July 2009 at an apartment he and his family had rented in the Brazilian seaside resort of Porto de Galihnas.
Brazilian police initially considered Gatti's wife, Amanda Rodrigues, a prime suspect and arrested her for his murder but released her a few weeks later. They eventually concluded after an autopsy that Gatti hanged himself with a handbag strap from a wooden staircase column in their apartment.
Former manager Pat Lynch said Tuesday he hired Paul Ciolino, a private investigator from Chicago, about 10 months ago to take a new look at the case. He said the results of the investigation would be released at a news conference at the end of this month.
Arturo Gatti's manager -- Investigation will show boxer didn't commit suicide - ESPN
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I dunno.
What else was an investigation paid for by the family going to find? Was it really likely that these guys were going to come back and say "Sorry, but your son/brother really did kill himself?"
I look forward to seeing what they come up with of course, but my guess is everyone is just going to have to live with never knowing what really transpired that night.
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marbleheadmaui
I dunno.
What else was an investigation paid for by the family going to find? Was it really likely that these guys were going to come back and say "Sorry, but your son/brother really did kill himself?"
I look forward to seeing what they come up with of course, but my guess is everyone is just going to have to live with never knowing what really transpired that night.
Yeah I heard about this too. They are claiming that the evidence they have will make it clear that Gatti did not kill himself. I kind of get what u r saying but I think it is more about closure for the family than anything else because I know from experience that nothing is worst that not knowing. I truly believe that if it was clear cut evidence that it was a suicide that the family would've tried to move on by now but considering the relationship status between Gatti and his wife and all the other variables surrounding the case I can't say I blame the family one bit.......even if it is partly about getting the money from the chick because that would be gutwrenching if I were in their shoes
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His wife is the female OJ Simpson.
Bitch.
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boxingbantz
His wife is the female OJ Simpson.
Bitch.
remind us all how this little woman murdered this professional boxer with her bare hands?
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IIRC, the Canadian government sent some investigators down right after he died and they concluded that the death was suspicious.
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boxingbantz
His wife is the female OJ Simpson.
Bitch.
He was no angel either. I believe he had physically assaulted her etc., so IF she did it I'm sure there is plenty of blame to go around.
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Howlin Mad Missy
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boxingbantz
His wife is the female OJ Simpson.
Bitch.
remind us all how this little woman murdered this professional boxer with her bare hands?
He was hammered. Besides, there are plenty of ways to kill people that don't involve overwhelming physically.
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CFH
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Howlin Mad Missy
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boxingbantz
His wife is the female OJ Simpson.
Bitch.
remind us all how this little woman murdered this professional boxer with her bare hands?
He was hammered. Besides, there are plenty of ways to kill people that don't involve overwhelming physically.
and lets not act like there couldn't of been a 3rd person, she was Brazilian and they were in Brazil, it's not like she couldn't have gotten a helping hand if the price was right :-\
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CFH
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Howlin Mad Missy
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boxingbantz
His wife is the female OJ Simpson.
Bitch.
remind us all how this little woman murdered this professional boxer with her bare hands?
He was hammered. Besides, there are plenty of ways to kill people that don't involve overwhelming physically.
& if it's a woman it is most likely to be shooting or poison as we aren't generally physically strong enough to overpower men, drunk or not.
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Howlin Mad Missy
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CFH
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Howlin Mad Missy
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boxingbantz
His wife is the female OJ Simpson.
Bitch.
remind us all how this little woman murdered this professional boxer with her bare hands?
He was hammered. Besides, there are plenty of ways to kill people that don't involve overwhelming physically.
& if it's a woman it is most likely to be shooting or poison as we aren't generally physically strong enough to overpower men, drunk or not.
Were there any symptoms of him being physically overpowered though? He was just hung, it's not like he had his skull smashed in (as far as I know). That could have been accomplished a bunch of different ways, especially if he was shit-faced.
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CFH
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Howlin Mad Missy
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boxingbantz
His wife is the female OJ Simpson.
Bitch.
remind us all how this little woman murdered this professional boxer with her bare hands?
He was hammered. Besides, there are plenty of ways to kill people that don't involve overwhelming physically.
and lets not act like there couldn't of been a 3rd person, she was Brazilian and they were in Brazil, it's not like she couldn't have gotten a helping hand if the price was right :-\
Yeah, that's the thing - no one knows how it happened because everything that happens is so suspicious and uncertain.
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CFH
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Howlin Mad Missy
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CFH
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
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boxingbantz
His wife is the female OJ Simpson.
Bitch.
remind us all how this little woman murdered this professional boxer with her bare hands?
He was hammered. Besides, there are plenty of ways to kill people that don't involve overwhelming physically.
& if it's a woman it is most likely to be shooting or poison as we aren't generally physically strong enough to overpower men, drunk or not.
Were there any symptoms of him being physically overpowered though? He was just hung, it's not like he had his skull smashed in (as far as I know). That could have been accomplished a bunch of different ways, especially if he was shit-faced.
drag a body so that it's weight hangs itself?
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Howlin Mad Missy
we aren't generally physically strong enough to overpower men, drunk or not.
And dont you forget it you slaag or you'll be sniffing fucking knuckles get me?!
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hmmm it says he was hung with a handbag strap. maybe it was an accident. she could have been hitting him with the purse and it got caught around his neck and fell over. Unlikely but possible I guess. Or maybe ive just seen too many movies
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I remember reading about it and the 1 thing i found dodgy was that the wife was in the apartment/flat/property for a long time after the death.....not sure what that means does that mean she was sat with a body in the next room without knowing?
don't think we'll ever know
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I remember reading about it and the 1 thing i found dodgy was that the wife was in the apartment/flat/property for a long time after the death.....not sure what that means does that mean she was sat with a body in the next room without knowing?
don't think we'll ever know
Depends whats on TV. If she's only 20 mins into The Green Mile he's still going to be dead at the end so might as well see it through. It doesnt have to be sinister.
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howlin mad missy
we aren't generally physically strong enough to overpower men, drunk or not.
and dont you forget it you slaag or you'll be sniffing fucking knuckles get me?!
who let you out of the kitchen? Whore. Fetch me a beer and a sandwich.
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Re: Gatti: A new investigation rules suicide absolutely impossible
Suicide was always the most probable answer. Now it's impossible?
Can someone translate that please?
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Howlin Mad Missy
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CFH
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Howlin Mad Missy
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CFH
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
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boxingbantz
His wife is the female OJ Simpson.
Bitch.
remind us all how this little woman murdered this professional boxer with her bare hands?
He was hammered. Besides, there are plenty of ways to kill people that don't involve overwhelming physically.
& if it's a woman it is most likely to be shooting or poison as we aren't generally physically strong enough to overpower men, drunk or not.
Were there any symptoms of him being physically overpowered though? He was just hung, it's not like he had his skull smashed in (as far as I know). That could have been accomplished a bunch of different ways, especially if he was shit-faced.
drag a body so that it's weight hangs itself?
Who knows how he died. He could have been killed though other means and then hung. A competent/uncorrupt investigation would reveal that pretty easier I would think, but from all impartial accounts that type of investigation never occurred.
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E:60 and Jeremy Schaap did a story on this maybe a year ago.
Lots of strange things going on.
Here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhTyc...37CD14A2719C13
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CFH
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Howlin Mad Missy
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CFH
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Howlin Mad Missy
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Originally Posted by
CFH
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
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Originally Posted by
boxingbantz
His wife is the female OJ Simpson.
Bitch.
remind us all how this little woman murdered this professional boxer with her bare hands?
He was hammered. Besides, there are plenty of ways to kill people that don't involve overwhelming physically.
& if it's a woman it is most likely to be shooting or poison as we aren't generally physically strong enough to overpower men, drunk or not.
Were there any symptoms of him being physically overpowered though? He was just hung, it's not like he had his skull smashed in (as far as I know). That could have been accomplished a bunch of different ways, especially if he was shit-faced.
drag a body so that it's weight hangs itself?
Who knows how he died. He could have been killed though other means and then hung. A competent/uncorrupt investigation would reveal that pretty easier I would think, but from all impartial accounts that type of investigation never occurred.
And I'm not sure why we would think it was even possible to do a proper investigation a year later.
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i'm not buying her emotional reactions during the interview. she seems insincere.
she also didn't directly answer the question about being involved in his death.
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any moron can see this was an inside job. gatti was murdered.
my guess is that she found a new brazilian lover, and they wanted to run off w/ gattis money in hand. a big set up was planned, well, and they got away with it.
poor Arturo. such a great fighter!
i hope someone avenges him...
R.I.P
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Howlin Mad Missy
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boxingbantz
His wife is the female OJ Simpson.
Bitch.
remind us all how this little woman murdered this professional boxer with her bare hands?
Wasn't he intoxicated enough to down an elephant?
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Re: Gatti: A new investigation rules suicide absolutely impossible
well, I've fallen asleep sitting on the toilet while my head was resting on the sink.....I still woke up when someone said my name. Not sure how drunk I would have to be to not put up any kind of reflex struggle if someone was trying to kill me :confused:
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The kind of drunk that makes you pass out on the bar floor at which point your friends have to carry you out on their shoulders and you only remember bits n pieces of the night
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Fenster
Suicide was always the most probable answer. Now it's impossible?
Can someone translate that please?
Yeah you've got me. If there is any merit to these new allegations it really speaks woefully for the judicial system in Brazil. How on earth could they now determine that suicide was "impossible" without performing another autopsy(which wasn't done initially)? Would it even be possible after this length of time?
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p4pking
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Fenster
Suicide was always the most probable answer. Now it's impossible?
Can someone translate that please?
Yeah you've got me. If there is any merit to these new allegations it really speaks woefully for the judicial system in Brazil. How on earth could they now determine that suicide was "impossible" without performing another autopsy(which wasn't done initially)? Would it even be possible after this length of time?
With new techologies it is now faisable. I remember to have read the Michael Baaden's file, the guy from NY who did perform the first research and his conclusions were that murder was impossible to rule out in these dodgy circumstances. I've read somewhere (only rumors for the moment though) that it was absolutely impossible that he did hung himself with the girl's bag because the purse was way too week to hold Gatti's body (they would have performed several tests on that) but till the report gets out at the end of the month, we will all have to wait, apparently. One thing for sure: This story reeks quite bad.
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Howlin Mad Missy
well, I've fallen asleep sitting on the toilet while my head was resting on the sink.....I still woke up when someone said my name. Not sure how drunk I would have to be to not put up any kind of reflex struggle if someone was trying to kill me :confused:
Why is it you remind me of Alan Partridge trying to impress some blokes with his tales of drunkenness? :p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW4yAPpEwT0
I suppose one thing we're all assuming is that there wasn't an accomplice, if indeed there was foul play. Guess we may never know and his family probably just want closure.
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Re: Gatti: A new investigation rules suicide absolutely impossible
Didn't the Brazilian papers first report that she said that 2 men followed them home and broke in when they were asleep? As far fetched as that may sound. How can 2 men break into your room and hang a guy without him waking up or without her waking up. What kind of story is that? Did the papers just make that story up or did she actually say that to the cops?
