Bute v Johnson appears done
by Richard Cloutier
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Jean Bédard of InterBox has announced that Lucian Bute (29-0-0) will defend his IBF super middleweight title against Glen Johnson (51-15-2) on November 5th. It is assumed that Bute-Johnson will be staged at the Bell Centre or at the Pepsi Coliseum in Quebec. Showtime will televise, likely paired with highlights of Mikkel Kessler's bout with WBO super middleweight champion Robert Stieglitz, which is scheduled to take place on the same day in Denmark.
Bute's team tried to secure Kessler and Kelly Pavlik for the date, but Kessler turned their offer down in favor of facing Stieglitz, and Pavlik rejected a guaranteed offer of $1.35 million dollars. Johnson was reportedly not happy with the money being offered. The two sides continued to negotiate and a deal was reached.
In his last battle, fought on June 4 in the Super 6 tournament, Johnson gave WBC champion Carl Froch all he could handle and lost by way of majority decision.
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Re: Bute v Johnson appears done
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
by Richard Cloutier
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Jean Bédard of InterBox has announced that Lucian Bute (29-0-0) will defend his IBF super middleweight title against Glen Johnson (51-15-2) on November 5th. It is assumed that Bute-Johnson will be staged at the Bell Centre or at the Pepsi Coliseum in Quebec. Showtime will televise, likely paired with highlights of Mikkel Kessler's bout with WBO super middleweight champion Robert Stieglitz, which is scheduled to take place on the same day in Denmark.
Bute's team tried to secure Kessler and Kelly Pavlik for the date, but Kessler turned their offer down in favor of facing Stieglitz, and Pavlik rejected a guaranteed offer of $1.35 million dollars. Johnson was reportedly not happy with the money being offered. The two sides continued to negotiate and a deal was reached.
In his last battle, fought on June 4 in the Super 6 tournament, Johnson gave WBC champion Carl Froch all he could handle and lost by way of majority decision.
Lucian Bute-Glen Johnson Deal Reached For Nov. 5
Probably the best fight available given that Johnson kept it interesting with Froch in his last outing, but outside of Kessler, Ward, or Froch at 168, there'st not much else out there for Bute.
Re: Bute v Johnson appears done
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
by Richard Cloutier
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Jean Bédard of InterBox has announced that Lucian Bute (29-0-0) will defend his IBF super middleweight title against Glen Johnson (51-15-2) on November 5th. It is assumed that Bute-Johnson will be staged at the Bell Centre or at the Pepsi Coliseum in Quebec. Showtime will televise, likely paired with highlights of Mikkel Kessler's bout with WBO super middleweight champion Robert Stieglitz, which is scheduled to take place on the same day in Denmark.
Bute's team tried to secure Kessler and Kelly Pavlik for the date, but Kessler turned their offer down in favor of facing Stieglitz, and Pavlik rejected a guaranteed offer of $1.35 million dollars. Johnson was reportedly not happy with the money being offered. The two sides continued to negotiate and a deal was reached.
In his last battle, fought on June 4 in the Super 6 tournament, Johnson gave WBC champion Carl Froch all he could handle and lost by way of majority decision.
Lucian Bute-Glen Johnson Deal Reached For Nov. 5
Probably the best fight available given that Johnson kept it interesting with Froch in his last outing, but outside of Kessler, Ward, or Froch at 168, there'st not much else out there for Bute.
Agreed. I'm just glad he is going to test himself instead of fighting another B level opponent as that was getting tiresome and hardly good prep for the winner of the S6.
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IamInuit
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
by Richard Cloutier
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Jean Bédard of InterBox has announced that Lucian Bute (29-0-0) will defend his IBF super middleweight title against Glen Johnson (51-15-2) on November 5th. It is assumed that Bute-Johnson will be staged at the Bell Centre or at the Pepsi Coliseum in Quebec. Showtime will televise, likely paired with highlights of Mikkel Kessler's bout with WBO super middleweight champion Robert Stieglitz, which is scheduled to take place on the same day in Denmark.
Bute's team tried to secure Kessler and Kelly Pavlik for the date, but Kessler turned their offer down in favor of facing Stieglitz, and Pavlik rejected a guaranteed offer of $1.35 million dollars. Johnson was reportedly not happy with the money being offered. The two sides continued to negotiate and a deal was reached.
In his last battle, fought on June 4 in the Super 6 tournament, Johnson gave WBC champion Carl Froch all he could handle and lost by way of majority decision.
Lucian Bute-Glen Johnson Deal Reached For Nov. 5
Probably the best fight available given that Johnson kept it interesting with Froch in his last outing, but outside of Kessler, Ward, or Froch at 168, there'st not much else out there for Bute.
Agreed. I'm just glad he is going to test himself instead of fighting another B level opponent as that was getting tiresome and hardly good prep for the winner of the S6.
Yea, I mean I'm not sure how much better Johnson is at 168 than Andrade or Bika, but I hear your point.
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IMO Johnson is a much bigger threat than Kessler or Pavlik at this point.
He has the right type of style to trouble Bute.
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Bute should win this on points IMO. He wont stop Johnson, so he has to prepare for a 12 round fight. Bute will win the fight like Froch did in the later rounds when he gets tired. Bute will have to be prepared to trade with Johnson though. I think this is an exciting fight, but Bute seriously has to start fighting some decent opposition now the super 6 is over. Johnson has just been beaten by Froch, hes an old fighter now, hes still a threat, but thats all he will be at this stage of his career. I think he should call it a day soon.
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Tam Seddon
Bute should win this on points IMO. He wont stop Johnson, so he has to prepare for a 12 round fight. Bute will win the fight like Froch did in the later rounds when he gets tired. Bute will have to be prepared to trade with Johnson though. I think this is an exciting fight, but Bute seriously has to start fighting some decent opposition now the super 6 is over. Johnson has just been beaten by Froch, hes an old fighter now, hes still a threat, but thats all he will be at this stage of his career. I think he should call it a day soon.
I don't disagree with this and as Bilbo says, Johnson consistently fights relatively competitive with the top guys, but he falls short. In losing, I thought he did well against Froch. I expect the same against Bute. Johnson is similar in style to Andrade and Bika in a way, right?
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Bute has an opportunity to do what Jones, Tarver, Dawson, Cloud, Froch etc couldnt do and thats stop the old warhorse.
Thats the only interesting thing about this fight as the winner is pretty much a foregone conclusion. Its all about whether he can get the stoppage or not. If he doesnt then he failed to make his statement and the event would have been pointless. Glen will give hima tough fight but I think even if he is stopped the feeling will be that teh ars and age eventually caught up with Glen. I think it will be a good fight to watch though.
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Rantcatrat
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Tam Seddon
Bute should win this on points IMO. He wont stop Johnson, so he has to prepare for a 12 round fight. Bute will win the fight like Froch did in the later rounds when he gets tired. Bute will have to be prepared to trade with Johnson though. I think this is an exciting fight, but Bute seriously has to start fighting some decent opposition now the super 6 is over. Johnson has just been beaten by Froch, hes an old fighter now, hes still a threat, but thats all he will be at this stage of his career. I think he should call it a day soon.
I don't disagree with this and as Bilbo says, Johnson consistently fights relatively competitive with the top guys, but he falls short. In losing, I thought he did well against Froch. I expect the same against Bute. Johnson is similar in style to Andrade and Bika in a way, right?
yes there is no doubt that he will compete, as expected against any fighter Glen is put in with. Hes as tough as the come and will give any fighter win or lose a tough 12 rounds. But he is getting older and the more he loses against the top tier fighters the more i dont want to see him fight them. There is no point, hes an old man with little to prove now. Everybody will remember Glen as a tough SOB, who always fell short in competative fights at the highest level. No doubt he has some memorable wins especially against good fighters especially Roy Jones, but at this later stage of his career I dont think he has 12 round of boxing in him at the highest level.
good luck to him though against Bute and i would love glen to win, but i just cant see it happening after his last performance against Carl. Hes facing someone whos a bit harder to hit and more slick. I dont think hes as durable as carl and maybe not as powerful, but hes a very good boxer and i think he beats Glen over 12 rounds.
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Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
Tam Seddon
Bute should win this on points IMO. He wont stop Johnson, so he has to prepare for a 12 round fight. Bute will win the fight like Froch did in the later rounds when he gets tired. Bute will have to be prepared to trade with Johnson though. I think this is an exciting fight, but Bute seriously has to start fighting some decent opposition now the super 6 is over. Johnson has just been beaten by Froch, hes an old fighter now, hes still a threat, but thats all he will be at this stage of his career. I think he should call it a day soon.
I don't disagree with this and as Bilbo says, Johnson consistently fights relatively competitive with the top guys, but he falls short. In losing, I thought he did well against Froch. I expect the same against Bute. Johnson is similar in style to Andrade and Bika in a way, right?
yes there is no doubt that he will compete, as expected against any fighter Glen is put in with. Hes as tough as the come and will give any fighter win or lose a tough 12 rounds. But he is getting older and the more he loses against the top tier fighters the more i dont want to see him fight them. There is no point, hes an old man with little to prove now. Everybody will remember Glen as a tough SOB, who always fell short in competative fights at the highest level. No doubt he has some memorable wins especially against good fighters especially Roy Jones, but at this later stage of his career I dont think he has 12 round of boxing in him at the highest level.
good luck to him though against Bute and i would love glen to win, but i just cant see it happening after his last performance against Carl. Hes facing someone whos a bit harder to hit and more slick. I dont think hes as durable as carl and maybe not as powerful, but hes a very good boxer and i think he beats Glen over 12 rounds.
I feel the same way about Johnson. The only reason I can see him staying active now is the payday, and so long as he is competitive and doesn't take a lot of damage, I can't fault him for staying in the game.
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I wonder what tehy offered Johnson for this fight? He is surely still worth a million for such a venue as Quebec. He is basically saying "I know I have to knock you out in your hometown to win." But then again, Johnson doesn't have the speed to win a lot of rounds against Bute if that's the way he wants to roll with this fight. If Johnson gets that feeling Bute wants to box.. he is going to the body early and hard. If But thinks he can inflict more damage I see Johnson using the defensive shell and taking it to him late.
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JonnyFolds
I wonder what tehy offered Johnson for this fight? He is surely still worth a million for such a venue as Quebec. He is basically saying "I know I have to knock you out in your hometown to win." But then again, Johnson doesn't have the speed to win a lot of rounds against Bute if that's the way he wants to roll with this fight. If Johnson gets that feeling Bute wants to box.. he is going to the body early and hard. If But thinks he can inflict more damage I see Johnson using the defensive shell and taking it to him late.
I have a feeling that with a guy like Glen Johnson who is constantly putting on preasure, Bute's uppercut may be the perfect weapon. Does anyone know who had the upperhand in sparring?
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Rantcatrat
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JonnyFolds
I wonder what tehy offered Johnson for this fight? He is surely still worth a million for such a venue as Quebec. He is basically saying "I know I have to knock you out in your hometown to win." But then again, Johnson doesn't have the speed to win a lot of rounds against Bute if that's the way he wants to roll with this fight. If Johnson gets that feeling Bute wants to box.. he is going to the body early and hard. If But thinks he can inflict more damage I see Johnson using the defensive shell and taking it to him late.
I have a feeling that with a guy like Glen Johnson who is constantly putting on preasure, Bute's uppercut may be the perfect weapon. Does anyone know who had the upperhand in sparring?
Good point.. But I think Johnson doesn't lean in like Carl Froch or L Andrade. He's extremely hard to hit flush because of the angles he gives (or doesn't give).
I'm sure there would have been talk about G Johnson putting it on Bute in sparring if that was the case. I do remember Bute touting Johnson for the extremely tough camp!
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Johnson hasn't won a championship fight in a long time, he always gives a good effort but comes up just short on the judges scorecards. I don't expect Bute vs Johnson, if it happens, to be any different, Johnson looks good in some of the early rounds, then Bute takes over the last half of the fight. For what it's worth, i'd rather see Bute fight Froch, Kessler or Ward, but I hope Glen gets a good payday out of this and then retires.
Re: Bute v Johnson appears done
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Originally Posted by
JonnyFolds
I wonder what tehy offered Johnson for this fight? He is surely still worth a million for such a venue as Quebec. He is basically saying "I know I have to knock you out in your hometown to win." But then again, Johnson doesn't have the speed to win a lot of rounds against Bute if that's the way he wants to roll with this fight. If Johnson gets that feeling Bute wants to box.. he is going to the body early and hard. If But thinks he can inflict more damage I see Johnson using the defensive shell and taking it to him late.
300 thousand.
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It's gonna be a great night of boxing. Kessler/Stieglitz opening up for Bute/Johnson on Showtime.
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Mars_ax
Johnson hasn't won a championship fight in a long time, he always gives a good effort but comes up just short on the judges scorecards. I don't expect Bute vs Johnson, if it happens, to be any different, Johnson looks good in some of the early rounds, then Bute takes over the last half of the fight. For what it's worth, i'd rather see Bute fight Froch, Kessler or Ward, but I hope Glen gets a good payday out of this and then retires.
THe only thing that makes me hesitant to agree with this is the Andrade fight. Johnson, even at 72 years old, is a much better fighter than Andrade. If he can handle Bute's power and a body-work, I could see him wearing Bute down and stopping him. However, Bute surely learned a ton from the first Andrade fight, so that's probably unlikely.
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I hope Johnson finds something from within and beats Bute up. I can't stand Bute with his C level opposition and faux champion routine. And now fighting an old man who is losing more than he is winning? Go on Johnson stick it to all those Romanian mooseheads.
Beat this guy up, I don't like him at all.
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Glen is the shit!!! such a great classy fighter. i hope he wins!
but father time has taken its toll a little bit i think.
the more i think about it, i think johnson was made for bute.
lets hope im wrong!!!!
then again, andrade almost ko'ed bute, so u never know!!!
if andrade can almost do it, johnson has a great chance too.
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miles
I hope Johnson finds something from within and beats Bute up. I can't stand Bute with his C level opposition and faux champion routine. And now fighting an old man who is losing more than he is winning? Go on Johnson stick it to all those Romanian mooseheads.
Beat this guy up, I don't like him at all.
This is wrong and just a shallow comment. Ask yourself: who has Bute not fought that you thought he should have at 168?
Bute's resume is better than anyone not in the S6 and prior to the S6 it was as good as anyone. It was better than Ward's by a lot. Moreover, Bute's wins over Bika and Andrade are still better than anyone not named Ward, Kessler, or Froch. In fact the best wins of Kessler or Ward are of Kessler, Ward or Froch. Ward's best win is Kessler and Kessler's best win is Froch. Outside of those wins, Ward's best was Bika and Kessler's best win was Andrade. Froch has the best resume at SMW and if he hadn't lost to Kessler he would be a p4p fighter. I have no debate there.
Also, unlike Ward, when Bute wins, he wins big. His fights are always exciting and his uppercut arguably is the best in the business. In addition, he knocks people out consistently. He packs stadiums in Montreal. Once he gets a Ward/Froch/Kessler fight under his belt, he'll be exactly what is good for boxing: exciting, a KO artist, a classy guy outside the ring, and a huge attraction in his own country.
