Rioting scum causes and solutions

Councils that bend over backwards to give hand outs to people who hav e never worked, don't want to work, and never will work. These people somehow take priority over people who work and struggle, when priority should go to people who work and contribute to the economy. In my work I had to go and visit many council residents. So many with state of the art plasma tv,s. So many tattooed, aggressive dog owning, weed smoking, wasters who refuse to engage you in English " ya get me bruv"!
National service would help, even if it got some of these low life out of bed before 11am. It couldn't make it any worse!!

Immigration is another, many migrants will share a house quite content to crash out 3 to a room and work for less. What should Jonny English do? Tell his wife and kids he must move out to live in a shared house because he is now having to compete with eastern European labour rates? In the future I predict even more because students cannot study, and therfore ambition is stifiled. They must now instead of going on to further education compete directly with migrants for mundane jobs.
This in turn will lead to top professional jobs going again to foreigners because of a skills shortage.
Our schools are an embaressment in London, and many more cities, as offstead think it a good thing if 80% of the pupils do not speak English as their first language! Speak to any teacher and ask them if it is easier to teach a class of 8 year olds if only 5 from 30 speak English as their first language! I think not. This is compounded by not allowing any disipline in school.
I was brought up in a single parent family on a council estate, and married a foreigner. I do not have any illegitimate children, never been arrested or even cautioned. Always worked and paid taxes. If I lost my job I know I would be treated like shit by the authorities, the shit on the shoes of the establishment for being White, English, law abiding, and for having a history that says I have worked all my life. Social security would laugh me out of the door

I think you make some very valid points.

A plasma TV? I'm 31, think of myself as fairly middle class these days and yet have never owned a flat screen TV or even a smart phone. Maybe in time I could get those things, my wife has a smart phone, but I don't really care about that and so stick with my 17th century model. But the point is, too many people around the world seem to think they deserve something and that they can have it now. Even notions of simply saving money have been wiped out by the credit culture and the loans industry. Governments want their growth, banks want their cut.....you must consume. The entire system is a hoax and designed to enslave people. The 20th century concept of reducing social inequality has gone the other way in this century. We reward bankers who commit crimes, we reward people who refuse to contribute, but we use the contributions of honest people to fund the heist.

Stop immigration, prosecute bankers, give teachers power, give police officers power, force parents to take responsibility (promote marriage and prosecute absent fathers), don't give housing to teenage mothers (make families carry the burden or else force abortion). I say reduce the tax burden on the middle classes as these taxes are clearly of no benefit to them. I am a socialist, but I am not a sycophantic socialist. What you have in a country like the UK is a tax drain, it is all seeping away into useless projects. Use it keep people healthy, fix the roads, keep the schools strong, but beyond that that is all that taxes should be for.

Wars? Bankers? Loafers? Immigrants? They deserve none of it and yet the disenfranchised are paying for it. And let's not forget, this is not a Tory government. They are only there because of the Lib Dems. But with Labour hovering there too, there is clearly no alternative. It's a lost cause and the only way to deal with it is for millions to vote with their feet and stampede and not that kind of youth riot stampede, but a middle eastern "we will take this no more" kind of stampede.

1. as if the army wants them!
2. any of you lot done National Service? So how the hell do you know the effect it would have?

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1. as if the army wants them!
2. any of you lot done National Service? So how the hell do you know the effect it would have?

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1. Army no.
2. But national service works a treat out here. I can say that from a lot of talking with people. Everyone must do it for 2 years, Korea is not like England. National service works.

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1. as if the army wants them!
2. any of you lot done National Service? So how the hell do you know the effect it would have?

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The saying you go I'm a boy and come out a man. You are taught to do things for yourself, you respect and understand discipline. And you're off the streets earning money and respect. Basically if you leave school with no education and can't get a job within the first year you should have to do national service.

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1. as if the army wants them!
2. any of you lot done National Service? So how the hell do you know the effect it would have?

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The saying you go I'm a boy and come out a man. You are taught to do things for yourself, you respect and understand discipline. And you're off the streets earning money and respect. Basically if you leave school with no education and can't get a job within the first year you should have to do national service.

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you've done NS?

Young women are a massive part of the problem, they should do the same kind of service, otherwise that is unfair. But better than aborting all the offspring.

An ability to marry at 16? An allowance to give birth in that environment? It all needs to be scrapped. No benefits for anyone like that.

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Young women are a massive part of the problem, they should do the same kind of service, otherwise that is unfair. But better than aborting all the offspring.

An ability to marry at 16? An allowance to give birth in that environment? It all needs to be scrapped. No benefits for anyone like that.

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I am quite Zionist in this respect. Britain is a joke right now and everyone regards it as such. It is an easy touch. Over a million did not just arrive from Noah's ark. Britain is a soft touch. It holds it's own populace to no standards and allows everything else to be moved overseas. I am one of those people that don't live there for good reason. I refuse to pay the taxes or subsidise a system that rewards fraud. And the entire thing is mass looting.

No immigration plus a national service? The UK would be better.

This is what we are dealing with ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIjnkmJhl3k

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Originally Posted by miles

Young women are a massive part of the problem, they should do the same kind of service, otherwise that is unfair. But better than aborting all the offspring.

An ability to marry at 16? An allowance to give birth in that environment? It all needs to be scrapped. No benefits for anyone like that.

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I'm quite serious, teenage mothers need to be outlawed. Abort them, the babies, not the mothers....unless they can prove that they can provide.

The whole culture is fucked personally if I was Cameron I would do the following
1 National Service (if deemed a think twat)
2 Give Council housing priority to workers over lazy, thick, chavs who refuse to work. Particularly in inner cities, Why have people commute when these lazy fuckers are lying in thee fleebitten pits (watching Trisha on their fucking plasmas while their bullmastiv adds another turd to the pile one kitchen floor!

3 Double the payment for the genuine. Unemployed for a year, this is for genuine cases who are usually workers but have genuinely been made redundant.

4 Solid Government investment with full apprenticshi

4 Solid government investment by way of full apprenticeships, and subsidising private companies to take law abiding youngsters on.

5 Make prisoners work in jail! Most of them provide a better life compared with the cat piss stinking slum they have just come from.

6 give the police more power with the message if you were hooded tops and baseball caps and look dodgy stop and search. Sounds harsh but we need solutions

7 stop immigration ( wifes foreign and thinks the same)

8 Ban rap music! It glorifies street violence. It glorifies wearing pants 3 quarters of the way down their arse and is shit!

Great heading to the thread there!

Thats the trouble, when things heat up the shit rises to the top and you have the scum left over to deal with.

Will read all this later looks very interesting, Im off to rob the rich my way work.

lol @ ban rap music :rolleyes:

Sorry i'm just laughing because you can't prohibit art, it's just not possible. Maybe you could regulate the way it is marketed as with all things on the open market (like cigarets for example)

Oh and btw, fyi, i lost my job about 25 days ago and to be fair to the state, i am amazed by the level of help/ support that is available to me so take it from someone who knows; the working class aren't overlooked.

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I'm quite serious, teenage mothers need to be outlawed. Abort them, the babies, not the mothers....unless they can prove that they can provide.

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i agree with that

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Young women are a massive part of the problem, they should do the same kind of service, otherwise that is unfair. But better than aborting all the offspring.

An ability to marry at 16? An allowance to give birth in that environment? It all needs to be scrapped. No benefits for anyone like that.

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I'm quite serious, teenage mothers need to be outlawed. Abort them, the babies, not the mothers....unless they can prove that they can provide.

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Behave you wally, your starting to sound like Hornfinger. Is THAT really your idea of putting the emphasis back on the importance of the family unit?! Some policy reform that...

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I'm quite serious, teenage mothers need to be outlawed. Abort them, the babies, not the mothers....unless they can prove that they can provide.

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i agree that the state has the right to end a life upon the assumption that a teenage Mum can't support that very same life.

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Then you would have double!! Having paid into the system

I liberal dose of castration to the sub classes wouldn't hurt* (I refuse to give them the honor of being called 'working class' as that implies that given the opportunity they would actually want to work.)

All joking aside I think that this society's problems have been bred over decades and sadly are going to take just as long to fix... that's assuming they start to turn around from here... If not LONGER.
































* Assuming we wasted good Anesthetic on them.

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Young women are a massive part of the problem, they should do the same kind of service, otherwise that is unfair. But better than aborting all the offspring.

An ability to marry at 16? An allowance to give birth in that environment? It all needs to be scrapped. No benefits for anyone like that.

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I'm quite serious, teenage mothers need to be outlawed. Abort them, the babies, not the mothers....unless they can prove that they can provide.

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Behave you wally, your starting to sound like Hornfinger. Is THAT really your idea of putting the emphasis back on the importance of the family unit?! Some policy reform that...

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It is about instilling self responsibility. You are 'mature' enough to get pregant. Now are you and your partner 'mature' enough to deal with the consequences? If not, then get rid of it. It sounds harsh, but there are an entire generation of these people out there. It's a drain and doesn't help anyone if the extended family are also benefits loafers.

Just stop it dead. No support for these people.

When I say support families, I mean to promote relationships where people build up savings and get a home which they then use to subsidise having their latest addition; namely a child.

By forcibly taking their child. How do you decide who is 'responsible' and who sets the goal post?

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By forcibly taking their child. How do you decide who is 'responsible' and who sets the goal post?

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I do

sad fact young girls get pregnant to get housed now. Once heard a mother on bus telling her daughter thats what she should do.

Scum of the earth

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By forcibly taking their child. How do you decide who is 'responsible' and who sets the goal post?

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Jobs, family support, savings, education are all factors for evaluation. I advocate pre-emptive abortion rather than needing to let them breed and waste more money on them.

For a girl to get pregnant, it only takes one boy.


But one boy can get over a life time 10's of thousands of girls pregnant.


Shotgun wedding after the first one, imo.

Interesting point Ghost, I wonder what the maximum ammount of conceptions an average guy could possibly make in a life time? :D

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Interesting point Ghost, I wonder what the maximum ammount of conceptions an average guy could possibly make in a life time? :D

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Ask CMM His other thread ,says something like 48 motions towards a conception have been successfully made in a month, so far. :)

This thread is ridiculous. Your 'solutions' are just stupid rants.

Forced abortions, forced national service, are these your serious ideas and beliefs or just angry soundbites?

How could Cameron possibly introduce forced abortions for young parents? The entire world would be up in arms, there would be worldwide condemnation and we'd become social pariah's alongside Iran and Syria. The policy would never make it past the House of Lords anyway and the public would go mental. It's simply an imbecilic comment.

Forced national service. Good luck selling that one to the people. The government has already been forced to climb down on prison reform, selling the forest, and restructuring the NHS. How in the world would they ever be able to convince today's youth, and their parents that they should give up two years of their life, in peace time, to perform national service? It simply could not happen, it would never in a million years make it past the ideas stage.

We live in a democracy yet you want dictatorial rule with our leaders ushering in controverisal and shocking policies and presumably ignoring any dissenting voices, or maybe finding ways to silence them for good.


There are many causes for the riots, and all far more complex than an pea brained, angry ranting mind can be bothered to try and comprehend.

The class divide for one. The UK has one of the lowest Gini coefficient (distribution of wealth) scores in the entire developed world. In the whole of Europe only Portugal has a more uneven distribution of income than Britain. There are whole communities of disaffected and angry youths, marginalised by society with no hope for a better future.

The breakdown of the family unit. The liberal obsession with promoting gay equality, and single parent equality has denigrated the role of marriage so much that half the people of Britain no longer even consider it meaningful or important. It's had a catastrophic impact on our society.

There are serious, longterm problems in our society and way of life that are at the heart of the problems we have today. Simply punishing the wrongdoers and trying to act more harshly and oppressively will not work. It's like just stick another band-aid on an amputed arm and expecting it to heal this time.

I agree Bilbo on all you say there, but have to call some bull shit on this... The breakdown of the family unit. The liberal obsession with promoting gay equality, and single parent equality has denigrated the role of marriage so much that half the people of Britain no longer even consider it meaningful or important. It's had a catastrophic impact on our society.

Marriages dont fail because of those reasons and families dont break down because of those reasons.Ithink the real reason behind family values being down is the lazy way out in society of allowing your children to raise themselves combined with the anger passed down from generation to generation.

Marriage fails because couples dont work at the marriage; they expect it to be something it is not, it is a partnership and if their kids see that it is not a partnership then they dont want to form one themselves with the added legal attachment.

You cant blame a governments backing of equal rights for gays to have effected mans inherent laziness to not want to be the sole responsibly of their own childrens upbringing.Its all starts at home and it all ends up out in the streets.

The rest of the excuses for why, are just that.When blame gets put onto others outside of the family then it diminishes personal responsibility even further and allows the whole thing to continue.
People take sides..then do nothing but whinge about the other side of their one eyed views. Meanwhile real love orientated people raise their children correctly and millions of these are not church goers or educational wizards they just get on with the job and do it lovingly because they love their kids.

Meanwhile : :cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1pck6qqmj8&NR=1

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I agree Bilbo on all you say there, but have to call some bull shit on this... The breakdown of the family unit. The liberal obsession with promoting gay equality, and single parent equality has denigrated the role of marriage so much that half the people of Britain no longer even consider it meaningful or important. It's had a catastrophic impact on our society.

Marriages dont fail because of those reasons and families dont break down because of those reasons.Ithink the real reason behind family values being down is the lazy way out in society of allowing your children to raise themselves combined with the anger passed down from generation to generation.

Marriage fails because couples dont work at the marriage; they expect it to be something it is not, it is a partnership and if their kids see that it is not a partnership then they dont want to form one themselves with the added legal attachment.

You cant blame a governments backing of equal rights for gays to have effected mans inherent laziness to not want to be the sole responsibly of their own childrens upbringing.Its all starts at home and it all ends up out in the streets.

The rest of the excuses for why, are just that.When blame gets put onto others outside of the family then it diminishes personal responsibility even further and allows the whole thing to continue.
People take sides..then do nothing but whinge about the other side of their one eyed views. Meanwhile real love orientated people raise their children correctly and millions of these are not church goers or educational wizards they just get on with the job and do it lovingly because they love their kids.

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I'm not knocking gay rights here or blaming it on them Andre. What I am saying is that, in the name of equality, over the last 30 years it has become progressively more unacceptable to state that the traditional nuclear family, married mother and father raising their children, in a pair bond that is supposed to be for life, is the best way to raise a family.

Thank's to equality, to suggest this discriminates against homosexuals, single parents, long term cohabiting and more casual relationships. This flippant attitude to relationships, and sex in our increasingly permissive society, has led to literally millions of families that are either completely absent of a father, or less often a mother, or incredibly commonly children within a relationship that is no more than boyfiren/girlfriend, without the longterm, serious commitment and permanence that marriage provides.

The nuclear family is the foundation of our society. Take it away and families deteriorate, and ultimately society will too.

Make no mistake our country is in a perilous state. No respect for religion, no respect for the longstanding institutions that form the bedrock of our society, monarchy, government, judical system, police etc. We have little in the way of shared culture or anything beyond tribal allegiance to football teams to unite and bind us. Sexual morals have gone down the toilet, the inevitable unwanted offspring this has brought usually aborted, or else kept in exchange for a house. Art and music culture has become increasingly decadant and vulgar.

When you look through all of human history, when societies have reached this stage they do not long survive. People have a mistaken belief in permanence, thinking that nations, institutions, beliefs etc are all fixed. But they are not. We are likely to witness the catastrophic breakdown of our, and other societies in our very lifetimes.

When society abandons its values, cultural heritage, the belief in certain moral truth's and acceptable forms of behaviour, it ceases to be a functionable society.

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I agree Bilbo on all you say there, but have to call some bull shit on this... The breakdown of the family unit. The liberal obsession with promoting gay equality, and single parent equality has denigrated the role of marriage so much that half the people of Britain no longer even consider it meaningful or important. It's had a catastrophic impact on our society.

Marriages dont fail because of those reasons and families dont break down because of those reasons.Ithink the real reason behind family values being down is the lazy way out in society of allowing your children to raise themselves combined with the anger passed down from generation to generation.

Marriage fails because couples dont work at the marriage; they expect it to be something it is not, it is a partnership and if their kids see that it is not a partnership then they dont want to form one themselves with the added legal attachment.

You cant blame a governments backing of equal rights for gays to have effected mans inherent laziness to not want to be the sole responsibly of their own childrens upbringing.Its all starts at home and it all ends up out in the streets.

The rest of the excuses for why, are just that.When blame gets put onto others outside of the family then it diminishes personal responsibility even further and allows the whole thing to continue.
People take sides..then do nothing but whinge about the other side of their one eyed views. Meanwhile real love orientated people raise their children correctly and millions of these are not church goers or educational wizards they just get on with the job and do it lovingly because they love their kids.

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Just to respond directly to this. People no longer work at marraige precisely because it has been devalued to the point where it is no longer important. It wasn't that long ago that having a divorce was seen as socially unnactable, a stigma, children out of marriage also. Nowadays people are surprised if a couple are still together after 10 years! There is simply no longer any need to work at marriages because if you aren't happy you can fuck off, get a divorce and get with somebody else, and nobody can judge you, because your personal happiness is the most important thing, and you must be true to yourself.

This is the mindset and world that the liberals have wrought.


As for blaming the government. Of course you can! They along with the media, the newspapers, philosophers, artist, film and music industries, advertising industries all shoulder the blame, as does the church for being so wishy washy and watering down family values rather than causing a clash with the new morality.

Marriage just doesn't mean much any more. It used to be a lifelong commitment to your spouse, to love, until death, and to raise a family together, secure in that unit. Amazingly, most people actually believed that and took the vows seriously once.

Now it's a nice social occasion, a romantic gesture and a fun period of your life that can be undone in a few years once the mundane realities of a humdrum life with commitments has bored you and got you restless. Then it's the right and proper thing to divorce and move on as you both have a right to be happy after all.

It's a seismic shift in human values and as society is comprised of family units, such a shift will inevitably have ramifications throughout society.

Follow the leader then :-\.

I suppose you're right, greed at the top, creates greed at the bottom which is wanting more for less effort right on down though society. Marriage doesnt survive that from either one of the partners.

I know of heaps of happily married couples and a few not married but with grown families all with very well balanced kids all very long term units and we are under a Liberal Gov. Then there is also the same good family units under Labour too, when they get in here. But Im with Chickened like he said in the other post: Loving direction from an elder usually conquers all this stuff.

Hey bilbo It's knob head soft leftist views like you have is why this place is so fucked!!

Enforced work in jail 1 to educate 2 to help pay for their keep.

Priority for workers over lazy sponging chavs

Lazy sponging chavs to work for their benefits if they cannot find work

National service for 17 to 19 year olds who cannot find alternitive employment

We were a democratic nation when the first and second world wars kicked off. It's a fucking good Job
You wasn't our primeminister when that kicked off eh!

Marrage doesn't even come into it and neither do shirtlifters it's about having a sense of responsibility!

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Hey bilbo It's knob head soft leftist views like you have is why this place is so fucked!!

Enforced work in jail 1 to educate 2 to help pay for their keep.

Priority for workers over lazy sponging chavs

Lazy sponging chavs to work for their benefits if they cannot find work

National service for 17 to 19 year olds who cannot find alternitive employment

We were a democratic nation when the first and second world wars kicked off. It's a fucking good Job
You wasn't our primeminister when that kicked off eh!

Marrage doesn't even come into it and neither do shirtlifters it's about having a sense of responsibility!

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Sorry, but it's hard to take seriously admonishments from someone whose spelling is so poor, he clearly must be part of the 60% white working class schoolboys in this country who have a writing age of seven.

You say my 'leftist' views, I'm actually conservative to the core, which means traditional values, personal responsiblity and respect for religion, monarchy, democratic government and family values.

Incidently, these are exactly the values that united us all during the period of the first and second world wars, and it is precisely the absence of these today that has created the culture we have now.

Without wishing to be too harsh on you, your post suggests to me that you are more part of the problem, a product of our society's inability to teach kids basic language and thinking skills so that they can function effectively as adults.

How long have you been married Bilbo?


How many kids?

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How long have you been married Bilbo?


How many kids?

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How long have you been married Bilbo?


How many kids?

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Was wondering if all your comments on this issue are based from personal experience or from what you read and hear in the news?