Rioting scum causes and solutions

[Kev]

How long have you been married Bilbo?


How many kids?

and your point is?

[Ghost]

How long have you been married Bilbo?


How many kids?

and your point is?

Was wondering if all your comments on this issue are based from personal experience or from what you read and hear in the news?

[Kev]

How long have you been married Bilbo?


How many kids?

and your point is?

Was wondering if all your comments on this issue are based from personal experience or from what you read and hear in the news?

Personal experience of what? Growing up in a dysfunctional family with no moral values, little education, no prospects for a better future, and bitterness and hostility towards sharing the cultural values of a society, that fails to provide the same benefits to me and my disenfranchised kind as it does the wealthier members of the population?

Or of being a married family man, with sons and daughters who have either grown up rebellious and disrespectful and took place in the riots, or else grew up healthy and respectufl, in a loving, generous and warm family enviroment and who are raised to have respect for the traditional values?

I'm just not quite sure which of those experiences you think I needed for my views to have validity?

The fact is people can be angry about the rioters and that's fine. But presenting national service, forced abortions and the universal withdrawal of wellfare for those not working is just a lot of nonsense that could never actually happen.

You want to stop people opting out of society and sharing society's values, then you need to close the gap of wealth distribution, which is one of the widest in the whole developed world. You need to raise kids that can read, write, are trained for the workplace, have stable homes, with supporting parents and who have things to be proud about. Self worth and hope for the future is essential in being a productive person.

Instilling these things goes deeper than just relying on the personal ability of indivudal parents. Individuals follow society, cultural norms and values are passed down from the top and filter through to the whole population.

The greed of the looters isn't confined to the working class, it's endemic at the very top. Mp's fiddling expenses, bankers bonuses, illegal hacking, the whole our society's morality, from top to bottom has been fucked up. It's universal and the system is broken, to soley blame individual rioters and looters is simply blinkered.

Today's youth are the crop society has sown. When a lot of them grow up rebellious, uncaring, with no respect for law and values, then just like in nature, it's the farmers fault. If somebody has a crop of terrible potato's then it's not the potato's fault but the conditions in which they were grown. If you want to only punish the product then you are a fool.

[Ghost]

How long have you been married Bilbo?


How many kids?

and your point is?

Was wondering if all your comments on this issue are based from personal experience or from what you read and hear in the news?

Personal experience of what? Growing up in a dysfunctional family with no moral values, little education, no prospects for a better future, and bitterness and hostility towards sharing the cultural values of a society, that fails to provide the same benefits to me and my disenfranchised kind as it does the wealthier members of the population?

Or of being a married family man, with sons and daughters who have either grown up rebellious and disrespectful and took place in the riots, or else grew up healthy and respectufl, in a loving, generous and warm family enviroment and who are raised to have respect for the traditional values?

I'm just not quite sure which of those experiences you think I needed for my views to have validity?

The fact is people can be angry about the rioters and that's fine. But presenting national service, forced abortions and the universal withdrawal of wellfare for those not working is just a lot of nonsense that could never actually happen.

You want to stop people opting out of society and sharing society's values, then you need to close the gap of wealth distribution, which is one of the widest in the whole developed world. You need to raise kids that can read, write, are trained for the workplace, have stable homes, with supporting parents and who have things to be proud about. Self worth and hope for the future is essential in being a productive person.

Instilling these things goes deeper than just relying on the personal ability of indivudal parents. Individuals follow society, cultural norms and values are passed down from the top and filter through to the whole population.

The greed of the looters isn't confined to the working class, it's endemic at the very top. Mp's fiddling expenses, bankers bonuses, illegal hacking, the whole our society's morality, from top to bottom has been fucked up. It's universal and the system is broken, to soley blame individual rioters and looters is simply blinkered.

Hmmm, testy today.

Did not say your view(s) were invalid.

Just asked a question. Seems like you have a "hate on" for me. (That's Cool)

Mostly I have stayed out this thread, only the odd joke or comment.

You can go back to your rantings now.

[Andre]

How long have you been married Bilbo?


How many kids?

and your point is?

Was wondering if all your comments on this issue are based from personal experience or from what you read and hear in the news?

Personal experience of what? Growing up in a dysfunctional family with no moral values, little education, no prospects for a better future, and bitterness and hostility towards sharing the cultural values of a society, that fails to provide the same benefits to me and my disenfranchised kind as it does the wealthier members of the population?

Or of being a married family man, with sons and daughters who have either grown up rebellious and disrespectful and took place in the riots, or else grew up healthy and respectufl, in a loving, generous and warm family enviroment and who are raised to have respect for the traditional values?

I'm just not quite sure which of those experiences you think I needed for my views to have validity?

The fact is people can be angry about the rioters and that's fine. But presenting national service, forced abortions and the universal withdrawal of wellfare for those not working is just a lot of nonsense that could never actually happen.

You want to stop people opting out of society and sharing society's values, then you need to close the gap of wealth distribution, which is one of the widest in the whole developed world. You need to raise kids that can read, write, are trained for the workplace, have stable homes, with supporting parents and who have things to be proud about. Self worth and hope for the future is essential in being a productive person.

Instilling these things goes deeper than just relying on the personal ability of indivudal parents. Individuals follow society, cultural norms and values are passed down from the top and filter through to the whole population.

The greed of the looters isn't confined to the working class, it's endemic at the very top. Mp's fiddling expenses, bankers bonuses, illegal hacking, the whole our society's morality, from top to bottom has been fucked up. It's universal and the system is broken, to soley blame individual rioters and looters is simply blinkered.

Today's youth are the crop society has sown. When a lot of them grow up rebellious, uncaring, with no respect for law and values, then just like in nature, it's the farmers fault. If somebody has a crop of terrible potato's then it's not the potato's fault but the conditions in which they were grown. If you want to only punish the product then you are a fool.

Who made you King then?

[Andre]

How long have you been married Bilbo?


How many kids?

and your point is?

Bilbo you've forgotten to put a capital A at the start of a sentence.

You see,right there,big part of the problem, punctuation / education.

What next, your spelling? Next you'll be thinking people should really have to put in back to society and pay for their own actions and weight. God for forbid.

[Kev]

How long have you been married Bilbo?


How many kids?

and your point is?

Bilbo you've forgotten to put a capital A at the start of a sentence.

You see,right there,big part of the problem, punctuation / education.

What next, your spelling? Next you'll be thinking people should really have to put in back to society and pay for their own actions and weight. God for forbid.

Education is critical actually. Did you know that in the UK 60% of working class white 14 year olds have a reading age of 7? What hope is there of the majority of these kid's having succesful careers?

30% of the UK's total wealth belongs to the top 5% of the population. It's one of the worst distributions of wealth in the developed world, Greece scores higher than us.

Many of the children in inner cities grow up with no father at all, or in dysfunctional, often violent and drug addicted households.

Prison holds no fear because for many it's actually prefarable to life on the streets.

The thing is people like to moan and bitch and make clueless uninformed demands that are just pathetic when you actually look into the problems.

[Andre]

Bilbo, you think a form of Communism to be the answer then?

[Kev]

Fucking hell no. Communism is an awful repressive system.

I'd like to go back to the values and practices of the pre war years, and maybe the frugal 50's.

Today's morality is all about personal happiness rather than personal responsibiltiy and it has fucked everybody up, myself included.

I'd love to live in a less permissive society where social norms were more virtuous and wholesome.

Today there are no boundries, not just for the youth, but for anyone. It has messed us all up and reduced the happiness of most people in the Western world.

Possesions and the fufillment of our desires doesn't make us happy, but our society revolves around those two things and we are all contaminated by it.

[Gandalf]

Bilbo, I like the points you are arguing in this thread. They strangely align with my own.

Clearly it's a shambles from top to bottom and more than ad hoc proposals are needed.

[Andre]

Fucking hell no. Communism is an awful repressive system.

I'd like to go back to the values and practices of the pre war years, and maybe the frugal 50's.

Today's morality is all about personal happiness rather than personal responsibiltiy and it has fucked everybody up, myself included.

I'd love to live in a less permissive society where social norms were more virtuous and wholesome.

Today there are no boundries, not just for the youth, but for anyone. It has messed us all up and reduced the happiness of most people in the Western world.

Possesions and the fufillment of our desires doesn't make us happy, but our society revolves around those two things and we are all contaminated by it.

True.

When things heat up, you'll find that the crap separates out from the rest of society and deals in hatred /greed etc and the good will continue or up their great work; this landscape allows for action on both ends of the scale and it is what will sort us all out.