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At their peaks, Lewis knocks him out and it would be an easy fight. Two or three rounds.
Bowe should have fought him early on, right after he beat Holyfield. Bowe was at his peak then, and Lewis didn't reach his until Stewart taught him a little about how to fight. That little would've been enough to beat Bowe, who willfully forgot anything Futch tried to teach him.
Did Bowe really even have a prime or mainly 2 or 3 good showings?
Bowe didn't want none of that. I don't think it would be a easy blow out by any means but I can see Lewis stopping him, mentally as much physical.
As has already been said I think Bowe would have had a chance straight after his first fight with Holyfield but after that time Bowe got worse and Lewis got better and better.
Lennox Lewis was more sloppy in the early 90's, and probably would of been beaten by a prime Riddick Bowe who was at his peak then. It really depends of when they met a mid 90's fat lazy Riddick Bowe would of been taken apart, but the early 90's Riddick Bowe has a chance.
Bowe is 1 of those guys who, in his really real prime, would be extremely tough to beat even for a prime Lennox. He had a short window of about a year and a half where he was literally untouchable. Lewis may not have been able to take him during this time. Lewis would not have the stamina to go with such a big young strong man past about 6 rounds. I say if Bowe could match Lewis jab for jab and even harrass him wth a few good overhand rights during the first 3 or 4 rounds, it would exhaust Lewis and break his rhythm. Bowe would also play rough and rough up Lewis I think Lewis being the dirty fighter he was would also play rough and we could see some real fireworks here, points deducted, Lewis would surely lose points for headlocking and throwing the uppercut, and Bowe for hitting behind the head. I think Bowe takes him out really late like round 9 or 10 in a knockdown donnybrook sort of like Foreman/Lyle.
Got to take Lennox in this one big daddy will be in BIG trouble around the 10th round .
A well trained motivated Lewis is a dangerous fighter. In his prime Bowe was a good infighter. He always had lapses in concentration. Lewis did twice. He came back motivated each time and won in text book fashion never deviating from his game plan. Bowe fought as a smaller man would fight and took unnecessary punches. Bowe was lazy and his rise in weight between fights confirmed this. Lewis was methodical, quick and adapted well and yes so did Bowe when survival was necessary. Golata never should have beaten Bowe but he ended his career with all those low blows forgetting he was tall and had a large reach. Lewis toward the end of his career fared better than Bowe. Let's not forget that Lewis beat Bowe as an amateur and Bowe didn't seem like he was in a hurry to face Lewis years later as a pro, prime or no prime. I wonder who got the WBC belt out of the trash that day.
Lennox by KO in 5
Bowe was talented but flawed and if Evander rock him then Lewis can...OR we could just use the precedent of Lennox whipping Bowe's ass in the amateurs.
Bowe wouldn't beat most All-Time Greats....Bowe-Tyson prime for prime would be interesting as their styles are perfect for each other.
Bowe is one of those fighters who never fought big punchers because his team knew he had a dodgy chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Lewis would have won inside 3 rounds.
Lewis better legacy and career, Bowe prime was beating Holyfield and after the Holyfield defeat where he beat B rated fighters with unbeaten records. Lewis was almost unstoppable after he joined up with Manny Stewart. Shame their primes did not cross but got to go with Lewis. Bowe's best chance was when he was with Pepe and struggling against Bruno, Tucker and losing to McCall. Oliver did him a favour because Bowe would have beaten him as they were due to fight next.
I think Bowe would have trouble with Morrison, Ruddock, and Mercer. Hell even Lewis had trouble with Mercer!
I agree with most here, Lewis by KO
Its one of the fights I am most disappointed never happend. I actually think Bowe was very good, but remember how much bigger he was than Holyfield and those fights were pretty even. If Holyfield and Bowe were the same size, Holyfiled would've whooped him imo. (Same goes for Holyfield against Lewis)
It's hard to pick a winner of a 1992 match between Lewis and Bowe, I think Bowe was much further along at that stage, but I also think his chin may have been checked by Lewis and he could've been KOed. I think Bowe was worried about Lewis as well.
They had a stand off after Bowe had just beaten Holyfield and should have met nest. The fact that Bowe threw the belt in the bin said it all rather than fight Lennox.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Yep, agree with DarkLord here, Lewis 3-5rd KO, to accurate, too strong, too quick for Bowe. It would resemble the fight with Grant in my eye's, Lewis simply too good in his prime for anyone in that era!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlBowe is one of those fighters who never fought big punchers because his team knew he had a dodgy chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Lewis would have won inside 3 rounds.
yes the fans were robbed of this one for sure
I honestly see Lewis having a very easy night and stopping a weary,nearly blinded Bowe around the 7th round
no way. Bowe was never smoked by anybody. Lewis was smoked TWICE with one punch by 2 nobodies. How can DLA say Bowe's chin was dodgy, when in fact it was Lewis with the dodgy chin?
He was knocked down by Holyfield (not exactly known as a big heavyweight puncher)Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
knocked down isnt SMOKED ICE COLD like Lewis was twice. and DLA thrice....:lickish:
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
My point is Bowe didnt fight many punchers , hence why he was not SMOKED as you put it.
Andrew Golota hit bowe at will , and dropped him many times , and yes Lewis was beaten by KO twice.
But I dont remember me saying Bowe had no chance, I just said i thought Lewis would win easily by KO.
A for me being smoked THRICE im not sure what you are talking about.
"thrice" means Im counting the time you said "his corner knew". I don't think his corner ducked anyone but Lewis. So OK that would be once not twice. Jamaicans Do smoke pot, so you could have said "his corner was on ICE" rather than that "dodgy" addjective you used. I agree with you that between the two of them once, one could consider the one of them "thrice", but not in the way I meant it exactly. I gave you a thumbs up, I mean cool click for your last post. When I previously said you were smoked thrice I didnt mean anything by it.
Lewis manhandled Bowe in the amateurs I doubt the pros would have been any different especially after 1 war with Holyfield after which I think Bowe was pretty much done, the fight took that much out of him.
This was a fascinating match up. Bowe had good power, a good jab, better mobility than lennox, equal size, and a great uppercut on the inside. Lewis, at times, showed great power, especially with his right. Lennox also had a great jab and was a great ring general, especially after Manny Steward starting working with him. Both fought well against other big men, and I think it is fair to say that Bowe had the better chin. To me Bowe's prime ended in 1993, as he was never as great as he was when he beat Evander in 92. Lennox had a much longer prime, which probably ended around '01, when Rahman blasted him. The intangible in this fight is whether Bowe could get over his mental block with Lennox, and fight at his best. If that happens, I can see Riddick using his mobility and jab to set up a late stoppage over a broken down Lewis. I suspect that Bowe would have let the pressure and memory of their previous fight get to him however, and Lennox would win by late stoppage or UD. Either way, I think it would have been a great fight.
[QUOTE=BIG H;1004623] If Holyfield and Bowe were the same size, Holyfiled would've whooped him imo. (Same goes for Holyfield against Lewis)
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Not to be pedantic or anything, but you could say that of practically any competitive heavyweight fight where there's been a good discrepancy in size. If Holyfield was as big as Lewis and Bowe yet still built and able to fight the way he was he would've whipped most grizzly bears ffs.
As for the fight I agree with most posters on this thread, they really peaked at different times and it may never have had the makings of a really great matchup given that. Lewis was definetly nowhere near the force he became in the early 90's, his balance wasn't great and he didn't pump his jab the same way. I think Bowe would've been able to get to him as a much better infighter at that point. By the time Lewis had really become a great HW Bowe was fat and getting beat up by Golota. To truly pit them at their peaks would've been great to see, I cant think of two guys that size with more athletecism between them.
[QUOTE=p4pking;1004813]How often have the 2 best heavyweights in the world at any one time been 30 pounds different in size? This was an exception imo. Take Holyfield's skills and give him an extra 30 pounds and he beats Bowe. A good big guy always beats a good little guy ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Not true. Marciano beat plenty of bigger guys than him.
I said 'GOOD'Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
[QUOTE=BIG H;1004829]Well I'm sure that has been the case before, but I'll give you that it is rare. My point though, was that if you take ANY good HW throughout history and "give him an extra 30 lbs", he'd be an ATG. It's next to impossible for a man the size of Bowe or Lewis to move like Holyfield or Tyson did etc. You post as though there is no advantage whatsoever to being a smaller HW. What you're arguing is really no different than my saying give Mayweather an extra 20 lbs and he'd whoop Carl Froch. Like no shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingHow often have the 2 best heavyweights in the world at any one time been 30 pounds different in size? This was an exception imo. Take Holyfield's skills and give him an extra 30 pounds and he beats Bowe. A good big guy always beats a good little guy ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
<<I said 'GOOD' >>
Joe Louis, JJ Walcott, Ezzard Charles, Don Cockell, Roland LaStaarza, Archie Moore........yeah, the word "good" usually comes to mind with them.
Yeh and Trevor Berbwick beat Muhammad Ali - does that tell us anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Charles, Louis and Moore were all shells of themselves by the time The Rock got to them. La Starza was Marciano's best opponent imo, and probably gave him the hardest fight too.
I don't know about that, look at his one punch KO of Buster Douglas. Or his stoppage over Mike Tyson, and he was the first man to drop iron chinned Ray Mercer.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HHe was knocked down by Holyfield (not exactly known as a big heavyweight puncher)Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Lewis inside 5 rounds.