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Round 3 starts at 1.45. How do you score it?
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Round 3 starts at 1.45. How do you score it?
6 views and everyone runs from scoring one round :confused: come on its not a whole fight?
I had Castillo win it.
Mayweather all day long. Apart from 1 nice bit of work from Castillo with about 30sec go when Floyd was against ropes, that round was basically hit and not get hit from Mayweather. Good movement with lots of connecting jabs, controlled the round almost the whole time. Imo you are not scoring the round as a 3 minute slice of action if you give that round to Castillo. I totally disagree with Lederman scoring the round to Castillo.
Good for you but I had Castillo up by one shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_C
Turn the sound off you cant listen to these commenters they mention a body jab by Floyd that doesnt even contact as castillo is going backwards and checks it. Also one of them says "nice triple combination by Castillo; where none of them make contact at all.
I still cant see as many of Floyds hits making contact as you have JC but thats why this fight gets fans at odds and this is the round thats the hardest to score in my estimation.
So lets all pick it apart ;D .
Good work.
Well I keep looking at it :-\
Even between 3.50 and 4.02 Or from 52 down to 40 on the time clock, right after Floyd slips Castillos reaching left jab over his right shoulder.. right then (where Floyd is at his busiest in the whole round; he isnt making contact his fist is left hung in air a lot you can see it even on the pause button) but eventually he gets one low jab in to score and that is his busiest moment in the whole round.
I agree Floyd is moving and evasive and Castillo is made to miss a lot too, its a very hard round to score. I dont think there is even a scoring shot for the first 29 seconds in the round, even that very first jab of Floyds that you hear loud, is off the glove as Castillo is even moving backwards and leaves his arm out to check it.
Floyd moves better ill give him that.
It could have been a 10-10 round but if I had to give it to somebody, it's castillo who was the aggressor and landed a nice jab and right hand..
I tried to score it, but all I could think about was what an consistently god-awful commentator George Foreman was.
both guys were hitin lots of air and were equalish in connects I feel, but floyd was obviously much more defensive and castillo the agressor and in such a close round id tend to side with the agressor.
I see the round as almost even with a slight favor on Castillo for aggressiveness. But when Castillo hit Floyd at the 30 sec. mark with what I think was the most effective punch in that round, I score that round for Castillo. I don't have any issue with that round being scored even but Floyd definitely did not win that round.
Ive not looked at any othe the other comments... and i had the sound off but neither guy really connected very much, Castillo was the the fighter coming forward but Mayweather looked happy and in control of everything that was happening. If i wasn't allowed to score 10-10 I would maybe lean towards Mayweather. Reasons being no significant punches and although Castillo was coming forward I dont think he really managed to put Mayweather under any meaningful pressure and Mayweather movement and defence was probably more impressive.
Thanks for all your inputs.
This is the hardest round to score out of the most controversial fight.
Keep em coming gents :cool: its very interesting.
10-10, but I believe more close rounds should be scored this way. A 10-9 should require more than a slight advantage, like winning a tennis game/set requires a 2 point/game differential.
This is a very underutilized option. For all practical purposes, if you do not get a KD but nonetheless dominate your opponent for one round, all he has to do is squeak out the next one for the fight to be even. In the event of a close round, Boxing judges should default on 10-10 in order to mitigate against this unfair scenario. A wider usage of the 10-8 would also help.
Personally I'd score it even 10/ 10. But If I had to give it to one fighter I'd slightly give it to Castillo. He landed to better shots, especially over the 2nd half of the round, but Mayweathers ring genralship was awesome, so yeah really hard round to score!
nothing definitive happened in that round. mayweather landed double the punches, jabs to the body and head, but had no power on any of them. castillo landed about 5 power punches...which connected but caused no harm. floyd showed great footwork and ring generalship while castillo chased him around the ring the best he could and landed a few times when he was able to get floyd's back on the ropes. floyd grabbed or pushed off while castillo tried hard to get some infighting done.
i guess it depends on what you like in a fight.
do you watch boxing to see punches or pirouettes? i know what i like.
Well it is a pro fight, its not an amateur one that scores touches and its not a dance contest either ;D.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
It's also not a bull versus a matador :lickish:Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreWell it is a pro fight, its not an amateur one that scores touches and its not a dance contest either ;D.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I thought it was a clear round for Mayweather.
Besides a few shots on the ropes at the end of the round, Castillo had no success where Mayweather controlled the tempo, made Castillo miss and popped Castillo with jabs to the body and head the whole round.
I scored it for mayweather, superior movement and pot shotting. Castillo was agressive but I wouldnt of called it effective agression.
Castillo was aggressive but didn't land much at all until 30sec left and floyd did nothing other than move around the ring really. Very very difficult to score! the way i have to score a round like that is give it to who landed the harder punches, it's a pro fight not amateur so tip tap jabs (which is all PBF threw) don't count for much unless the other guy eats them for 3minutes with no response.
I give it to Castillo for his work in the last 30 it was 10-10 up to that point.
What was the scoring from the judges for that round? Does anyone know?
Floyd Mayweather Jr clearly.
Clearly? how so?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Floyd Mayweather Jr controlled a majority of the round with clean effective jabs.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaClearly? how so?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
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Originally Posted by ICB
Although i see it different it just shows why boxing is such an intriguing sport, everybody has a different opinion.
What may seem clear cut to 1 person can seem the opposite to another depending on how events are interpreted. Love it!
Me too, love it.Quote:
Originally Posted by armyashQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Although i see it different it just shows why boxing is such an intriguing sport, everybody has a different opinion.
What may seem clear cut to 1 person can seem the opposite to another depending on how events are interpreted. Love it!
Reason i put this here is because I read the comments under the whole fight on utube and its 50/50 and many are calling others out and all that crap, but Floyds fans of course see it different than his detractors. Still there are real fight fans who dont give a fuck who wins (may the best man win) and they are slightly split on it too it seems.
I see Floyd hitting air with most of the high jabs or checked on Castillos gloves and all but two body jabs are checked by Castillo either moving back already bodily or caught by the elbow. I see him as the aggressor and I see him counter with harder shots on two different close engagements between the two.
I do see Floyd as more skillful and fluid in movement being evasive under attack, but Castillo scores the harder connecting shots and he is the champion defending and he is the hunter in the fight.
And good on you all for having the balls to put your calls on the line.
Now all we need is to score the whole fight again to real get a debate going, or shall we not do that old chesnut again ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre
For the record, Floyd fought with an injured shoulder and still fought close enough to get the benefit of a doubt..
I did yesterday 112 /114 Castillo.
My old man recons the same he is 84 and been around alot of rings since his teens he doesnt care who he is watching he just takes every fight right at face value .
Funny after fights he asks who they are and what they have done :cool:
Pretty much my thoughts. Neither fighter was able to be that effective... it was pretty much tit for tat in what little action there was.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
10-10, but if I had to give it one way or the other I guess Castillo gets it for trying to press the action more than Floyd did.... not that either did much!
I didnt know that. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Not that it should of made a difference to the score.
Yep, makes no difference at all but I just wanted to point out the fact that Floyd fought well through adversity which goes unnoticed when speaking of this bout. Castillo deserves all the praise but at the same time, I think he fought as well as he did due to FLoyd's injured shoulders.. He was basically fighting a 70% of Floyd and the rematch proved just that.. If castillo somehow had Floyd's number and knew how to fight him, then the rematch should have been just as competitive but it wasn't even close so I think the first fight had more to do with Floyd's injury more than anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreI didnt know that. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Not that it should of made a difference to the score.
BTW I saw your scorecard and it's more than respectable..
I dont want to come across as an arse because you seen a decent enough chap Andre, but what has the bit in bold got to do with anything? Whenever I hear anything about that sort of way of scoring a fight (youve got to take the title from the champ sort of chat) I have to call in to question the opinion of the scorer. What has Castillo being the champ got to do with anything in scoring the fight. The belt is vacant upon the first bell sounding.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreMe too, love it.Quote:
Originally Posted by armyashQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Although i see it different it just shows why boxing is such an intriguing sport, everybody has a different opinion.
What may seem clear cut to 1 person can seem the opposite to another depending on how events are interpreted. Love it!
Reason i put this here is because I read the comments under the whole fight on utube and its 50/50 and many are calling others out and all that crap, but Floyds fans of course see it different than his detractors. Still there are real fight fans who dont give a fuck who wins (may the best man win) and they are slightly split on it too it seems.
I see Floyd hitting air with most of the high jabs or checked on Castillos gloves and all but two body jabs are checked by Castillo either moving back already bodily or caught by the elbow. I see him as the aggressor and I see him counter with harder shots on two different close engagements between the two.
I do see Floyd as more skillful and fluid in movement being evasive under attack, but Castillo scores the harder connecting shots and he is the champion defending and he is the hunter in the fight.
Castillo. Floyd was reactionary fo the most part and punching from the backseat. Pick your poison. Castillo had few long rights near end and actually lead a few earlier, I also give him a nod for inside punching while they were tied together. Thought he worked harder
Pretty well everyone who fights Mayweather works harder though, that's part of his game. Agree with most of the posts in this thread, if ever a 10-10 round is deserved this one fits. Giving one man the nod really speaks more to personal taste than any other factor imo(which lead me to first think Mayweather, in truth), it was a very uneventful round compared to any other in the fight.
The reason I wrote it is because the people who are siding with Floyd specially on utube over the whole fight, seem to consider him the champion here and so he can coast. He came for the title not the other way around. It doesnt effect my scoring I wouldnt give the nod just for it either; its a comment covering what makes up a small percentage of how people think though.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_CI dont want to come across as an arse because you seen a decent enough chap Andre, but what has the bit in bold got to do with anything? Whenever I hear anything about that sort of way of scoring a fight (youve got to take the title from the champ sort of chat) I have to call in to question the opinion of the scorer. What has Castillo being the champ got to do with anything in scoring the fight. The belt is vacant upon the first bell sounding.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreMe too, love it.Quote:
Originally Posted by armyashQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Although i see it different it just shows why boxing is such an intriguing sport, everybody has a different opinion.
What may seem clear cut to 1 person can seem the opposite to another depending on how events are interpreted. Love it!
Reason i put this here is because I read the comments under the whole fight on utube and its 50/50 and many are calling others out and all that crap, but Floyds fans of course see it different than his detractors. Still there are real fight fans who dont give a fuck who wins (may the best man win) and they are slightly split on it too it seems.
I see Floyd hitting air with most of the high jabs or checked on Castillos gloves and all but two body jabs are checked by Castillo either moving back already bodily or caught by the elbow. I see him as the aggressor and I see him counter with harder shots on two different close engagements between the two.
I do see Floyd as more skillful and fluid in movement being evasive under attack, but Castillo scores the harder connecting shots and he is the champion defending and he is the hunter in the fight.
I scored it Castillio one clean hard professional style hit more than Floyd on this round, fuck the dancing.;D
I've still had to watch it a number of times cause you think ohh maybe Ive missed something there :-\ but I have him in front, every time Ive watched it even using the pause button to see if theres decent contact.. but hey that just me.
Its funny because the top comment on one of the series in this fight on uutbe says Anyone who scores round three for Castillio doesnt know shit about boxing and it has the most thumbs up of all comments.
Got me thinking :cool: , (these are fan boys posting) but not always, its fascinating just how wide some other people see things!
Thought here was a good place to test the water without emotion or fanaticism :).
It really is unfair if a round that looks like a draw is given to the boxer because he is the champion. But this is how they do it in boxing, isn't it? You have to beat the champ to be the champ because in a draw the defending champion retains the belt. So the belt being vacant upon the first bell sounding does not apply.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_CI dont want to come across as an arse because you seen a decent enough chap Andre, but what has the bit in bold got to do with anything? Whenever I hear anything about that sort of way of scoring a fight (youve got to take the title from the champ sort of chat) I have to call in to question the opinion of the scorer. What has Castillo being the champ got to do with anything in scoring the fight. The belt is vacant upon the first bell sounding.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreMe too, love it.Quote:
Originally Posted by armyashQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Although i see it different it just shows why boxing is such an intriguing sport, everybody has a different opinion.
What may seem clear cut to 1 person can seem the opposite to another depending on how events are interpreted. Love it!
Reason i put this here is because I read the comments under the whole fight on utube and its 50/50 and many are calling others out and all that crap, but Floyds fans of course see it different than his detractors. Still there are real fight fans who dont give a fuck who wins (may the best man win) and they are slightly split on it too it seems.
I see Floyd hitting air with most of the high jabs or checked on Castillos gloves and all but two body jabs are checked by Castillo either moving back already bodily or caught by the elbow. I see him as the aggressor and I see him counter with harder shots on two different close engagements between the two.
I do see Floyd as more skillful and fluid in movement being evasive under attack, but Castillo scores the harder connecting shots and he is the champion defending and he is the hunter in the fight.
True.the challenger doesnt exactly have to knock out the champion to win but he must be very convincing to get the benefit of the scoring.
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Originally Posted by Andre
Tough round to score, but with watching only one time I would give it to Castillo only because of his aggression and I think he landed the only solid punch of the round.
Doesn't mean I'm right, it's just what I seen in the one viewing of it which is the same as the judges get to see it. I think the uppercut Castillo landed in rnd 4 was better then anything landed in rnd 3