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This is pretty straightforward as I can see it. EITHER...
Cortez told them to box on or whatever and so Victor just didnt defend himself cos he was trying to say sorry and got done. Floyd wins by KO.
OR
Cortez hadnt told them to continue boxing and thus Mayweather should be DQ'd. Ortiz wins by DQ.
Anyone care to add?
Cortez is incompetent, but by the letter of the law you can't dq Mayweather. It was pathetic though, Floyd should be much better than that.
cortez has no idea whats going on anymore, but what mayweather did was legal
i dont know if the clock was still stopped tho
I just saw a replay of the whole thing actually. Cortez does say either 'Lets Go' or 'Box On'. So Ortiz just fucked up. Mayweather did a bit of a bitch move in a sense BUT Ortiz had just headbutted him so im kinda with Floyd in a way. Either way its a legit KO by the rules.
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Originally Posted by J_C
im pretty sure at the very least cortez had already called for the clock to be restarted (unless he forgot to stop it in the first place)
i think the clock being stopped would be the only scenario that would possibly change the result, but even then it would probably just be changed to a NC
ortiz had tried headbutting about 4 times before that tho, so he brought it upon himslef, if u wanna headbutt learn to be shady about it
It was some of the worst conduct I have ever seen. I want to change my sig from 'I'm gay' to 'I'm a total cunt'. That was disgusting and I am fuming right now.
Cortez and Mayweather once again team up and spoil the entire boxing world.
And Floyds attitude with Merchant was appalling. Floyd needs more than a slap and at least 10 more headbutts. The best way to get him is to take his purse.
The incident needs to be investigated and the result possibly overturned. Cortez simply stood and watched. He should at least have given Ortiz time to recover. It was a cheap shot and nothing more.
What a fucking farce! :mad:
Ortiz butts Floyd.
Cortez calls TIME TIME to stop the clock.
Docks a point from Ortiz.
Says 'Lets Go' whilst motioning both fighters in with his hands.
Ortiz apologises and hugs Floyd whilst Cortez is looking towards the timekeeper.
Floyd knocks Ortiz the fuck out whilst Cortez is still looking at the timekeeper.
Im genuinely not sure Ortiz ever heard Cortez saying Lets go, I think he was too busy thinking about apologising and saying sorry to Floyd etc. Why else would he turn to Cortez after the 1st punch Floyd lands?
Because he was gobsmacked that he had been sucker punched, he looked to the ref to jump in. Cortez stood there doing nothing but gawping and then counted the poor sod out after getting another one.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_C
Going off on Merchant was disgraceful imo. He's a really old man and that probably caused him a lot of stress.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Dont forget the cheap shots Ortiz got in after the butt.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_C
What a piece of Shit Floyd Mayweather is, what a sucker punch, the ref never even told them to box and he pulled that Shit. I'm disappointed at ORTIZ that he hugged him after the fight, he should of beat him over the head with a chair.
LARRY MERCHANT said if he was 50 years younger he'd kick his Ass. What another black eye for boxing, Mayweather should be stripped of everything and banned for life for what he pulled. I would love to see PACQUIAO kill that piece of Shit. COTEZ didn't tell them to box, he was looking at the corner and you could see his shock when he looked back at the fighters.
I saw an attempted butt but not a successful one. I could be wrong but I didn't see it land.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_C
And it isn't the first time Floyd has had a go at him. Merchant is fair IMO and will ask the questions, but evasive little Floyd doesn't like it, so just gets nasty. Merchant's response was heroic though. Poor old chap, I hope he is able to unwind okay tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboGoing off on Merchant was disgraceful imo. He's a really old man and that probably caused him a lot of stress.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
As Cortez said continue, Floyd wins without breaking any rule... Simple...
But i'm thinking even if Cortez didn't call time in, it still wouldn't be instant DQ for Floyd and the fight handed to Ortiz... I would have thought that if it went different and Ortiz got up after a floyd punch outside time, then Floyd would have lost a point as well.. Not been instantly disqualified...
But the fight was stopped because the punch KO'd him.. If it was an illegal punch, the best it would be is a No Contest maybe? ie it's not an act that gets you instantly DQ.... punching before a ref says box.?
The butt definitely landed. Floyd had a bleeding mouth from it.
Ortiz and Merchant got what they deserved. Poetic justice.
I think Ortiz got what he deserved stop throwing headbutts and protect yourself at all times.
Unless Cortez called a break (which I didn't see or hear) Floyd did nothing against the rules.
Exactly. Ortiz' foul was blatant but Floyds wasnt because they were punches. Wasnt his fault Ortiz wasnt defending himself. The ref is to blame. So is Ortiz but Floyd is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_C
It was a good performance from Floyd up til then but then he gets booed and Larry puts a downer on the fight just like he did with Lewis vs Vitali. He never gives credit to guys he wants to see lose.
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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
First of all what Floyd did was totally legal, Cortez told them to box on and then remembered to signal the clock back in. That is Cortez's fault certainly not Floyds. Secondly how can anyone have a go at Floyd for taking a cheap shot (which was legal) after Ortiz had just clearly butted him?
Frustration had set in and Ortiz knew he was getting picked apart so he resorted to a Tysonesque approach which backfired big time.
In a similar situation, Michael Spinks ko'd Eddie Davis years ago...may've been Johnnie Davis. Good bit of show biz with Merchant; I think he took it in good humor. Since Ali turned an honorable sport into pro wrestling, all that stuff is fair game. I think that the only guy that did nothing wrong was Mayweather.(And Larry.)
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Originally Posted by miles
I'm only replying to your post in regards to Mayweather's conduct towards Larry Merchant, but Merchant has been very disrespectful to Mayweather for quite a while. I'm pretty sure many people on here have said he's a drunken fool before. Besides regardless of what Mayweather said, do you think it's proffessional for someone to say if I was so an so younger I would kick your ass? Before you said Mayweather snr should have to earn the respect of Jnr, whats has Merchant dont to earn Mayweathers respect?
Regardless who was at fault , once again the fans suffer.
Great post.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Why should he be given time to recover? The ref said box on and Floyd KO'd the cheating fucking arse hole. Ortiz got on my tits after the fight by acting the nice guy. He had just blatantly tried cheating because he was getting easily beaten up and he angered Floyd so he got KTFO.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Cortez waved em in.
In respect of whether it should be DQ or not, the above is really all you need to know.
No. But It was a school yard cheap shot from the very best of what the sport has to offer but many many lesser guys have done it. Not like he proclaimed to set an example in the first place :-X
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Why should he be given time to recover? The ref said box on and Floyd KO'd the cheating fucking arse hole. Ortiz got on my tits after the fight by acting the nice guy. He had just blatantly tried cheating because he was getting easily beaten up and he angered Floyd so he got KTFO.[/QUOTE]
Ummmmmm What?
Anyways no is an answer. Even if Ortiz had continuously punched him in the nuts no is a good answer. Mayweather has been doing shit like this and destroying the big stage of boxing for years. And he wasnt winning all the rounds either just the opposite. He flinched several times. Flinched you ever seen Floyd flinch before. You cant say what was going to happen in the latter rounds but Floyd looked uncomfortable and like he was in trouble.
Now if Ortiz would have knocked Floyd out intentionally with that butt I'd be calling him a piece of shit for it. I wouldnt be on here defending him just because I like him. That would make me an idiot.
And I'd like to see a gif of Cortez saying carry on in anyway because I saw no such thing. What Floyd did is classless either way but the first makes it illegal and he should be banned. Because we know he wont fight PAC either way!
If someone had just blatantly head butt you would you have just let it pass because he's a 'nice guy' and said sorry? If ortiz had any awareness he should have noticed Mayweather was a little pissed off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Why should he be given time to recover? The ref said box on and Floyd KO'd the cheating fucking arse hole. Ortiz got on my tits after the fight by acting the nice guy. He had just blatantly tried cheating because he was getting easily beaten up and he angered Floyd so he got KTFO.[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by cursed
Ummmmmm What?
Anyways no is an answer. Even if Ortiz had continuously punched him in the nuts no is a good answer. Mayweather has been doing shit like this and destroying the big stage of boxing for years. And he wasnt winning all the rounds either just the opposite. He flinched several times. Flinched you ever seen Floyd flinch before. You cant say what was going to happen in the latter rounds but Floyd looked uncomfortable and like he was in trouble.
Now if Ortiz would have knocked Floyd out intentionally with that butt I'd be calling him a piece of shit for it. I wouldnt be on here defending him just because I like him. That would make me an idiot.
And I'd like to see a gif of Cortez saying carry on in anyway because I saw no such thing. What Floyd did is classless either way but the first makes it illegal and he should be banned. Because we know he wont fight PAC either way![/QUOTE]
Cortez told them to box on. Did you even see the fight? Mayweather had won every round. In fact I'll bet you the punch stats back me up on that too. As I said already Mayweather was landing and Ortiz was not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GBRE45iVTQ
Better view of the KO
He did notice, and there wasnt a thing he could do about it. He was on his way to beating him up just fine without some emotional outburst shown by Mayweather who is a face of boxing resulting in this circus...it was a cheap move by a very expensive fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by LukeHIf someone had just blatantly head butt you would you have just let it pass because he's a 'nice guy' and said sorry? If ortiz had any awareness he should have noticed Mayweather was a little pissed off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Mayweather Ortiz Title fight - YouTube
Ref clearly waves them to fight on.
Him looking at the ref cluelessly didn't seem like he noticed he was pissed off about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliHe did notice, and there wasnt a thing he could do about it. He was on his way to beating him up just fine without some emotional outburst shown by Mayweather who is a face of boxing resulting in this circus...it was a cheap move by a very expensive fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by LukeHIf someone had just blatantly head butt you would you have just let it pass because he's a 'nice guy' and said sorry? If ortiz had any awareness he should have noticed Mayweather was a little pissed off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Mayweather may not have the best temperment, but if someone had headbutt you, whatever Ortiz says it was pretty clearly on purposs, you would let it go? Even though the reaction was legal ( I wont deny it wasn't a little cheap) If he didnt take his eyes of Mayweather he would have seen the intent in his eyes that he wasn't happy, in which case he probably wouldnt have been looking elsewhere with his hands at his sides?
A cynic would say that why he looks to the ref in the first place, you do dirt you know you piss a guy off but yeh, ref was busy talking to timekeepers. I dont entirely fault Floyd in rules so much as you dont have to go street punk sucker punch artist when you stand on THE top spot. Represent! As smart as Floyd is, he let himself lose it, and lose definitive victory.Quote:
Originally Posted by LukeHHim looking at the ref cluelessly didn't seem like he noticed he was pissed off about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliHe did notice, and there wasnt a thing he could do about it. He was on his way to beating him up just fine without some emotional outburst shown by Mayweather who is a face of boxing resulting in this circus...it was a cheap move by a very expensive fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by LukeHIf someone had just blatantly head butt you would you have just let it pass because he's a 'nice guy' and said sorry? If ortiz had any awareness he should have noticed Mayweather was a little pissed off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Mayweather may not have the best temperment, but if someone had headbutt you, whatever Ortiz says it was pretty clearly on purposs, you would let it go? Even though the reaction was legal ( I wont deny it wasn't a little cheap) If he didnt take his eyes of Mayweather he would have seen the intent in his eyes that he wasn't happy, in which case he probably wouldnt have been looking elsewhere with his hands at his sides?
And no if I get head butted I'm wrapin a fookin trashcan around someones face. Just not in the professional ring.
That was not really a wave in. He didn't even indicate box or fight. Also he waved them in and then pushed them back apart, started looking at the time keeper as if t say he didn't actually start the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
Cortez messed this one up! This is a DQ or NC for sure when they protest.
;D
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Originally Posted by ykdadamajaAlso he waved them in and then pushed them back apartQuote:
Originally Posted by piye
Oh dear. Is that what you really saw?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A_T0X6iBKs
Haha gotta love youtube baby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaAlso he waved them in and then pushed them back apartQuote:
Originally Posted by piye
Oh dear. Is that what you really saw?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A_T0X6iBKs
I posted an analogy in another thread, but is it not a credit to Floyd that he noticed if the ref said continue? How long should he wait for Ortiz to notice?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliA cynic would say that why he looks to the ref in the first place, you do dirt you know you piss a guy off but yeh, ref was busy talking to timekeepers. I dont entirely fault Floyd in rules so much as you dont have to go street punk sucker punch artist when you stand on THE top spot. Represent! As smart as Floyd is, he let himself lose it, and lose definitive victory.Quote:
Originally Posted by LukeHHim looking at the ref cluelessly didn't seem like he noticed he was pissed off about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliHe did notice, and there wasnt a thing he could do about it. He was on his way to beating him up just fine without some emotional outburst shown by Mayweather who is a face of boxing resulting in this circus...it was a cheap move by a very expensive fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by LukeHIf someone had just blatantly head butt you would you have just let it pass because he's a 'nice guy' and said sorry? If ortiz had any awareness he should have noticed Mayweather was a little pissed off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Mayweather may not have the best temperment, but if someone had headbutt you, whatever Ortiz says it was pretty clearly on purposs, you would let it go? Even though the reaction was legal ( I wont deny it wasn't a little cheap) If he didnt take his eyes of Mayweather he would have seen the intent in his eyes that he wasn't happy, in which case he probably wouldnt have been looking elsewhere with his hands at his sides?
And no if I get head butted I'm wrapin a fookin trashcan around someones face. Just not in the professional ring.