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Jean Marc Mormeck
Age: 39
Natural cruiserweight
Only 5'11"
5 fights in 6 years
4 wins(0 ko) in 6 years
1 Loss(1 ko) in 6 years (TKO'd by Haye)
Well Wladimir you've did it again. You've successfully landed yourself another easy fight against another cruiserweight and a guy who's got 2 knockout wins in 40 fights!
When Tyson Fury has been calling you out since the Haye fight!
BS! Pure BS!
Yes, a truly rubbish fight. Wlad won me over with Haye, but this causes my eyebrow to arch and look at him as the truly inferior sibling.
Well I agree it's an awful fight. Fury hasn't called Wlad out however. He's not ready for a Klitschko yet and won't be being rushed into a title fight soon.
The problem for the Klitschko's is that they have already defeated everybody.
There are only one or two fighters who haven't yet had their shot, and that only because they didn't want it, Povetkin for example.
Who is there to fight that Wlad hasn't already fought?
Also at this stage, as a former undisputed cruiserweight champ, Mormeck is actually no worse an opponent than Fury would be really, certainly he's more acomplished on paper, even though I suspect Fury would beat him.
Ultimately though there is no opponent out there that wouldn't be met with scoff's as the gulf in class between Wlad and everyone else is too extreme.
I know it is past its sell by date to say, but there is one man the Klits have never fought and that is James Toney. Does anyone really think that Toney couldn't have sold this fight better than Mormeck? Clearly Toney is finally busy at last but if he does beat Lebedev in style then Toney needs to be at least mentioned again. If Tarver can be mentioned by Steward, then a victorious Toney surely should. The Klits have never ever muttered the name of James Toney.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
yeah who else is there?
thing is tho, havent you got to be top 10 to get a world title chance?
Mormeck ??
This is a joke right - has it been agreed
just read its all but signed. Christ I'm looking forward to this oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
It is a very soft defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Since moving up Mormeck has beaten Maddalone, Oquendo and Timor Ibragimov. It's not a great resume, but the same line up of opponents was enough to get Holyfield a shot of Valuev, and he is a former undisputed cruiserweight champ as well I guess.
He will have absolutely no chance to win this fight whatsoever, and it's little more than an exhibition but what fight out there wouldn't be?
As I see it there are about half a dozen contenders coming through for 2012.
Helenius
Povetkin
Dimitrenko
Boystov
Then further down the list you have maybe Mike Perez, Tyson Fury, David Price who could start making waves in another 12-18 months.
I don't think any of the the four contenders listed above are ready for either Klitschko yet and personally am happy for them to keep fighting each other and gain experience so we have a legitimate challenger maybe late next year.
Mormeck is an easy, easy win, but it's just a stay busy fight for Wlad whilst he waits for a credible challenger to emerge from those listed above.
Best to just overlook this one and hope one of the other guys can start winning fights in impressive style and give us a better matchup later on.
Arreola, Boytsov, christ even Boswell or Tarver would have been a better choices imo
How many of them are available though and wanting to fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Arreola needs to prove himself again after having been demolished by Vitali, and then beaten by Adamek. He's currently fighting nobodies, by some margine worse than the likes Mormeck has been beating. At least Oquendo and Timor Ibragimov are recognisable names, who the fuck are Nagy Aguilera, Kendrick Releford and Friday Ahunanya?
Boytsov is a realistic matchup for the future, but again he's not ready at the moment so why not give him time to develop? The heavyweight division needs legit contenders and we have to give them time to emerge. I want Wald to hold off on the few unbeaten guys coming through for a while, so they are better prepared for the step up.
Boswell and Tarver are no better than Mormeck at all. Mormeck at least is a former undisputed cruiserweight champ, albiet not for long. And he's beaten better names at heavyweight than Tarver or Boswell, although admittedely not much.
At least Arreola has been active. Mormeck will have been outta the ring over a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboHow many of them are available though and wanting to fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Arreola needs to prove himself again after having been demolished by Vitali, and then beaten by Adamek. He's currently fighting nobodies, by some margine worse than the likes Mormeck has been beating. At least Oquendo and Timor Ibragimov are recognisable names, who the fuck are Nagy Aguilera, Kendrick Releford and Friday Ahunanya?
Boytsov is a realistic matchup for the future, but again he's not ready at the moment so why not give him time to develop? The heavyweight division needs legit contenders and we have to give them time to emerge. I want Wald to hold off on the few unbeaten guys coming through for a while, so they are better prepared for the step up.
Boswell and Tarver are no better than Mormeck at all. Mormeck at least is a former undisputed cruiserweight champ, albiet not for long. And he's beaten better names at heavyweight than Tarver or Boswell, although admittedely not much.
I agree Boytsov would benefit from a little more time
Tarver has name value & skills & is a former undisputed light-heavyweight champ.
Can't say much to defend Boswell apart from that he has been winning (although against limited opponents)
From what I read he has had contact with them :S Plus he told David Haye to step aside and allow him a shot!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Maybe speculation though.
But you must agree Fury would be a much, much better match up than Mormeck!
Yeah, but I'd much, much rather he waited another 18 months before he stepped up to that level. He's making good progress and he's one to watch for the future but he'd get murdered right now so it would just be a waste of a potential decent scrap.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosFrom what I read he has had contact with them :S Plus he told David Haye to step aside and allow him a shot!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Maybe speculation though.
But you must agree Fury would be a much, much better match up than Mormeck!
I don't want Wlad or Vitali to go anywhere near the contenders coming through like Fury, Helenius etc for another 12 months at least, so that when they do fight they at least have some experience of fighting on the big stage.
A fight with Mormeck is nothing more than a stay busy, keep in shape type of fight, but honestly that's all I want Wlad to have right now. I want the contenders out there to fight each other and create a cradible challenger, rather than snuff them all out before they have matured.
Hellenius, Fury, Boytsov etc are all routine wins for either Klit at this stage so even worse matchups than Mormeck imo as rubbing out one of them now just deprives the heavyweight scene more in the future. Beating Mormeck does no damage to the heavyweight division at least, unlike Vitali and Wlad's recent wins over Haye and Adamek, which have effectively robbed boxing of the two most exciting heavyweight contenders. Who cares about either now?
Don't kill the golden eggs!
^^That is now my signature quote! Brilliant!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I guess I agree with you about Fury, just sucks that boxing is now using heavyweights V cruiserweights just to keep the heavyweight division alive!
Wlad could stay busier with his sparring partners. :p
Ugh, this will not even be a fight, this will be a one sided beat down.
The Haye Wladimir fight will look good in comparrison, and it will appear more likely that Adamek actually had a chance to KO Vitali than this Mormeck has at winning.
On the bright side.... it will possibly be more entertaining than the Solis - Vitali fight.... that is, it may make it to round 3.
Early congrats for Vlads 50th ko.
Jean Mormeck??!
"get in liiiiiine"
Apparently there is no more line.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
I would not mind Wlad fighting Arreleo, the brothers should see who performs better against opponents they have both faced. This will give them the extra motivation they need to carry on with these defences.
I'm sure the German fans as always will be packing out another stadium for the fight, but as has been mentioned before the level of competition available for them that they haven't already beaten makes for a very short list of young fighters who will be getting into deep water too early in their careers, because the majority of them won't be seasoned and wily enough to fight to the kind of plan necessary to beat a Klitschko.
Unfortunately, the Vitali and Wladimir wrecking machine means that bouts such as these are inevitable.
Why? They're both one-sided bore-fests where Wlad wins every round and then gets a KO. Fury is mediocre, green, and absurdly overrated by Brits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Povetkin is really the only guy who's tier 2 rather than tier 3 or below in the division. And he has expressly declined to fight the Klitchkos.
Yes, this fight sucks. But every other fight sucks equally. This at least keeps the tier 3 guys free to fight each other. I'd rather see Arreola fight Helenius than either of them get dominated by a Klitchko. Throw Fury in that mix too if you insist, but he's at least another level down from those guys.
I agree this is a shit fight, BUT Fury?? Really?? He nearly got sparked by a shite journeyman with no power at weekend. Price will batter Fury, Wlad would KO the bum with a jab in the first round. I'd have Mormeck to beat Fury easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Haye was gonna fight Mormeck again but he chose Audley instead. If Audley is viewed as a more suitable opponent then it doesnt say much about Mormeck.
In his day and at his weight he was a good fighter. This is no longer his day or his weight so he brings nothing to the fight. I can only imagine he still has a fanbase in France and they could fill a stadium. Maybe the Klitschkos have settled for a tour of europe starting in Poland. Horrible fight this is. . .
Wow I never even though of Price. RETRACTED! Now I'd say Price!Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuI agree this is a shit fight, BUT Fury?? Really?? He nearly got sparked by a shite journeyman with no power at weekend. Price will batter Fury, Wlad would KO the bum with a jab in the first round. I'd have Mormeck to beat Fury easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Feel like such a newb for forgetting an Olympian!
Neither Fury or Price are anywhere near ready though IMO. For me I think it's time for Povetkin to MAN UP, and after he is beaten then I think the likes of Boystov, Helenius and Arreola could be due a shot. If Price is matched up well over the next 3 years I give him a better chance than most, but he still has loads to prove. As for Fury, I don't think he'll ever be ready and I see him eventually being thrown in with Haye due to the way he keeps attacking Haye in the press and I see something similar to the Audley fight with Haye taking Fury out whenever he has put money on himself to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosWow I never even though of Price. RETRACTED! Now I'd say Price!Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuI agree this is a shit fight, BUT Fury?? Really?? He nearly got sparked by a shite journeyman with no power at weekend. Price will batter Fury, Wlad would KO the bum with a jab in the first round. I'd have Mormeck to beat Fury easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Feel like such a newb for forgetting an Olympian!
I don't think the Klitschkos are that impressive, everyone seems to think they're the greats.
Vitali yes, he is a monster! Wlad not so much, but the old pros aren't beating them, it'll likely be someone younger than they're used to that'll beat them!
Probably will be someone younger. From whats on the horizon of HW boxing though I don't see anyone who can get in the ring with the Klits and even cause a problem. The closest man to doing that is David Haye and he got well outclassed. No of the HW's now I have 4 tiersQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Tier 1 is: The Klits
Tier 2 is: Haye
Tier 3 is: Chambers, Helenius, Boystov, Arreola, Thompson, Solis and Adamek etc
Tier 4 is: Price, Fury and Wilder. I'd also put Evander in here though his career is going in the opposite direction to the rest of this group. Then again I'd have him beating Fury and probably Wilder right now too. Price is the one to watch for me out of this group but as I said earlier he needs to be well matched so he can develop over the next couple of years.
I would agree with your tiers, where is Povetkin? Chageev? I know Chag is an outsider but he must not be dismissed.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuProbably will be someone younger. From whats on the horizon of HW boxing though I don't see anyone who can get in the ring with the Klits and even cause a problem. The closest man to doing that is David Haye and he got well outclassed. No of the HW's now I have 4 tiersQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Tier 1 is: The Klits
Tier 2 is: Haye
Tier 3 is: Chambers, Helenius, Boystov, Arreola, Thompson, Solis and Adamek etc
Tier 4 is: Price, Fury and Wilder. I'd also put Evander in here though his career is going in the opposite direction to the rest of this group. Then again I'd have him beating Fury and probably Wilder right now too. Price is the one to watch for me out of this group but as I said earlier he needs to be well matched so he can develop over the next couple of years.
Holyfield is a legend. If he did secure a Povetkin fight and managed to win, he'd go straight for a Klitschko! Probably with no success though, in both cases!
Sorry Chagaev and Povetkin both go in tier 3 I missed them by accident. Though Chagaev has looked very poor since his one sided beating off Wlad, so he could be on his way down.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosI would agree with your tiers, where is Povetkin? Chageev? I know Chag is an outsider but he must not be dismissed.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuProbably will be someone younger. From whats on the horizon of HW boxing though I don't see anyone who can get in the ring with the Klits and even cause a problem. The closest man to doing that is David Haye and he got well outclassed. No of the HW's now I have 4 tiersQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Tier 1 is: The Klits
Tier 2 is: Haye
Tier 3 is: Chambers, Helenius, Boystov, Arreola, Thompson, Solis and Adamek etc
Tier 4 is: Price, Fury and Wilder. I'd also put Evander in here though his career is going in the opposite direction to the rest of this group. Then again I'd have him beating Fury and probably Wilder right now too. Price is the one to watch for me out of this group but as I said earlier he needs to be well matched so he can develop over the next couple of years.
Holyfield is a legend. If he did secure a Povetkin fight and managed to win, he'd go straight for a Klitschko! Probably with no success though, in both cases!