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I've been watching the Amanda Knox case for several years, Knox and her former boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito, are probably guilty as hell, but the Italian prosecution's "evidence" in this appeal, seems highly circumstantial. I believe Knox's conviction should be overturned, due to lack of substantial evidence.
Prosecutors seek life sentence for Knox - World news - Europe - msnbc.com
Thoughts?
I don't know enough about the case to have an opinion really. It's not big news here as far as I know.
It sort of is here in the States, because Knox is an American, and she's being prosecuted and jailed in Italy. Like I said, the Italian prosecution has shit for real evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I don't recall hearing much about it here in Canada, but I don't have cable anymore so maybe that's why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axIt sort of is here in the States, because Knox is an American, and she's being prosecuted and jailed in Italy. Like I said, the Italian prosecution has shit for real evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
She's guilty as hell. People who commit crimes in other countries always likes to make claims of bias or some bullshit when they get caught for murder, rape, drug trafficking, etc. Can't do the time, don't doe the fucking crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
The only reason why the U.S. media makes it look like she's innocent is because she's American. My Italian relatives thinks she's guilty as hell. She's lucky there is not a death penalty in Italy.
This comment in that thread hit the nail on the head. Americans just don't want foreign courts to prosecute their citizens.
Sorry if you commit murder or any other heinous crime, your ass isn't above the law just because your country is a superpower.Quote:
I think there is a lot of evidence that points to her guilt. But I think a lot of people are uncomfortable with the idea that an attractive young american student could be inovlved in a horrible crime like this. If it's true, it makes us all look bad. Easier to blame the Italian courts of misconduct than to admit the strong possibility that Knox was involved in this murder.
I think people should ask themselves, is their opinion based on the reported facts, or is it based on the idea that they don't like a foreign court deciding the fate of an american? If the exact same event had taken place in Boston, would you feel the same way?
She is American, good looking and it was a sex crime. She is guilty but will be released in a few years, make a film and go on playboy.
I think she was innocent.
I don't think she played any part in the murder, although I think she did know that it happened.
Guilty.
It's simply not possible at this time to make a definitive statement either way. Much of the evidence against seems flawed, circumstantial and sometimes contradicted by other testimony which is why they are having a retrial.
Statements like she is innocent, or she is guilty as hell are merely people voicing their preconceived opinions and cannot be substantiated yet.
I want to believe she is innocent as she is a very pretty girl, and that to me is the most important thing at the end of that day.
Take a look into her boyfriends face and eyes in that video he is full of glee. He is enjoying himself there, its his moment.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
From what i've been able to gather so far, the prosecution has a weak/circumstantial case. I'm not saying she's innocent, but if you're going to sentence someone to life in prison, you need to have a strong case against them, there seems to be too much doubt.
If I had to guess, i'd say it was the Boyfriend who did the actual killing, but who really knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Some 3 years ago I watched Italian documentary about it. It's amazing that this case is still on the news. If you have rich (but not too rich) imagination, then this case is creepingly fascinating, at least here in Europe, as we don't have lots of murders like these. A part of me is curious to know how a mind of a young and pretty psychopath works, a bigger part is afraid of what I might find...
This isn't about the U.S. being a "superpower", just saying, the Italian prosecutors seem to have a flimsy and/or circumstantial, shot full of holes case against Knox. She may be guilty as hell, but it needs to be proven with conclusive evidence, and not half-assed accusations and/or legal guesses by the prosecution.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
I don't know if she is guilty or not, but if she is going to get locked away for a long time I bet she'd let me plough her hairy furrow priot to incarceration. She is a foxy minx, but I would hide all my ice picks before doing her!
Update:
Knox leaves prison after murder conviction overturned
PERUGIA, Italy — Amanda Knox, the 24-year-old American found guilty in 2009 of murdering her roommate Meredith Kercher, was a free woman after an appeals court jury on Monday acquitted her and her ex-boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito.
Knox, 24, collapsed in tears as the jury's verdict was read.
The jury had two options to acquit: determining there wasn't enough evidence to uphold the conviction or that the pair simply didn't commit the crime. The jury determined the latter, clearing Knox and Sollecito completely.
After briefly returning to prison for a formal discharge, Knox was seen being driven away in a convoy. Rocco Girlanda, an Italian lawmaker who is close to the Knox family, said she planned to leave Italy on Tuesday.
Knox leaves prison after conviction overturned - World news - Europe - msnbc.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqdK9L2ZtoA
Shit, now we will have another crappy Hollywood movie about innocent American sentenced in a foreign country...
I would so much prefer a deep, psychological movie about young, handsome psychopaths, planning and commiting sex-motivated murder, the story based in a lovely, quiet town.
Ain't that the truth, I figure Hugh Heffner will pay Knox 5 mil to pose nude for Playboy, and she'll make a ton of money doing documentaries and interviews, and of course the big money movie offers for her story. Shit man, who says crime doesn't pay?Quote:
Originally Posted by therealremi
haha I posted the same thought on facebook earlier today, so hope that happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axAin't that the truth, I figure Hugh Heffner will pay Knox 5 mil to pose nude for Playboy, and she'll make a ton of money doing documentaries and interviews, and of course the big money movie offers for her story. Shit man, who says crime doesn't pay?Quote:
Originally Posted by therealremi
Glad she was found innocent, hope that she really is.
Looking forward to googling for some hot pics when she starts partying again.
What do you wanna bet Amanda's having a few drinks tonight, after 4 fucking years in prison I know I would. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbohaha I posted the same thought on facebook earlier today, so hope that happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axAin't that the truth, I figure Hugh Heffner will pay Knox 5 mil to pose nude for Playboy, and she'll make a ton of money doing documentaries and interviews, and of course the big money movie offers for her story. Shit man, who says crime doesn't pay?Quote:
Originally Posted by therealremi
Glad she was found innocent, hope that she really is.
Looking forward to googling for some hot pics when she starts partying again.
I believe she's headed back to the States tuesday, I think she's probably guilty, but the Italian prosecution had a horrible case, so I believe an acquittal on the appeal was the right thing to do. If she really was innocent like she claims, then this case was a travesty.
I wonder if she's had sex since getting out yet and who it will be with?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axWhat do you wanna bet Amanda's having a few drinks tonight, after 4 fucking years in prison I know I would. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbohaha I posted the same thought on facebook earlier today, so hope that happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axAin't that the truth, I figure Hugh Heffner will pay Knox 5 mil to pose nude for Playboy, and she'll make a ton of money doing documentaries and interviews, and of course the big money movie offers for her story. Shit man, who says crime doesn't pay?Quote:
Originally Posted by therealremi
Glad she was found innocent, hope that she really is.
Looking forward to googling for some hot pics when she starts partying again.
I believe she's headed back to the States tuesday, I think she probably guilty, but the Italian prosecution had a horrible case, so I believe an acquittal was the right thing. If she really was innocent like she claims, then this case was a travesty.
Also, you reckon she dyked out in prison? Must have.
Chances are not yet, not while she's still around ma & pa, as for dyking out in prison, that's not much of a stretch, she wasn't a stranger to sex with other females before she went to prison.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI wonder if she's had sex since getting out yet and who it will be with?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axWhat do you wanna bet Amanda's having a few drinks tonight, after 4 fucking years in prison I know I would. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbohaha I posted the same thought on facebook earlier today, so hope that happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axAin't that the truth, I figure Hugh Heffner will pay Knox 5 mil to pose nude for Playboy, and she'll make a ton of money doing documentaries and interviews, and of course the big money movie offers for her story. Shit man, who says crime doesn't pay?Quote:
Originally Posted by therealremi
Glad she was found innocent, hope that she really is.
Looking forward to googling for some hot pics when she starts partying again.
I believe she's headed back to the States tuesday, I think she probably guilty, but the Italian prosecution had a horrible case, so I believe an acquittal was the right thing. If she really was innocent like she claims, then this case was a travesty.
Also, you reckon she dyked out in prison? Must have.
Italy ........ what a third world banana republic country.
The reason she got off was simply because the Italian police completely screwed up the forensics. They were putting evidence in paper bags and not protecting the chain of custody/evidence. Absolite amateurs.
On top of that, it is a country with one of the highest levels of corruption in the world, endemic tax dodging, a leader who is a worldwide joke and they are about to go bust after years of profligate spending of other people's money.
If anything like this had happened in, say, Sierra Leone or Columbia, it would be accompanied by worldwide derision and contempt ........
I just got through reading that the Italian Prosecutor plans to appeal the acquittal:Quote:
Originally Posted by X
The prosecutor said he would appeal the decision releasing Knox and Italian Raffaele Sollecito, her co-defendant and one-time boyfriend.
"We will appeal," prosecutor Giuliano Mignini told Reuters. "The (higher) court will decide whether to confirm the first sentence or the second sentence."
So it's not over, I would bet however, that Knox ain't ever going back to Italy. ;)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44767938...ope/?GT1=43001
I find this quite unbelievable from the Daily Mail website. I understand them preparing 2 stories so they can upload it to the site as soon as the verdict was delivered, but come on. Look at those 'quotes'.
Tabloid Watch: MailOnline makes up events, quotes from Perugia
She was found guilty for blaming a completely innocent man and implicated him for the murder. She was out on a technicality and she did it with the other 2.
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Originally Posted by Master
Yeah out on a technicality i agree. dna evidence was not strong enough blah blah, if she was innocent surely her dna wouldn't have been on the knife near the girls body at all. It frustrates me that she told so many lies and changed her story on different occasions while having evidence going against her and still get off with it.
I haven't heard much about the ivory coast guy who is still inside for it, he's obviously a killer but don't seem like he has tried to implicate knox and her bloke too severly that goes in her favour but i doubt he is given much opportunity to speak to the media.
it's merediths family i feel sorry for big time couldn't imagine what it like to go through what they been through but makes it even worse when the killer got away with it.
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Originally Posted by Cressa121
Wow. believe nothing.
Yep. She blamed her boss at first and said he was the murderer, not only that but she changed her story a lot of times. Innocent people dont change their stories constantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Guilty as sin.
Desperate people may do, whether guilty or not. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogYep. She blamed her boss at first and said he was the murderer, not only that but she changed her story a lot of times. Innocent people dont change their stories constantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
The people who are saying she is guilty as sin though, based on what?
As I understand there is no evidence whatsoever linking her to the murder.
Her DNA was not found anywhere in the room where Meredith was killed, whereas Randy Guede's was found all over Meredith's body.
Meredith has been determined as a killer based on her contradictory reports as to what happened that night, blaming her boss, reported unusual behaviour and a the inconsistent alibi story.
As H says, that may have been desperation and fear rather than guilt. It's also worth noting she was only 19/20 at the time, didn't speak much Italian and the whole interview took place, supposedly under duress and in a foreign language.
I guess her story will come out in time.
IT's very similar to that poor backpacker girl whose husband/fiance was murdered when they were both kidnapped in the outback. For years she was regarded as being complicit as it was 'impossible' she could have escaped as she described.
Then in court, they handcuffed her from behind and asked her to demonstrate how she managed to escape. She just sat down on the floor and slid the cuffs under her legs and was able to run away. Took about 4 seconds....
The media print a lot of sensationalist crap and twist every innocent thing to be malevolent.
"Foxy Knoxy"?, this bitch is seriously ugly, and humm, a horrible speaker.
Amanda Knox's tearful return to the U.S.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOVg1tN19Hk
I think Bilbo and H are right here. Joanna Lees (backpack murder) was guilty as hell in the media until it turned out she was innocent.
Ever heard about the West Memphis Three? These poor fuckers just spent 20 years in prison basically on the back of a borderline retarded kids "confession." Convicted with ZERO evidence or motive.
Knox may or may not really be guilty, the bottom line is, the Italian prosecutions flimsy "evidence" against her should never have supported a murder conviction in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Mars_ax
First speech after 4 years in prison with the world hating you, not easy to look your best.
Also, horrible speaker? Imagine how most of us would sound after 4 years inside for murder and the media scrutiny she has endured. You can't exactly expect her to sound like Clarence Darrow.
By Christmas she will be a hottie again.
She's not dealing from a full deck. Not that this makes her a murderer.
I understand that the Italian police completely fucked up with all the forensic evidence, so it's very difficult to prove she had a part in it.
However, other evidence is very, very sketchy. At best, it makes her out to be a complete maniac. At worst, it suggests she is a murderer or an accomplice.
Claiming she witnessed her boss carry out the murder is beyond sick and i don't understand how a grueling 14 hour interrogation (as bad as that may be) can lead you to making such an accusation.
I can understand a person being manipulated into telling half truths during an interview and i understand that police can give you leading questions so your version of events fills the gaps in their current theories. What i can't understand is how a person would lie to the point where they say they witnessed somebody kill somebody else. That's either one hell of a law breaking interrogation where the police have forced her to make that statement, or she is a complete and utter fruitcake. Or she knows what really happened and she's covering for herself or somebody else.
Then all of the other minor pieces of evidence where she and her then boyfriend tried to create an alibi. There's just too many lies in there. Pointless lies that wouldn't matter unless you were trying to cover your own back.
The staged break in. The fact that she was seen buying bleach the following morning, when she claimed to be in bed. The fact that she confirmed the cause of death to one of her British friends, when the actual cause hadn't been released yet. The fact that she blamed her vagueness of what happened on her smoking weed that night.
I'll stop short of saying she's done it, because i wasn't there. I didn't see it. But something doesn't sit well at all.
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Originally Posted by ono
A lot of those claims against her might be innacurate or completely made up though. As I said above, go through some of the stuff about Joanna Lees that is still on the net, all the 'lies' and mistruths she told, everything that didn't add up, all the reasons why she must have been guilty, and then realise that a few years later she was completely and totally vindicated. The same with Colin Stagg, who had his life completely ruined and was totally innocent.
The point is Amanda Knox hasn't been able to give her side of the story or respond to any of the claims yet, everything is reported in the paper and given a malevolent spin.
This idea of her being satanic and diabolical because she liked to party and sleep around....really? Like 90% of student girls her age aren't doing the same :-\
The stories about buying blach and talking to a friend about the murder just sound like bits of gosspi to me, that very well might not even be true.
Her boss Mr Lumumba I presume you agree was completely innocent. So why then did he delete a text message he sent to Amanda Knox on the night of the murder saying 'I will see you later'? And why was there a signal trace from his phone at the cottage shortly afterwards?
We know now he had nothing to do with it so these 'incriminating' actions are presumably entirely cooincidental, and that could just as easily be true of the majority of the strange events surround Knox...
At the end of the day we will likely never know what happened but as I understand they found no actual evidence that linked Knox to the murder at all. The break in, the buying of bleach etc have not been shown to have been by her either as I understand it.
I thought her DNA was on the knife aswell as her footprints being found in the apartment, and not only that there's just something i can see in her that is really ugly. Something about her is seriously off and i believe she done it, its just the stupid police made a complete cock up.