Is Tony Blair a devil in human forml?

It is almost like Tony Blair used the PM role as a prop to murder, enslave and develop his twisted business ambitions. Today the UK is a mess and is now apparently the worst place to live in Europe and meanwhile this evil war criminal is marching all over the globe and perpetuating the most insidious nonsense. On being called to the investigation into Iraq he started the case for another pointless war, this time with Iran. And now it seems he is the voice piece of Israel and rejects a Palestinian state.

Blair's Peace Role At Risk Over 'Israel Bias' - Yahoo!

So I ask the question, is Tony Blair a devil in human form?

I probably invented a new word with forml, but I am resolute that the gist of the question is quite obvious. Clearly I am a bit pissed off with Blair and more so than usual after reading this article. That man really needs Bradley Manning style solitary confinement for his serious crimes.

You can murder millions in this day and age and yet the instant you try to spill the beans on the evil you are put away. You can try and protest against Wall Street and you get police brutality and a mainstream media blackout.

It's all topsy turvy and in the most scary and intimidating ways. We are fast moving back to the days of feudalism and slavery. Modern lives are significantly worse than 40 years ago and until we start putting the criminals away and reforming the system then nothing is going to change.

We cannot allow people like Blair to run free and carry on spreading their evil. Hold the devils to account and reform the rot to something better. Nationalisation and an end to insidious wars would be a start and clearly a cell for nasty types like Blair and Cheney etc.

A Palestinian state is something necessary and to have people like Blair lobbying against it is a disgrace. That man couldn't possibly sink any lower.

A miles political thread is a great thing and nobody dares touch it. Bunch of chickens.

Well, I'd say he's a corporate opportunist. Many countries, under dubious excuses will never stand against everything that's good on a business point of view, Canada the first one. Our Prime Minister is probably as bad as Blair but he just flies under the radar because the scandals against him are slowly emerging where Blair's whereabouts are now known for a few years but I'd say that he's not worst than Nicolas Sarcozy, Harper, Berlusconi or how how Bush was. An opportunist that deserves a beating among many others.

He is a dick but had credibility before he went into Iraq and was forced to go.

He is a grinning imp, without values or principles ....... but with a Messiah complex.

Very well said folks. Tony Blair definitely needs a sucker punch.

A slimy and very dangerous man, far worse than someone like Bin Laden IMO.

At least he is getting back on the right track by supporting Israel against the heathen Arabs.

What do you think of the ridiculous Palestinian bid for stateship btw Miles? I think it's a joke. How can Abbas strive to be President of a state that he only half controls??? He's not even allowed in Gaza which is controlled by Hamas, they can't even agree on a time zone over there, as Hamas and the PA both have their own time zone.

Plus how come the world isn't denouncing Abbas for blatently violating the 1993 Oslo accords by appealing directly to the UN to recognise a Palestinian state and breaking away from the negotiating table with Israel?

Plus he will ruin Palestine in the process. Hamas are oppsed to it so the internal divisions will deepen. Anerican aid, $500,000,000 per year will likely be stopped, as will all Israeli tax aid.

He is an idiot. Luckily the US will veto the plan, and hopefully Britain will be smart enough to too. However he is likely to get non member, observer status which will allow him to take endless grievances against Israel to the International courts. This will just increase the pressure in the middle East.

When the situation is already volatile following the Arab Spring and growing anti Semitism in Egypt, Turkey's mad ruler Erdogan wanting some sort of clash with Israel and Iran trying to get the atom bomb, Abbas's barmy idea is at least very well timed. The UN is full of anti semites so he will likely get the non member observer status he wants, but after that Palestine will be far worse off than before. Their economy, currently growing at 7% a year will go backwards again and he will ruin his people.

Well done idot man.

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At least he is getting back on the right track by supporting Israel against the heathen Arabs.

What do you think of the ridiculous Palestinian bid for stateship btw Miles? I think it's a joke. How can Abbas strive to be President of a state that he only half controls??? He's not even allowed in Gaza which is controlled by Hamas, they can't even agree on a time zone over there, as Hamas and the PA both have their own time zone.

Plus how come the world isn't denouncing Abbas for blatently violating the 1993 Oslo accords by appealing directly to the UN to recognise a Palestinian state and breaking away from the negotiating table with Israel?

Plus he will ruin Palestine in the process. Hamas are oppsed to it so the internal divisions will deepen. Anerican aid, $500,000,000 per year will likely be stopped, as will all Israeli tax aid.

He is an idiot. Luckily the US will veto the plan, and hopefully Britain will be smart enough to too. However he is likely to get non member, observer status which will allow him to take endless grievances against Israel to the International courts. This will just increase the pressure in the middle East.

When the situation is already volatile following the Arab Spring and growing anti Semitism in Egypt, Turkey's mad ruler Erdogan wanting some sort of clash with Israel and Iran trying to get the atom bomb, Abbas's barmy idea is at least very well timed. The UN is full of anti semites so he will likely get the non member observer status he wants, but after that Palestine will be far worse off than before. Their economy, currently growing at 7% a year will go backwards again and he will ruin his people.

Well done idot man.

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I have a lot of thoughts about it, but am just about to head out for the weekend so cannot really add much here. But needless to say I take issue with a number of your observations and will try and respond to them when I get back.

He's probably a grey.

He's not the devil, just a lacky.

No, I'm actually going to remain calm and not get too heavily into a Palestine debate, my thoughts are pretty obvious and I don't want to spend what remains of my weekend going over quite predictable ground. I shall merrily abstain and just enjoy my boxing for a few hours. Plus I'm knackered after a late one yesterday.

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No, I'm actually going to remain calm and not get too heavily into a Palestine debate, my thoughts are pretty obvious and I don't want to spend what remains of my weekend going over quite predictable ground. I shall merrily abstain and just enjoy my boxing for a few hours. Plus I'm knackered after a late one yesterday.

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So on reflection, you agree taht Abass and the PA are in the wring this then eh? It's good that you are able to be more flexible on your views these days.

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No, I'm actually going to remain calm and not get too heavily into a Palestine debate, my thoughts are pretty obvious and I don't want to spend what remains of my weekend going over quite predictable ground. I shall merrily abstain and just enjoy my boxing for a few hours. Plus I'm knackered after a late one yesterday.

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So on reflection, you agree taht Abass and the PA are in the wring this then eh? It's good that you are able to be more flexible on your views these days.

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Your syntax suggests to me that you are sampling your bar. :p

Nah, I fully support a Palestinian state and I think it would be a great thing. But I will not elaborate as today is a beautiful fall day and I am going to walk around the lake. I just can't be bothered posting as I know it would involve elongated posting that I can't be bothered with. The winter months are far better for political pontificating. Here I just wanted to have a dig at lazarus Blair who I think is a nasty and dangerous individual.

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No, I'm actually going to remain calm and not get too heavily into a Palestine debate, my thoughts are pretty obvious and I don't want to spend what remains of my weekend going over quite predictable ground. I shall merrily abstain and just enjoy my boxing for a few hours. Plus I'm knackered after a late one yesterday.

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Yes, but you must admit, if Palestinians are granted the freedom to roam where they will,there will be alot more people around with hair like Victor Ortizes.

http://slices-of-life.com/wp-content...ntagious03.jpg

People are incredibly fickle and quickly forget just how fucked the country was under the last Tory Government.

But apparently the 80s weren't full of violence, hooliganism, poverty and racial tension either.

Cameron keeps trying to pass off the current economy as being 'all labour's fault' but seems quite happy to ignore the fact that it is a Global economic crisis caused by many more factors than the Labour Government could ever personally affect and that the last recession this country faced was a purely national one and was caused by Tory policy and Tory policy alone.

I found this quite an interesting read:

UK Riots in Historical Perspective: ARC Centre of Excellence for the History of Emotions

I think Blair tried to do a lot for education and to support families... whether that worked is another debate all together but Cameron can take his 'Big Society' and stuff it up the Blue Blooded arses of the cunt chums of his that he is looking out for.

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People are incredibly fickle and quickly forget just how fucked the country was under the last Tory Government.

But apparently the 80s weren't full of violence, hooliganism, poverty and racial tension either.

Cameron keeps trying to pass off the current economy as being 'all labour's fault' but seems quite happy to ignore the fact that it is a Global economic crisis caused by many more factors than the Labour Government could ever personally affect and that the last recession this country faced was a purely national one and was caused by Tory policy and Tory policy alone.

I found this quite an interesting read:

UK Riots in Historical Perspective: ARC Centre of Excellence for the History of Emotions

I think Blair tried to do a lot for education and to support families... whether that worked is another debate all together but Cameron can take his 'Big Society' and stuff it up the Blue Blooded arses of the cunt chums of his that he is looking out for.

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Typical Adam GB.

Do you think anybody seriously underestimates how Tory Friedman style politics of the 80's helped disintegrate Britain and made it the over priced dump it is today? Of course not.

That isn't what I am arguing. Here I am focusing on an individual who went against the interests of his general populace and engaged in war. A war many believe to be illegal and thus making Blair a war criminal. And having perpetuated Tory economic policies namely by removing clause 4 and officially becoming identical to the Tories. Blair also allowed the continued deregulation of the financial sector. Sure he spent a lot of money on social regeneration and wasted a lot more, but ultimately Britain was a privatised nation and one where typical households lived in debt.

What it ultimately led to was a bankrupt Britain and a Britain seriously harmed in the wake of Iraq. Now that Blair is gone he is now swanning around the world making millions by drumming up war with Iran and going lobbying for US interests against Palestine. The man is a slimeball, at least Thatcher just vanished after her attempt at botching up Britain. Blair has no shame.

It was Brown himself who declared an end to the days of boom and bust. Erm sorry.....with a deregulated financial market that is an incredibly naive and foolish thing to say. If we had regulation and a division between consumer and investment banking then this entire saga would have been less than what it was. We could have allowed the investment bankers to fall over a cliff or at least nationalise them on a permanent basis thus being of benefit to society at large. Let those who lose their silly bonuses run away to Wall Street. Banks run by the state in the interests of those who invest in them. Less of the risk taking that is rampant in deregulated profits motivated investment banking.

Deregulation is as much Labour's responsibility as they were too ignorant to pay it the least bit of attention.

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People are incredibly fickle and quickly forget just how fucked the country was under the last Tory Government.

But apparently the 80s weren't full of violence, hooliganism, poverty and racial tension either.

Cameron keeps trying to pass off the current economy as being 'all labour's fault' but seems quite happy to ignore the fact that it is a Global economic crisis caused by many more factors than the Labour Government could ever personally affect and that the last recession this country faced was a purely national one and was caused by Tory policy and Tory policy alone.

I found this quite an interesting read:

UK Riots in Historical Perspective: ARC Centre of Excellence for the History of Emotions

I think Blair tried to do a lot for education and to support families... whether that worked is another debate all together but Cameron can take his 'Big Society' and stuff it up the Blue Blooded arses of the cunt chums of his that he is looking out for.

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Typical Adam GB.

Do you think anybody seriously underestimates how Tory Friedman style politics of the 80's helped disintegrate Britain and made it the over priced dump it is today? Of course not.

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Yes, I believe that is exactly what I said, which bit couldn't you comprehend?... again, sheeple are extremely fickle and my point is that Blair/Labour seem to be getting all of the blame for something that is not entirely their fault.

Am I saying that Labour didn't have a thing to do with it? Of course I'm fucking not.

Sue me if I couldn't be arsed to engage you on the tired, 'typical miles' Blair war criminal debate that you have been droning on about for years and would rather talk about the other ills that all apparently lie at the Blair Governments feet.

Honestly Miles, we get it... you don't like Blair and you think he is an evil Western War Monger, worse than the likes of Mohamed Farrah Aidid etc

I'm not well versed in UK politics or economics but when you look at most financial bubble busts (in the U.S.) it usually stems from some type of government involvment whether it be subisidizing (housing), taxes (medical), etc. Bubbles will normally not form in a free market and/or not be as resounding due to basic supply and demand principles. The U.S. housing market bubble was perpetuated b/c no one in the industry or gov't wanted to stop the party. While you can point to poor regulation of the derivatives market as the point things spiraled out of control the over subsidizing by the U.S. govt in the housing market was the clear impetus of the problem. The centralizing of the U.S. banking system in the Fed which is clearly a Cartel, has caused dramatic loss of freedom both in U.S. citizens personal and financial lives. I have no opinion on Blair being the devil or what type of gov't the UK needs but I will always prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful servitude.

If Blair is then Cameron has replaced Maggie as Satan.

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At least he is getting back on the right track by supporting Israel against the heathen Arabs.

What do you think of the ridiculous Palestinian bid for stateship btw Miles? I think it's a joke. How can Abbas strive to be President of a state that he only half controls??? He's not even allowed in Gaza which is controlled by Hamas, they can't even agree on a time zone over there, as Hamas and the PA both have their own time zone.

Plus how come the world isn't denouncing Abbas for blatently violating the 1993 Oslo accords by appealing directly to the UN to recognise a Palestinian state and breaking away from the negotiating table with Israel?

Plus he will ruin Palestine in the process. Hamas are oppsed to it so the internal divisions will deepen. Anerican aid, $500,000,000 per year will likely be stopped, as will all Israeli tax aid.

He is an idiot. Luckily the US will veto the plan, and hopefully Britain will be smart enough to too. However he is likely to get non member, observer status which will allow him to take endless grievances against Israel to the International courts. This will just increase the pressure in the middle East.

When the situation is already volatile following the Arab Spring and growing anti Semitism in Egypt, Turkey's mad ruler Erdogan wanting some sort of clash with Israel and Iran trying to get the atom bomb, Abbas's barmy idea is at least very well timed. The UN is full of anti semites so he will likely get the non member observer status he wants, but after that Palestine will be far worse off than before. Their economy, currently growing at 7% a year will go backwards again and he will ruin his people.

Well done idot man.

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interesting views for someone who doesnt work and therefore shouldnt get the vote in my opinion.
and yes B - liar is exactly that .
also what is your obsession with the middle east ?

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

http://slices-of-life.com/wp-content...ntagious03.jpg

People are incredibly fickle and quickly forget just how fucked the country was under the last Tory Government.

But apparently the 80s weren't full of violence, hooliganism, poverty and racial tension either.

Cameron keeps trying to pass off the current economy as being 'all labour's fault' but seems quite happy to ignore the fact that it is a Global economic crisis caused by many more factors than the Labour Government could ever personally affect and that the last recession this country faced was a purely national one and was caused by Tory policy and Tory policy alone.

I found this quite an interesting read:

UK Riots in Historical Perspective: ARC Centre of Excellence for the History of Emotions

I think Blair tried to do a lot for education and to support families... whether that worked is another debate all together but Cameron can take his 'Big Society' and stuff it up the Blue Blooded arses of the cunt chums of his that he is looking out for.

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Typical Adam GB.

Do you think anybody seriously underestimates how Tory Friedman style politics of the 80's helped disintegrate Britain and made it the over priced dump it is today? Of course not.

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Yes, I believe that is exactly what I said, which bit couldn't you comprehend?... again, sheeple are extremely fickle and my point is that Blair/Labour seem to be getting all of the blame for something that is not entirely their fault.

Am I saying that Labour didn't have a thing to do with it? Of course I'm fucking not.

Sue me if I couldn't be arsed to engage you on the tired, 'typical miles' Blair war criminal debate that you have been droning on about for years and would rather talk about the other ills that all apparently lie at the Blair Governments feet.

Honestly Miles, we get it... you don't like Blair and you think he is an evil Western War Monger, worse than the likes of Mohamed Farrah Aidid etc

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A party that refuses to reverse rampant privatisation and regulate the financial markets is one that perpetuates the previous parties policies. They are either in complete collusion or totally ignorant of what they were doing. Either way Labour was just as responsible for the meltdown and Blair was in power for a good decade. Hardly a blink of an eye. He gets the rap for economic immaturity too. People are suffering today partly because of him and his economic policies.