At the very least it should of been a NO CONTEST... I'm so outraged that a fighter.. excuse me a champion could lose the belt this way. What are your opinions?
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At the very least it should of been a NO CONTEST... I'm so outraged that a fighter.. excuse me a champion could lose the belt this way. What are your opinions?
this is by far the leading candidate for ROBBERY OF THE YEAR, it's bullshit and the ref is hands down the worst ref this year...even outdoing the ref for the Agbeko fight, is Dawson really trying to talk about having heart and robbing the fans of a fight? sorry all Dawson did tonight was scrap any respect that i had for him and made himself look like a douche, if he really considers this as a real "win" then he's a fucking joke
It'll get overturned, but that call - while wrong - is 100% due to Hopkins history of faking fouls and making refs look like fools.
Exactly, very well said. I was a big Chad fan and liked the fact that he was a humble down to earth champion. I lost all respect for Chad today. If roles were reversed Chad would be talking about how dirty Hopkins is. I just don't understand how that can be consider a boxing move.. "There was no blow scored to cause a knock down" Chad was very unprofessional after the ruling. The fact that he does not want to rematch Hopkins is even more upsetting.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I hope you're right and yes I have to agree with you as well. Like I said if roles were reversed this wouldn't happen most likely. His antics with Calzaghe might have cause him this fight. But this was still blatant robbery. I would of been okay with a no contest and a immediate rematch.. At the very least I hope the wbc issues an immediate rematch if Chad wants to keep those belts.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
It should have been a N/C, and I think it ultimately will be. GBP have too much money and influence to let the result stand. With the obvious bad-blood between the two fighters, the immediate rematch will sell itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspokenI hope you're right and yes I have to agree with you as well. Like I said if roles were reversed this wouldn't happen most likely. His antics with Calzaghe might have cause him this fight. But this was still blatant robbery. I would of been okay with a no contest an a immediate rematch.. At the very least I hope the wbc issues an immediate rematch if Chad wants to keep those belts.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I didn't see anything in the fight that makes me think that Hopkins would have been looking for a way out. BUT, I wouldn't be all that surprised if Hopkins embellished it. He's smart enough to know that if he's hurt to the point that he can still fight, but likely would be at a big competitive disadvantage, then it's better to have it ruled an N/C.
We can't pick and choose which fighters are allowed to be fooked in the ass and which we prefer not to be by refs bringing personal opinion into it rather than calling rules rules and calling it down the middle. You don't lose points for being Bernard or any other fighter last I checked...you shouldn't.
It was a shit call.
Yeah, but stuff like this happens in all sports. Refs are only human and the ones that officiate at the highest levels have a ton of pride, just like anyone else who rises to the top of their profession. When refs see someone who they feel violates the rules, embellishes, and generally makes them look like their unable to do their jobs, then they do not tend to give that person the benefit of the doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I'm not saying it's right, but it is human nature.
It won't matter in the end, I would be shocked if this doesn't end up as an N/C with an immediate rematch called for by the Commission.
Yeh but thats not his call to make on opinion and personal preference. Thats where the lines get blurred and inconsistency and favoritism comes in to play 'god' with a guys livelihood and career. If he feels he bends rules, anyone, then its in his control to penalize or warn etc...not disregard a legit claim or rule bend on other side. Thats what makes refs look a fool, acting like judge, jury and executioner while legit questions are there. Ask Joe CortezQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHYeah, but stuff like this happens in all sports. Refs are only human and the ones that officiate at the highest levels have a ton of pride, just like anyone else who rises to the top of their profession. When refs see someone who they feel violates the rules, embellishes, and generally makes them look like their unable to do their jobs, then they do not tend to give that person the benefit of the doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I'm not saying it's right, but it is human nature.
It won't matter in the end, I would be shocked if this doesn't end up as an N/C with an immediate rematch called for by the Commission.
Side note Refs the boss...but I take every chance I can to make mine look a fool ;D
Hopkins has done this far too often for me to have any sympathy. He has tried to cheat and screw fighters so many times and then gets upset when finally it has gone against him. If they want a rematch in 3 months, then let's have it because I am convinced it will be the last we see of BHop. He can't fight 12 rounds with Dawson.
Let's not forget why Hopkins was on his back, it was because once again he tried to man grope Chad Dawson and clinging yourself to an opponent like an octopus is not an acceptable move either. Should a fighter just allow themselves to be hugged non-stop? No, you push your opponent off and try to force a fight. Dawson was doing just that. Hopkins seems to be made of bone china with his crying in every fight. Toney falls out the ring, he gets up and the man was so big against Oquendo that it defied the laws of physics. But Hopkins falls, seems to take most of the fall on his back and lo and behold he is injured. Now where have we seen Hopkins crying on the canvas before?
The ref saw it as a spoiler hugging and getting pushed away, it's a shame that Hopkins apparently hurt himself in the process, but at the same time he should have insisted that the fight go on. He looked like he wanted out and got it.
Miles your one of my favorite posters on here by far, but COME ON !Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
The ref fucked it up, and Dawson should not be proud of his "win".
I saw the first round for Hopkins, and the second was going Chad's way, but at no point was Bernard getting hurt, beat up, rocked, or dominated.
He may have milked the injury a bit, I don't know, but he was fouled, illegally picked up and slammed to the mat, and suffered an injury as a result.
Thats a DQ. Or a the least a No Contest.
The only way this decision is correct is if the ref really thinks that bernard tripped over BY HIMSELF with no help from Chad Dawson. If the ref thought that at the time then this would be correct because Bernard has hurt himself and cant continue so he loses by tko.
This clearly didnt happen and its a major fuck up by the ref.
I don't believe Chad is happy with this win. He was clearly upset and wanted to fight on. How can you say he was proud to win like this?
Oh yes I agree you could tell by his humble quiet demeanor :rolleyes:;DQuote:
Originally Posted by jabvargas24
He was proud of it talking shit, yelling carrying on and sayin how there will be no rematch.
Hopkins clearly didn't want anymore of Bad Chad so why have a part 2?Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkOh yes I agree you could tell by his humble quiet demeanor :rolleyes:;DQuote:
Originally Posted by jabvargas24
He was proud of it talking shit, yelling carrying on and sayin how there will be no rematch.
But a foul was never called and Hopkins didn't appear to be saying 'let me fight'. He was looking for the way out and the ref gave it to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkMiles your one of my favorite posters on here by far, but COME ON !Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
The ref fucked it up, and Dawson should not be proud of his "win".
I saw the first round for Hopkins, and the second was going Chad's way, but at no point was Bernard getting hurt, beat up, rocked, or dominated.
He may have milked the injury a bit, I don't know, but he was fouled, illegally picked up and slammed to the mat, and suffered an injury as a result.
Thats a DQ. Or a the least a No Contest.
I agree that the referee was flustered and didn't seem to be entirely in control, at the least I think Hopkins should have been clearly awarded 5 minutes to recuperate and that the ref should have considered the situation with a clearer head. But as it stands it wasn't called a foul and personally speaking I don't think you can blame a fighter for pushing a Ruiz type fighter off of you. Hugging and holding is one of my bugbears and Hopkins doesn't get a pass because he is old.
I thought Dawson edged a close first round and was winning the second. I saw little in Hopkins to suggest he was in any way a serious threat.
No, he was angry and pissed off. He wanted to fight. You don't have a long camp and want to see something end like that. He is angry with Hopkins and seeing as Hopkins has brittle bones I can't say I blame him. Every fight we see Hopkins flopping around in tears. "Ooh I'm 46 have some sympathy!". Retire then! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkOh yes I agree you could tell by his humble quiet demeanor :rolleyes:;DQuote:
Originally Posted by jabvargas24
He was proud of it talking shit, yelling carrying on and sayin how there will be no rematch.
Exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by milesNo, he was angry and pissed off. He wanted to fight. You don't have a long camp and want to see something end like that. He is angry with Hopkins and seeing as Hopkins has brittle bones I can't say I blame him. Every fight we see Hopkins flopping around in tears. "Ooh I'm 46 have some sympathy!". Retire then! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkOh yes I agree you could tell by his humble quiet demeanor :rolleyes:;DQuote:
Originally Posted by jabvargas24
He was proud of it talking shit, yelling carrying on and sayin how there will be no rematch.
So based on the two rounds you know how that fight was going...well a round and a half really? Damn based on that..Kostya Tszyu clearly wasnt going to beat Zab Judah.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesBut a foul was never called and Hopkins didn't appear to be saying 'let me fight'. He was looking for the way out and the ref gave it to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkMiles your one of my favorite posters on here by far, but COME ON !Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
The ref fucked it up, and Dawson should not be proud of his "win".
I saw the first round for Hopkins, and the second was going Chad's way, but at no point was Bernard getting hurt, beat up, rocked, or dominated.
He may have milked the injury a bit, I don't know, but he was fouled, illegally picked up and slammed to the mat, and suffered an injury as a result.
Thats a DQ. Or a the least a No Contest.
I agree that the referee was flustered and didn't seem to be entirely in control, at the least I think Hopkins should have been clearly awarded 5 minutes to recuperate and that the ref should have considered the situation with a clearer head. But as it stands it wasn't called a foul and personally speaking I don't think you can blame a fighter for pushing a Ruiz type fighter off of you. Hugging and holding is one of my bugbears and Hopkins doesn't get a pass because he is old.
I thought Dawson edged a close first round and was winning the second. I saw little in Hopkins to suggest he was in any way a serious threat.
Oh come on.Quote:
Originally Posted by jabvargas24Exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by milesNo, he was angry and pissed off. He wanted to fight. You don't have a long camp and want to see something end like that. He is angry with Hopkins and seeing as Hopkins has brittle bones I can't say I blame him. Every fight we see Hopkins flopping around in tears. "Ooh I'm 46 have some sympathy!". Retire then! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkOh yes I agree you could tell by his humble quiet demeanor :rolleyes:;DQuote:
Originally Posted by jabvargas24
He was proud of it talking shit, yelling carrying on and sayin how there will be no rematch.
Yeah "Bad" Chad scares everybody. He's such a bad ass he strikes fear into the bravest of men. Glen Johnson, Jean Pascal, Bernard Hopkins, Tavoris Cloud are or were all scared to death of him...
The fight had an inconclusive result, I don't think Hopkins or Dawson were dominating or in control.
Firstly I think miles is a complete idiot who seems to have an issue with black fighters and culture in general. Secondly Hopkins is not blameless but this was a clear no contest.
I think you are a silly cunt who has an issue with me generally.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
I have an issue with black fighters? Fuck right off with that kind of talk. Sure, I don't drive around listening to gangster rap, but I have no problems with black people nor black fighters. In fact I find that extremely insulting.
I am fond of a lot of black fighters and particularly love James Toney who I have always listed as one of my favourite fighters. However, I have no reason to defend myself on this issue as it is groundless hogwash.
I agree that miles is a good poster and usually gets it right but he is wrong here.
Hopkins has been diagnosed in hospital with A-C which is separation of the collar bone to the shoulder bone. This damage was done due to Dawson lifting Hopkins of the ground with both feet and throwing him to the floor. Last time I checked this was not a legal boxing move.
What the ref is saying is that it is okay to keep throwing and opponet to the floor until they cannot continue and you will be decalred winner by TKO. Everyone should therefore just go for the takedown from the start. This is not UFC. Ref messed up. This must be reversed. Worst decision Ive seen.
Finally Dawson showed zero class. He just damged the shoulder and possibly ended teh career of a boxing legend with a foul and had the audacity to swear at him after the fight was stopped. I hope Pascal owns him again.
They need to clone steve smogger n just let hom and his clones alone do all the officiating in fights and we wouldn't have to argue bout stupjd shit like this, abd booze is awesome!
If Hopkins injury is legit, then that will ultimately speak for itself. It seemed like Hopkins was playing up and that the fall wasn't particularly heavy, but if evidence is shown and Hopkins was truly injured, then ultimately I wouldn't be that bothered if the result was changed to a NC. In posting immediately after a fight nobody knows the true situation and inferences are being made ad hoc. I am not adverse to altering my viewpoint if new evidence is brought to the fore. It isn't easy for a referee to always get it right either, it is a highly difficult situation to handle.
And once again, fuck off Piye for bringing race into the debate. I think that is highly inappropriate in this thread and wrong. If I have ever made race based comments it is about white people, but only ever in talking about female preferences on the other board. That is a groundless accusation so take it back.
glad i fell asleep after the malignaggi fight! ;D
(who i would like to add, if he had decent punching power his career could have gone differently, I enjoy watching him box, very skillful)
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Miles I'll be honest I don't much like you and yes your opinions seem bigoted to me I could care less if you like Hip Hop or not, Hip Hop is a type of music but it does not define black culture.
Let's not turn this into a silly net argument but be serious when you make threads bashing a fighters ability to speak english to a standard that you deem satisfactory as you did with the David Haye thread it's very easy for you to come across as an ignorant bigot.
Fact is different people from a variety of socio economic classes make up this country of ours and the language used by these people differs for a variety of reasons heritage, culture etc
So who but a bigot would judge someone as a lesser person due to the use of slang that you are familiar with?
People like you or Nick Griffin that's who you racist.
Did father time catch up yes it did,? did this dirty fighter get what was coming to him yes he did, thank you Mr Dawson.;D:party:
just went to watch this on sky plus and the fucking thing ended in first round saying 'end of programme'
absolute monkey wank
Same thing happened to me mate fucking nightmare!don't think we missed much thow!
Just watched the last round from youtube. I don't have any bias against any of these boxers. What happened looks like an injury sustained from a non-boxing move, so whether the referee thinks that Hopkins is faking it (given his history) is irrelevent. It should have been a no decision or no contest.
One of the TV angle shows how the referee saw the fight. Look at the link at 7:27. (Hope the video hasn't been taken down when you get to it).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHOFraXlPms
Good point, chances are however, a rematch will get ordered.Quote:
Originally Posted by jabvargas24Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkOh yes I agree you could tell by his humble quiet demeanor :rolleyes:;DQuote:
Originally Posted by jabvargas24
He was proud of it talking shit, yelling carrying on and sayin how there will be no rematch.
Hopkins clearly didn't want anymore of Bad Chad so why have a part 2?
Hey, Miles, it was only round 2. They were still getting the rhythm of the fight established. it's a bit early to describe some behavior as "non-stop."Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Of course Dawson wanted Hopkins off him but that wasn't a push. It was a lift and drop - nearly a body slam.
We all saw Bernard come from behind to dominate Pascal on the rematch.. To try to even guess the outcome of that fight is idiotic. Amazingly Hopkins was doing well in the first few rounds and I say this because he usually gives them away to dominate the half and latter rounds like he did Pascal. So i felt Hopkins was doing well but no one can judge what was going to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeySo based on the two rounds you know how that fight was going...well a round and a half really? Damn based on that..Kostya Tszyu clearly wasnt going to beat Zab Judah.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesBut a foul was never called and Hopkins didn't appear to be saying 'let me fight'. He was looking for the way out and the ref gave it to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkMiles your one of my favorite posters on here by far, but COME ON !Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
The ref fucked it up, and Dawson should not be proud of his "win".
I saw the first round for Hopkins, and the second was going Chad's way, but at no point was Bernard getting hurt, beat up, rocked, or dominated.
He may have milked the injury a bit, I don't know, but he was fouled, illegally picked up and slammed to the mat, and suffered an injury as a result.
Thats a DQ. Or a the least a No Contest.
I agree that the referee was flustered and didn't seem to be entirely in control, at the least I think Hopkins should have been clearly awarded 5 minutes to recuperate and that the ref should have considered the situation with a clearer head. But as it stands it wasn't called a foul and personally speaking I don't think you can blame a fighter for pushing a Ruiz type fighter off of you. Hugging and holding is one of my bugbears and Hopkins doesn't get a pass because he is old.
I thought Dawson edged a close first round and was winning the second. I saw little in Hopkins to suggest he was in any way a serious threat.
Same thing happend to me this morning when I went to watch what had happend last night. Luckily I watched it live but had I depended on sky plus I would have been really annoyed. Sky need to sort that out. I can see how their system works and records in set times but they need to understand that live events run over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Well Miles looks like B-Hop wasn't faking the injury. At the end of the day it seems to be that people kind of somehow justify what happen yesterday night by saying "well Hopkins is a dirty fighter and had it coming". But fair is fair and what happened yesterday should at the very least be overturned to a no contest. This is boxing not wrestling or the ufc. To let a win like this occur would be a huge black eye on the sport we love. This is not about our personal likes or dislikes with the fighters. This is about what's right and and justice. NC, immediate rematch it's fair to both parties.
to say Hopkins deserved that is plain stupid.
Its been a few years but I could have sworn Miles was a Hatton fan? I thought he was maybe I'm wrong:confused: but to hear him say Hopkins the spoiler and octopus cracks me up since Hatton made a living that style.
Tko loss is not even a possibility within the boxing rules. No punches were thrown, and anyone who says Hopkins was bumming him is just an idiot. You see that sequence in Boxing all the time when fighters come together. Dawson CLEARLY and you knobs can't dispute the footage... Clearly took his left hand/glove and scooped the backside of Hopkins left knee like a wrestling takedown and shrugged him off. It was illegal!!! Now I have no problem with it.. What I have the problem with is the incompetent Ref who wrote his own rules. His job is to protect the fighters and officiate the Boxing rules. His judgement call has to be made within the guidelines. It CLEARLY wasn't it!
The injury was sustained from a non boxing move so a TKO isint even a possibility.
Spot on. The level of bias never ceases to amaze. No professional fighter deserves to "lose" like that and we need to expect more and not settle on horse shit like that no matter how much of an asshole we think a guy is. Today its a Bernard, tomorrow its your guy. The ref doesn't get to make it up on the fly. Trifling shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Piye I tolerate some things, but I will not tolerate being called a racist without any evidence being put forth to suggest as much. I'm afraid criticizing the improper usage of English by Haye just doesn't cut it as I would argue that a significant proportion of British people have poor verbal skills. However, that is not an issue of race.
Say any more silly crap like that again and I will have you reported to a Mod as I don't think it is acceptable to randomly tar people with the racist card. It is wrong to be racist and at the same time wrong to falsely accuse people. You can't cry rape just for a kick and likewise you can't just play the race card.
It is cheap and the act of a lowlife.
Miles is right here..
This scumbag bernard tried to pull another one of his conjobs.. He tried to fake himself into a DQ victory but oh well, it didnt work cuz the ref knew better..