Hopkins vs Dawson NO FOUL?!

[Gandalf]

Hopkins has done this far too often for me to have any sympathy. He has tried to cheat and screw fighters so many times and then gets upset when finally it has gone against him. If they want a rematch in 3 months, then let's have it because I am convinced it will be the last we see of BHop. He can't fight 12 rounds with Dawson.

Let's not forget why Hopkins was on his back, it was because once again he tried to man grope Chad Dawson and clinging yourself to an opponent like an octopus is not an acceptable move either. Should a fighter just allow themselves to be hugged non-stop? No, you push your opponent off and try to force a fight. Dawson was doing just that. Hopkins seems to be made of bone china with his crying in every fight. Toney falls out the ring, he gets up and the man was so big against Oquendo that it defied the laws of physics. But Hopkins falls, seems to take most of the fall on his back and lo and behold he is injured. Now where have we seen Hopkins crying on the canvas before?

The ref saw it as a spoiler hugging and getting pushed away, it's a shame that Hopkins apparently hurt himself in the process, but at the same time he should have insisted that the fight go on. He looked like he wanted out and got it.

Miles your one of my favorite posters on here by far, but COME ON !

The ref fucked it up, and Dawson should not be proud of his "win".

I saw the first round for Hopkins, and the second was going Chad's way, but at no point was Bernard getting hurt, beat up, rocked, or dominated.

He may have milked the injury a bit, I don't know, but he was fouled, illegally picked up and slammed to the mat, and suffered an injury as a result.

Thats a DQ. Or a the least a No Contest.

But a foul was never called and Hopkins didn't appear to be saying 'let me fight'. He was looking for the way out and the ref gave it to him.

I agree that the referee was flustered and didn't seem to be entirely in control, at the least I think Hopkins should have been clearly awarded 5 minutes to recuperate and that the ref should have considered the situation with a clearer head. But as it stands it wasn't called a foul and personally speaking I don't think you can blame a fighter for pushing a Ruiz type fighter off of you. Hugging and holding is one of my bugbears and Hopkins doesn't get a pass because he is old.

I thought Dawson edged a close first round and was winning the second. I saw little in Hopkins to suggest he was in any way a serious threat.

[Snakey]

Hopkins has done this far too often for me to have any sympathy. He has tried to cheat and screw fighters so many times and then gets upset when finally it has gone against him. If they want a rematch in 3 months, then let's have it because I am convinced it will be the last we see of BHop. He can't fight 12 rounds with Dawson.

Let's not forget why Hopkins was on his back, it was because once again he tried to man grope Chad Dawson and clinging yourself to an opponent like an octopus is not an acceptable move either. Should a fighter just allow themselves to be hugged non-stop? No, you push your opponent off and try to force a fight. Dawson was doing just that. Hopkins seems to be made of bone china with his crying in every fight. Toney falls out the ring, he gets up and the man was so big against Oquendo that it defied the laws of physics. But Hopkins falls, seems to take most of the fall on his back and lo and behold he is injured. Now where have we seen Hopkins crying on the canvas before?

The ref saw it as a spoiler hugging and getting pushed away, it's a shame that Hopkins apparently hurt himself in the process, but at the same time he should have insisted that the fight go on. He looked like he wanted out and got it.

Miles your one of my favorite posters on here by far, but COME ON !

The ref fucked it up, and Dawson should not be proud of his "win".

I saw the first round for Hopkins, and the second was going Chad's way, but at no point was Bernard getting hurt, beat up, rocked, or dominated.

He may have milked the injury a bit, I don't know, but he was fouled, illegally picked up and slammed to the mat, and suffered an injury as a result.

Thats a DQ. Or a the least a No Contest.

But a foul was never called and Hopkins didn't appear to be saying 'let me fight'. He was looking for the way out and the ref gave it to him.

I agree that the referee was flustered and didn't seem to be entirely in control, at the least I think Hopkins should have been clearly awarded 5 minutes to recuperate and that the ref should have considered the situation with a clearer head. But as it stands it wasn't called a foul and personally speaking I don't think you can blame a fighter for pushing a Ruiz type fighter off of you. Hugging and holding is one of my bugbears and Hopkins doesn't get a pass because he is old.

I thought Dawson edged a close first round and was winning the second. I saw little in Hopkins to suggest he was in any way a serious threat.

So based on the two rounds you know how that fight was going...well a round and a half really? Damn based on that..Kostya Tszyu clearly wasnt going to beat Zab Judah.

[outspoken]

Hopkins has done this far too often for me to have any sympathy. He has tried to cheat and screw fighters so many times and then gets upset when finally it has gone against him. If they want a rematch in 3 months, then let's have it because I am convinced it will be the last we see of BHop. He can't fight 12 rounds with Dawson.

Let's not forget why Hopkins was on his back, it was because once again he tried to man grope Chad Dawson and clinging yourself to an opponent like an octopus is not an acceptable move either. Should a fighter just allow themselves to be hugged non-stop? No, you push your opponent off and try to force a fight. Dawson was doing just that. Hopkins seems to be made of bone china with his crying in every fight. Toney falls out the ring, he gets up and the man was so big against Oquendo that it defied the laws of physics. But Hopkins falls, seems to take most of the fall on his back and lo and behold he is injured. Now where have we seen Hopkins crying on the canvas before?

The ref saw it as a spoiler hugging and getting pushed away, it's a shame that Hopkins apparently hurt himself in the process, but at the same time he should have insisted that the fight go on. He looked like he wanted out and got it.

Miles your one of my favorite posters on here by far, but COME ON !

The ref fucked it up, and Dawson should not be proud of his "win".

I saw the first round for Hopkins, and the second was going Chad's way, but at no point was Bernard getting hurt, beat up, rocked, or dominated.

He may have milked the injury a bit, I don't know, but he was fouled, illegally picked up and slammed to the mat, and suffered an injury as a result.

Thats a DQ. Or a the least a No Contest.

But a foul was never called and Hopkins didn't appear to be saying 'let me fight'. He was looking for the way out and the ref gave it to him.

I agree that the referee was flustered and didn't seem to be entirely in control, at the least I think Hopkins should have been clearly awarded 5 minutes to recuperate and that the ref should have considered the situation with a clearer head. But as it stands it wasn't called a foul and personally speaking I don't think you can blame a fighter for pushing a Ruiz type fighter off of you. Hugging and holding is one of my bugbears and Hopkins doesn't get a pass because he is old.

I thought Dawson edged a close first round and was winning the second. I saw little in Hopkins to suggest he was in any way a serious threat.

So based on the two rounds you know how that fight was going...well a round and a half really? Damn based on that..Kostya Tszyu clearly wasnt going to beat Zab Judah.

We all saw Bernard come from behind to dominate Pascal on the rematch.. To try to even guess the outcome of that fight is idiotic. Amazingly Hopkins was doing well in the first few rounds and I say this because he usually gives them away to dominate the half and latter rounds like he did Pascal. So i felt Hopkins was doing well but no one can judge what was going to happen.

[outspoken]

Well Miles looks like B-Hop wasn't faking the injury. At the end of the day it seems to be that people kind of somehow justify what happen yesterday night by saying "well Hopkins is a dirty fighter and had it coming". But fair is fair and what happened yesterday should at the very least be overturned to a no contest. This is boxing not wrestling or the ufc. To let a win like this occur would be a huge black eye on the sport we love. This is not about our personal likes or dislikes with the fighters. This is about what's right and and justice. NC, immediate rematch it's fair to both parties.

[JT Rock]

to say Hopkins deserved that is plain stupid.

Its been a few years but I could have sworn Miles was a Hatton fan? I thought he was maybe I'm wrong but to hear him say Hopkins the spoiler and octopus cracks me up since Hatton made a living that style.

Tko loss is not even a possibility within the boxing rules. No punches were thrown, and anyone who says Hopkins was bumming him is just an idiot. You see that sequence in Boxing all the time when fighters come together. Dawson CLEARLY and you knobs can't dispute the footage... Clearly took his left hand/glove and scooped the backside of Hopkins left knee like a wrestling takedown and shrugged him off. It was illegal!!! Now I have no problem with it.. What I have the problem with is the incompetent Ref who wrote his own rules. His job is to protect the fighters and officiate the Boxing rules. His judgement call has to be made within the guidelines. It CLEARLY wasn't it!

The injury was sustained from a non boxing move so a TKO isint even a possibility.

[Spicoli]

to say Hopkins deserved that is plain stupid.

Its been a few years but I could have sworn Miles was a Hatton fan? I thought he was maybe I'm wrong but to hear him say Hopkins the spoiler and octopus cracks me up since Hatton made a living that style.

Tko loss is not even a possibility within the boxing rules. No punches were thrown, and anyone who says Hopkins was bumming him is just an idiot. You see that sequence in Boxing all the time when fighters come together. Dawson CLEARLY and you knobs can't dispute the footage... Clearly took his left hand/glove and scooped the backside of Hopkins left knee like a wrestling takedown and shrugged him off. It was illegal!!! Now I have no problem with it.. What I have the problem with is the incompetent Ref who wrote his own rules. His job is to protect the fighters and officiate the Boxing rules. His judgement call has to be made within the guidelines. It CLEARLY wasn't it!

The injury was sustained from a non boxing move so a TKO isint even a possibility.

Spot on. The level of bias never ceases to amaze. No professional fighter deserves to "lose" like that and we need to expect more and not settle on horse shit like that no matter how much of an asshole we think a guy is. Today its a Bernard, tomorrow its your guy. The ref doesn't get to make it up on the fly. Trifling shit.

[Gandalf]

Piye I tolerate some things, but I will not tolerate being called a racist without any evidence being put forth to suggest as much. I'm afraid criticizing the improper usage of English by Haye just doesn't cut it as I would argue that a significant proportion of British people have poor verbal skills. However, that is not an issue of race.

Say any more silly crap like that again and I will have you reported to a Mod as I don't think it is acceptable to randomly tar people with the racist card. It is wrong to be racist and at the same time wrong to falsely accuse people. You can't cry rape just for a kick and likewise you can't just play the race card.

It is cheap and the act of a lowlife.

[piye]

Firstly I think miles is a complete idiot who seems to have an issue with black fighters and culture in general. Secondly Hopkins is not blameless but this was a clear no contest.

[Gandalf]

Firstly I think miles is a complete idiot who seems to have an issue with black fighters and culture in general. Secondly Hopkins is not blameless but this was a clear no contest.

I think you are a silly cunt who has an issue with me generally.

I have an issue with black fighters? Fuck right off with that kind of talk. Sure, I don't drive around listening to gangster rap, but I have no problems with black people nor black fighters. In fact I find that extremely insulting.

I am fond of a lot of black fighters and particularly love James Toney who I have always listed as one of my favourite fighters. However, I have no reason to defend myself on this issue as it is groundless hogwash.

[GAME]

I agree that miles is a good poster and usually gets it right but he is wrong here.

Hopkins has been diagnosed in hospital with A-C which is separation of the collar bone to the shoulder bone. This damage was done due to Dawson lifting Hopkins of the ground with both feet and throwing him to the floor. Last time I checked this was not a legal boxing move.

What the ref is saying is that it is okay to keep throwing and opponet to the floor until they cannot continue and you will be decalred winner by TKO. Everyone should therefore just go for the takedown from the start. This is not UFC. Ref messed up. This must be reversed. Worst decision Ive seen.

Finally Dawson showed zero class. He just damged the shoulder and possibly ended teh career of a boxing legend with a foul and had the audacity to swear at him after the fight was stopped. I hope Pascal owns him again.

[Gandalf]

If Hopkins injury is legit, then that will ultimately speak for itself. It seemed like Hopkins was playing up and that the fall wasn't particularly heavy, but if evidence is shown and Hopkins was truly injured, then ultimately I wouldn't be that bothered if the result was changed to a NC. In posting immediately after a fight nobody knows the true situation and inferences are being made ad hoc. I am not adverse to altering my viewpoint if new evidence is brought to the fore. It isn't easy for a referee to always get it right either, it is a highly difficult situation to handle.

And once again, fuck off Piye for bringing race into the debate. I think that is highly inappropriate in this thread and wrong. If I have ever made race based comments it is about white people, but only ever in talking about female preferences on the other board. That is a groundless accusation so take it back.

[armyash]

glad i fell asleep after the malignaggi fight!

(who i would like to add, if he had decent punching power his career could have gone differently, I enjoy watching him box, very skillful)

[piye]

Twitter

Miles I'll be honest I don't much like you and yes your opinions seem bigoted to me I could care less if you like Hip Hop or not, Hip Hop is a type of music but it does not define black culture.

Let's not turn this into a silly net argument but be serious when you make threads bashing a fighters ability to speak english to a standard that you deem satisfactory as you did with the David Haye thread it's very easy for you to come across as an ignorant bigot.

Fact is different people from a variety of socio economic classes make up this country of ours and the language used by these people differs for a variety of reasons heritage, culture etc

So who but a bigot would judge someone as a lesser person due to the use of slang that you are familiar with?

People like you or Nick Griffin that's who you racist.

[Dia bando]

Did father time catch up yes it did,? did this dirty fighter get what was coming to him yes he did, thank you Mr Dawson.

[Mark TKO]

just went to watch this on sky plus and the fucking thing ended in first round saying 'end of programme'

absolute monkey wank