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Was this fight about level's Cleverly going down to his or Bellew going up to his ? I do think Cleverly made hard work, of the fight but he did beat him. And fairplay to Bellew he gave it a go all round it was a good fight, well done to both fighter's. Not like Dawson and B Hopp what a load of CRAP.;D:sheep:
It was a crackin fight mate
I really enjoyed the degale fight before it too
Clev definately won, i think enzo mac was being kind to bellew giving him a few of the rounds he did, one round clev dominated and bellew seemed to land the best punch and he gve it him on that, looking back the replay the punch didnt really land that well
Not taking anything away from bellew tho, i like him, he built up the fight really well and when he got in there performed a lot better than i thought he would and showed a lot of guts
There was nothing Cleverly had done before that put him far above Bellew's "level"
Good fight. Thought Bellew nicked it (I backed him so might have been a tad biased).
Even Bellew knew he'd lost it but what a fight. Credit to them both and there's no reason why Bellew cant go on to win a version of the world title too then rematch down the line in a unification maybe.
Yes it was a good fight and i think Cleverly need's some more learning fight's, same go's for Degale as he made hard going of his fight. but what a good night's boxing for us fan's.;D:appl:
I had Bellew up 7-5, but I can easily see either way or a draw. Fight of the night no doubt. I hope they do it again.
Yes it was a good fight let's hope they have a rematch.;D
I had it to Bellow 7 - 5, think Bellow was a lot better than we thought.
It take's 2 to make a good fight Bellew, done a lot better than i thought most people though it was going to be a walk in the park. And so did i but i was wrong.;D:sheep:
I thought Bellew won it, was shocked when they give it to Clev.
117-112 was a total p1$$ take thought? Couldn't see anyway they could give that score for clev last night.
Had Cleverly by 2 rounds but not much in it.;D:sheep:
It would be interesting to see which rounds people thought bellew won
7 seems very excessive
Bellew fought very well and showed great heart and courage but I dont think Clev fought as well as he could have.
For all his hight and reach Clev always gives away this advantage but going toe to toe.
Think Clev needs a few more learning fights before going up against the big names of the division.
I thought Bellew was winning most rounds, but then if you watch the replays, all the combos that made the crowd go crazy, didn't actually land.
If you score on aggression, Bellew all the way, but if you look again, all the good shots came from Cleverly.
It certainly didn't seem like a world vs national level fighter. Cleverley is good, but his chin is there to be hit a bit easy
DeGale was a good fight, I'd like to see Groves fight the other guy, would be a war. The guy could bang though and DeGale needs some wars.
I think Cleverly need's to box more he can do but, he doe's like to go toe to toe 2 or 3 more learning fight's also he did block a lot of Bellew 's shot's.;D
Good seems like there were a few others who had it 7-5 for bellew, which is what I had as well. They should rematch down the line at some point...as long as both stay away from the top dogs for a while, cause neither is ready.
I just watched it again sober (well sort of) and without pound notes in my eyes.
Still think Bellew won. Just.
It was very close. It could have gone either way. It was within one or two rounds. Great tear up. Other than Bernard Hopkins' fight, it was a solid night of boxing. Cleverly needs to remain domestic though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Just give him a bit more time a few more fights,i do think he has the class to be a good champ but only time will tell.;D:sheep:
Clevely is a good champQuote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
dont forget it was his first really big fight and he fought away from home in a hostile atmosphere and bellew really did fight out of his skin
i also think that clev tried to curb the hard man approach too, in previous fights if he had have been hit with some of the shots bellew hit him with he would have piled in
I had Bellew winning it 7-5 i think. Dave Parris must have been on crack to score it to Clev by 5 rounds. Cracking fight though and it could have gone either way. I hope they do it again. Bellew proved himself big time. Felt really bad for him at the end. He was gutted.
I may watch it again later. I had it about as even as you could have it, maybe just gave Clev a 1 round edge.
I will get to the rematch i hope, and it was a hard fight to score Bellew done well but i had Cleverly winning not by much. so what about the rematch?;D
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Originally Posted by ono
honestly man it was closer to 5 rounds up to clev than bellew winning it
he did well rounds 2-4 and then another one he edged but appart from that you had to be very kind to give him a round
some of the rounds he looked good in parts but if you asses the whole round then its there isnt much case
one example its where he landed a straight right on the ropes, i think he hit him with a right hook during the same exchange, the commontators were going mad about the punch and rightly so, enzo mac scored the round for bellew, but if you watch the round back clev did much more over the 3 minutes
To me it looked like a draw. If you count the amount of punches landed in the round as the way of deciding who won. But like most people have said, it could have gone either way. Lots of respect for Bellew, his sparring with froch has definatly improved his skill. He deserves his rankng and could fight Zsolt Erdie or Karo Murat next. Clev needs more work before he fights Dawson, Bernard or Pascal.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
honestly man it was closer to 5 rounds up to clev than bellew winning it
he did well rounds 2-4 and then another one he edged but appart from that you had to be very kind to give him a round
some of the rounds he looked good in parts but if you asses the whole round then its there isnt much case
one example its where he landed a straight right on the ropes, i think he hit him with a right hook during the same exchange, the commontators were going mad about the punch and rightly so, enzo mac scored the round for bellew, but if you watch the round back clev did much more over the 3 minutes
Are you just hypothetically saying he could fight those guys or have there been suggestions that he will? I must say I don't think he's ready for Zsolt Erdei at all yet. Neither of them are.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeightonTo me it looked like a draw. If you count the amount of punches landed in the round as the way of deciding who won. But like most people have said, it could have gone either way. Lots of respect for Bellew, his sparring with froch has definatly improved his skill. He deserves his rankng and could fight Zsolt Erdie or Karo Murat next. Clev needs more work before he fights Dawson, Bernard or Pascal.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
honestly man it was closer to 5 rounds up to clev than bellew winning it
he did well rounds 2-4 and then another one he edged but appart from that you had to be very kind to give him a round
some of the rounds he looked good in parts but if you asses the whole round then its there isnt much case
one example its where he landed a straight right on the ropes, i think he hit him with a right hook during the same exchange, the commontators were going mad about the punch and rightly so, enzo mac scored the round for bellew, but if you watch the round back clev did much more over the 3 minutes
Cleverly is the classic example of a guy who isnt the best in his division, he cant punch and is easy to hit.
Champions of the past would eat him alive.
was a good fight tho.
Nathan Cleverly reminds me of a poor man's version of Joe Calzaghe.
Nathan Cleverly get hit too much for my liking. He had a great chin but he stands too square on and loves a scrap and makes all his fights a war on attrition. This is exciting to watch but is very predictable and a smart boxer like Dawson and even B Hop would out box him with relative ease. Cleverly cannot always rely on his fitness and conditioning to win him the fights.
He is still learning but i still think he is a good fighter, did Hatton get hit a lot yes so he did allright and i can't see why he can't do the same.I think he is more of a boxer no need for him to go toe to toe, is it to please the fan's? may be i wish him well.;D:sheep:
Hatton had a better defence and more power , like master says he cant win on heart and fitness all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
You have to say he is still not a bad fighter, and it was a good fight?and would you like to se the rematch i know I would.As boxing fan's that's what we all whant good fight's hell i have;D seen load's of bad one's
I think that Bellow is actually more skilled than Clev, he fights far better from the outside and he has sick power. I think his natural weight is prob above what he was at on saturday, but that just makes his power all the more deadly.
Although I think the heart and fitness of Clev could help him to beat some good national fighters, he's not top notch though I agree with you all on that one.
If Bellow can motivate himself like this in every fight he can easily win a European title at the least.
Cleverly usually has a tear up , this doesnt make for a long career when u have limited power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Maybe you are underestimating his powerQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlCleverly usually has a tear up , this doesnt make for a long career when u have limited power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
His ko ratio isnt amazing but its improving, he turned pro very young and was a boy fighting men, he is getting his man strength now, hasnt koed 7 of his last 10 or something?
I do think he need's more fight's? but he has a good chin and he is a lot better boxer than you think, why not give him some support, give credit to both fighter's and fight's like that one only do the sport GOOD.;D:sheep:
if you havent already mate, you will realise that there will be a cracking fight for a world title like on saturday night and the next day on this forum you wont read about how good they are but how good they arent and why the wont make it to the top :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Here are a few thing's i know about Cleverly, a few year's back, he beat a lad from my son's old club in the first round and he became Welsh ABA Champ. So back then i new this lad would be something and i was right.Enzo and Joe said then he was one to watch and the best lad, in the gym,and they were right and he is the WBO Champ not bad for his age, yes a lot to learn but so do we all.;D:sheep: