All killed recently.
But made me think, all this uprising and ending of dictators, is it being engineered by the super powers, not for human rights issues, but for ease of oil control.
Conspiracy theorists, do your thing.....
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All killed recently.
But made me think, all this uprising and ending of dictators, is it being engineered by the super powers, not for human rights issues, but for ease of oil control.
Conspiracy theorists, do your thing.....
I was trying to stay away from all this as I think it is all too cynical, but needless to say, I think Gaddaffi was murdered in cold blood just like Bin Laden. It was murder and the person who fired the bullet should be put away for life. I have no sympathy for Gadaffi, but do have a slanted respect. No man deserves a bullet in the head after being captured as a POW. It was murder without trial and we are seeing it all too often now.
I think it was Chomsky who recently said that Bush tortured people, but Obama just kills them. There is little doubt that the Obama administration is happy that there will be no trial and the former Labour government too. All too convenient that he has been so easily silenced when he was so visibly alive.
I think the murder was appalling and he was clearly murdered as a POW which was totally against the Geneva Conventions. Obama, Bush and Blair are all criminals according to Nuremburg and yet all these small time crooks are the ones getting it in the head.
The intentions and hopes are oil, but if they can touch it or not is another matter. I think the people of the world are smarter than all of this powerplay though, the protests are starting and I believe it won't end anytime soon.
These are intriguing times and I have been inviting them for a while now.
Say what you will about Muammar Gaddhaffi, he may have been a tyrannical dictator but he was also a style icon.
Now if we can only get rid of Obama then everything will be moving in the right direction!
I won't be happy until a US President has his head cut off. And I mean it and they deserve it. I will wait, but I won't take pictures as I don't care for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Well the favorites to seat at the head of the GOP are all fruitcakes (especially Romney), as Ron Paul has no chances, I sure prefer Obama than all the others at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
How is Romney a "fruitcake"?Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessWell the favorites to seat at the head of the GOP are all fruitcakes (especially Romney), as Ron Paul has no chances, I sure prefer Obama than all the others at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Herman Cain is the man! Here I am, rock ya like a Herman Cain!!!
I'm desperately hoping Ron Paul somehow pulls it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongHow is Romney a "fruitcake"?Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessWell the favorites to seat at the head of the GOP are all fruitcakes (especially Romney), as Ron Paul has no chances, I sure prefer Obama than all the others at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Herman Cain is the man! Here I am, rock ya like a Herman Cain!!!
I might even root for the Republican in the election if that is the case :o
Obama has already come out and had a little dance to celebrate his death. Openly happy about it.
I'm sure a few years ago they shared a sheep, or something like that.
The problem Gadaffi had is that he was stuck in his ways, running his country the only way he knew how. That's how it had always been, the person before him was probably no different.
I know he was a horrible cunt, but as far as he was concerned it was his country and he owned everyone and everything in it. Human Rights did not exist to him, he did what ever he wanted in his country. The problem then came when others started interfering in what he did.
40 years ago he would have shot some traitors and that would have been in it. No revolt, no help from the big boys.
:) Regarding your first post:Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
If we have gone there, over human rights and a dictatorship, then do you think we will be going into Nth Korea now that the war in Iraq is officially over and the troops are coming home? Because thats been proven a dictatorship that has weapons of mass destruction and its lower class civilians are worked into the ground, murdered starved and worked to death outside of their show city.
"Better the evil you know than the one you don't" has seen us excuse many a travesty. Good that they are worm food but make no mistake what fills the void will be watched like a hawk, or an eagle.
North Korea will never be dealt with because there are no resources there. We don't care about human rights nor political freedoms.
Miles - you are off your fucking tits mate!
Who gives a shit if people like gadaffi, hussein and binladen take a bullet. For me its too quick...just a shame they were not left to a pack of people wanting revenge for all the hurt they have caused.
Me personally - i would have loved to keep them alive for 3 days, pins in the eyes, thumbscrews, hammers on the toes - giving them blood transfusions to keep the heart pumping and shots of adrenaline to keep them alive and feeling the pain.
Then again - where things like this are concerned i have a bit of a mean streak ;D
Just please spare me the human rights utter horeshit - it bores the fuck out of me. Murdered in cold blood..pah...I would say in the case of binladen and co and eye for an eye could never be more deserving. If i could i would curl one down on their graves!
Gadaffi Cunt, trying to instigate an African Gold reserve, cheeky Bastard ;D
How does that make you any different from them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Munkymagic
Because i don't kill innocent peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHHow does that make you any different from them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Munkymagic
I'm certain they didn't feel the people they were killing were innocent either.Quote:
Originally Posted by MunkymagicBecause i don't kill innocent peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHHow does that make you any different from them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Munkymagic
But they were innocentQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHI'm certain they didn't feel the people they were killing were innocent either.Quote:
Originally Posted by MunkymagicBecause i don't kill innocent peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHHow does that make you any different from them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Munkymagic
If you are to apply the brutal finish then it should apply equally to both sides. Bush, Obama, Blair et al are guilty of significantly more human rights abuses than the likes of Saddam, Bin Laden or Gaddafi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munkymagic
We seem to turn our heads at the abuses committed by our leaders. Total double standards.
Some of them certainly were. Some were probably guilty of what they were accused of and thus their sentence was quite justified in the eyes of the person(s) who ordered it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MunkymagicBut they were innocentQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHI'm certain they didn't feel the people they were killing were innocent either.Quote:
Originally Posted by MunkymagicBecause i don't kill innocent peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHHow does that make you any different from them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Munkymagic
I'm not trying to argue that those who are tortured by depots deserve their fate, only that such abuses are wrong regardless of how guilty the person handing out the sentence considers the victim.
We elect these people into parliament and power. Not sure how you can say Blair and co are guilty of more human rights abuses than those 3. Blair has never ordered the killing of thousands of innocent civilians, neither has Bush despite what a twat he is. What atrocities have Blair and co committed?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesIf you are to apply the brutal finish then it should apply equally to both sides. Bush, Obama, Blair et al are guilty of significantly more human rights abuses than the likes of Saddam, Bin Laden or Gaddafi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munkymagic
We seem to turn our heads at the abuses committed by our leaders. Total double standards.
How about the wars we have been in for the last 10 years or so?Quote:
Originally Posted by MunkymagicWe elect these people into parliament and power. Not sure how you can say Blair and co are guilty of more human rights abuses than those 3. Blair has never ordered the killing of thousands of innocent civilians, neither has Bush despite what a twat he is. What atrocities have Blair and co committed?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesIf you are to apply the brutal finish then it should apply equally to both sides. Bush, Obama, Blair et al are guilty of significantly more human rights abuses than the likes of Saddam, Bin Laden or Gaddafi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munkymagic
We seem to turn our heads at the abuses committed by our leaders. Total double standards.
Cluster bombing towns, massive civillian casualties. That's just the things we know about.
I can promise you that there have been many other orders to kill people that we have no idea of.
That said, the dictators mentioned were evil orrible men and deserved everything they got.
I take your point on the civilian casulaties during war to a degree BUT to even put these into the same area of conversation as the 911 attacks or Lockerbie does not wash with me. Your next points about killing we know nothing about veer into the realms of conspiracy theories. I refuse to believe that Bush or Blair are inherently evil men unlike those 3 mentioned...as you say they were bad motherfuckers who deserved everything they got. Nasty cunts who have never done an ounce of good for anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0How about the wars we have been in for the last 10 years or so?Quote:
Originally Posted by MunkymagicWe elect these people into parliament and power. Not sure how you can say Blair and co are guilty of more human rights abuses than those 3. Blair has never ordered the killing of thousands of innocent civilians, neither has Bush despite what a twat he is. What atrocities have Blair and co committed?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesIf you are to apply the brutal finish then it should apply equally to both sides. Bush, Obama, Blair et al are guilty of significantly more human rights abuses than the likes of Saddam, Bin Laden or Gaddafi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munkymagic
We seem to turn our heads at the abuses committed by our leaders. Total double standards.
Cluster bombing towns, massive civillian casualties. That's just the things we know about.
I can promise you that there have been many other orders to kill people that we have no idea of.
That said, the dictators mentioned were evil orrible men and deserved everything they got.
I'm with Munky on thisQuote:
Originally Posted by MunkymagicI take your point on the civilian casulaties during war to a degree BUT to even put these into the same area of conversation as the 911 attacks or Lockerbie does not wash with me. Your next points about killing we know nothing about veer into the realms of conspiracy theories. I refuse to believe that Bush or Blair are inherently evil men unlike those 3 mentioned...as you say they were bad motherfuckers who deserved everything they got. Nasty cunts who have never done an ounce of good for anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0How about the wars we have been in for the last 10 years or so?Quote:
Originally Posted by MunkymagicWe elect these people into parliament and power. Not sure how you can say Blair and co are guilty of more human rights abuses than those 3. Blair has never ordered the killing of thousands of innocent civilians, neither has Bush despite what a twat he is. What atrocities have Blair and co committed?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesIf you are to apply the brutal finish then it should apply equally to both sides. Bush, Obama, Blair et al are guilty of significantly more human rights abuses than the likes of Saddam, Bin Laden or Gaddafi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munkymagic
We seem to turn our heads at the abuses committed by our leaders. Total double standards.
Cluster bombing towns, massive civillian casualties. That's just the things we know about.
I can promise you that there have been many other orders to kill people that we have no idea of.
That said, the dictators mentioned were evil orrible men and deserved everything they got.
They are war criminals who are responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of civilians. Now we could never accuse Bin Laden of the crime of full blown invasion of a sovereign state and the consequent slaughter of countless individuals. And let's not forget the use of torture and methods such as rendition.Quote:
Originally Posted by MunkymagicWe elect these people into parliament and power. Not sure how you can say Blair and co are guilty of more human rights abuses than those 3. Blair has never ordered the killing of thousands of innocent civilians, neither has Bush despite what a twat he is. What atrocities have Blair and co committed?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesIf you are to apply the brutal finish then it should apply equally to both sides. Bush, Obama, Blair et al are guilty of significantly more human rights abuses than the likes of Saddam, Bin Laden or Gaddafi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munkymagic
We seem to turn our heads at the abuses committed by our leaders. Total double standards.
On those scales Bush and Blair dwarf anything someone like Gaddafi has ever done. And let's not fool ourselves regarding elections. The British public was firmly against the war in Iraq. Now where was democracy then? Democracy is a sham, a vote once every 5 years and then being ignored is not democracy.
On another note, apparently Gaddhaffi was sodomized with an AK47 before he was killed.....so I would assume that he would have rather been caught by the US or maybe taken out by Seals.
Miles, you do LOVE to bellyache about "war crimes"...what DON'T you consider a war crime???
Quite a general question, Lyle. I refuse to offer the argument of 'we are the superpower therefore we do what we want' as a suitable defense though.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Why is it so hard for you to ever accept criticism of your nation's absolutely horrific foreign policy strategies? Military and economic pillage since WW2 and unless you bend down and take it up the bum, they will get you, but preferably if you are poor and can't really fight back.
People don't dislike America because they are jealous of any freedoms, they dislike America because it is a noisy and violent bully with no respect for anyone else.
You say no to America and they will bomb you into the 3rd world. They invade sovereign nations and have the gaul to state that Gaddafi's death is a warning to all dictators. So what about the dictators that the US government actively supports? What happened to the protests in Bahrain for instance?
The US elite offers nothing but empty false gestures and actively supports repression as we have seen with the continued support of Israel and the support of dictators worldwide.
And America is a democracy? Sure, it is. You can vote once every five years for two parties and both represent largely the same evil. In many respects Obama himself is a dictator. We just use more subtle methods in the west and actively torture those at places like Guantanamo or 'secret' locations scattered around the world.
No contradictions whatsoever. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by 0james0
Either was im happy all three are dead.
How do we know that these three men were, in fact, evil, horrible tyrants? Because a bunch of dishonest, greedy liars told us so? Maybe it is true, but I know that my opinion of the Bush/Reagan/Obama/Clinton cabal isn't any higher.
I find it interesting how when Sadam and Gadaffi were killed there would be all kinds of video footage, pictures, etc. showing the validity of their deaths. But when Osama was “killed” there is no evidence what so ever. All we know is that “oopsie! We droped his body into the ocean”.
Been denied a visa entry huh? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by milesQuite a general question, Lyle. I refuse to offer the argument of 'we are the superpower therefore we do what we want' as a suitable defense though.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Why is it so hard for you to ever accept criticism of your nation's absolutely horrific foreign policy strategies? Military and economic pillage since WW2 and unless you bend down and take it up the bum, they will get you, but preferably if you are poor and can't really fight back.
People don't dislike America because they are jealous of any freedoms, they dislike America because it is a noisy and violent bully with no respect for anyone else.
You say no to America and they will bomb you into the 3rd world. They invade sovereign nations and have the gaul to state that Gaddafi's death is a warning to all dictators. So what about the dictators that the US government actively supports? What happened to the protests in Bahrain for instance?
The US elite offers nothing but empty false gestures and actively supports repression as we have seen with the continued support of Israel and the support of dictators worldwide.
And America is a democracy? Sure, it is. You can vote once every five years for two parties and both represent largely the same evil. In many respects Obama himself is a dictator. We just use more subtle methods in the west and actively torture those at places like Guantanamo or 'secret' locations scattered around the world.
No contradictions whatsoever. :rolleyes:
No, not really. I wouldn't mind visiting America actually and believe that about half the country shares my kind of views. Obviously a lot of hicksville places I should avoid. The gay bars would welcome me with open arms.Quote:
Originally Posted by GhostBeen denied a visa entry huh? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by milesQuite a general question, Lyle. I refuse to offer the argument of 'we are the superpower therefore we do what we want' as a suitable defense though.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Why is it so hard for you to ever accept criticism of your nation's absolutely horrific foreign policy strategies? Military and economic pillage since WW2 and unless you bend down and take it up the bum, they will get you, but preferably if you are poor and can't really fight back.
People don't dislike America because they are jealous of any freedoms, they dislike America because it is a noisy and violent bully with no respect for anyone else.
You say no to America and they will bomb you into the 3rd world. They invade sovereign nations and have the gaul to state that Gaddafi's death is a warning to all dictators. So what about the dictators that the US government actively supports? What happened to the protests in Bahrain for instance?
The US elite offers nothing but empty false gestures and actively supports repression as we have seen with the continued support of Israel and the support of dictators worldwide.
And America is a democracy? Sure, it is. You can vote once every five years for two parties and both represent largely the same evil. In many respects Obama himself is a dictator. We just use more subtle methods in the west and actively torture those at places like Guantanamo or 'secret' locations scattered around the world.
No contradictions whatsoever. :rolleyes:
It's slightly off-topic, but I absolutely love visiting the States.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesNo, not really. I wouldn't mind visiting America actually and believe that about half the country shares my kind of views. Obviously a lot of hicksville places I should avoid. The gay bars would welcome me with open arms.Quote:
Originally Posted by GhostBeen denied a visa entry huh? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by milesQuite a general question, Lyle. I refuse to offer the argument of 'we are the superpower therefore we do what we want' as a suitable defense though.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Why is it so hard for you to ever accept criticism of your nation's absolutely horrific foreign policy strategies? Military and economic pillage since WW2 and unless you bend down and take it up the bum, they will get you, but preferably if you are poor and can't really fight back.
People don't dislike America because they are jealous of any freedoms, they dislike America because it is a noisy and violent bully with no respect for anyone else.
You say no to America and they will bomb you into the 3rd world. They invade sovereign nations and have the gaul to state that Gaddafi's death is a warning to all dictators. So what about the dictators that the US government actively supports? What happened to the protests in Bahrain for instance?
The US elite offers nothing but empty false gestures and actively supports repression as we have seen with the continued support of Israel and the support of dictators worldwide.
And America is a democracy? Sure, it is. You can vote once every five years for two parties and both represent largely the same evil. In many respects Obama himself is a dictator. We just use more subtle methods in the west and actively torture those at places like Guantanamo or 'secret' locations scattered around the world.
No contradictions whatsoever. :rolleyes:
....No doubt to convert more communists.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHIt's slightly off-topic, but I absolutely love visiting the States.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesNo, not really. I wouldn't mind visiting America actually and believe that about half the country shares my kind of views. Obviously a lot of hicksville places I should avoid. The gay bars would welcome me with open arms.Quote:
Originally Posted by GhostBeen denied a visa entry huh? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by milesQuite a general question, Lyle. I refuse to offer the argument of 'we are the superpower therefore we do what we want' as a suitable defense though.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Why is it so hard for you to ever accept criticism of your nation's absolutely horrific foreign policy strategies? Military and economic pillage since WW2 and unless you bend down and take it up the bum, they will get you, but preferably if you are poor and can't really fight back.
People don't dislike America because they are jealous of any freedoms, they dislike America because it is a noisy and violent bully with no respect for anyone else.
You say no to America and they will bomb you into the 3rd world. They invade sovereign nations and have the gaul to state that Gaddafi's death is a warning to all dictators. So what about the dictators that the US government actively supports? What happened to the protests in Bahrain for instance?
The US elite offers nothing but empty false gestures and actively supports repression as we have seen with the continued support of Israel and the support of dictators worldwide.
And America is a democracy? Sure, it is. You can vote once every five years for two parties and both represent largely the same evil. In many respects Obama himself is a dictator. We just use more subtle methods in the west and actively torture those at places like Guantanamo or 'secret' locations scattered around the world.
No contradictions whatsoever. :rolleyes: