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Let me preface this by saying that Kid Chocolate for all intent and purposes seems like a pretty nice guy, but I know some boxing fans out there are very excited about his potential. I just watched his fight against Brinkley and I'm not convinced. At least in that fight, he seemed a bit robotic and relatively one dimensional. His footwork was lacking and he didn't threw much more than a one two. What are his main attributes other than his punching power?
I see the TRUTH... but i can't get into details right now cuz my girl is giving me shit.. lol
I'm with Finito, dude is very good, decent power in both hands, tall & aggressive, hasn't really been babied on the way up. Not much of an amateur background though
Good boxer with plenty of potential but has got a lot of work to do to get to world level!!
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
I definitely see the power. I'm questioning what else there is to him. As far as his competition, it hasn't really been that good. He hasn't beat a Danny Jacobs or a Fernando Guerrero level middleweight. I would have been impressed if he had fought and beat Ishe Smith. McEwan isn't a bad test though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
I'd say McEwan is a notch better than Smith and Guerrero, seeing how Guerrero barely made it past SmithQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratI definitely see the power. I'm questioning what else there is to him. As far as his competition, it hasn't really been that good. He hasn't beat a Danny Jacobs or a Fernando Guerrero level middleweight. I would have been impressed if he had fought and beat Ishe Smith. McEwan isn't a bad test though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
He's an incredible athlete though his fight vs Brinkley may not have shown off that skill. He's now with Freddy Roach, he's got decent handspeed, good stamina, good pop in both hands and a good attitude. He wants to prove himself but he's not arrogant.
He should do well vs McEwan. If he wins that we may be talking about fights vs Super 6 contenders, Bute, it paves the way for big things.
He was offered the fight against Bute before Johnson and Quillin declined to face Bute (it was well-publicized at the time). Quillin's reason was that he wanted to be a middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
As I'm sure you know El Kabong, being an incredible athlete and being a skillful boxer are two entirely different things. He looks a good athlete but at least in the Brinkley fight he didn't show me a lot of skill. Frankly, and I'm undecided now, but he looks like a pure puncher. Also, he looks to be a big middleweight and maybe that is why he can afford to rely on his size and power.
Why would you say McEwan is above Smith? I had Smith beating Guerrero and Jacobs by a round each, but that's just me - I know what the scorecards were. What has McEwan done? He beat Brian Vera and was up on the cards by a smidgeon against Lee at the time of the KO. Not to downplay Quillin if he beats McEwan because McEwan appears to be able to box. In fact, I think its pretty fair to say McEwan is the boxer in this match up and Quillin is the puncher.
Although Pirog like Quillin is relatively unproven, he does more in the ring than Quillin does at least on first glance.
He's a well schooled txtbook fighter for one thing. Kid Chocolate has a nice form and a smooth boxer-puncher style. His arsenal of punches aren't limited like many of the other fighters we see today. He throws every type of punch accordingly and knows exactly when to throw it too with a lot of speed behind it. QUillin just reminds me of one of the good fighters.. There are still unanswered questions regarding his defense and chin but offensively, he has the goods..Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratExplain. :headscratch:Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
And i heard u mentiong how he never beat the likes of Daniel Jacobs.. Since when did fighters have to beat Jacobs to prove that they belong? lol Daniel Jacobs has never done anything and Pirog's victory over him is overrated.
That's why QUillin is stepping up against Mcewan this saturday... Daniel Jacobs isn't any more credible than McEwan as an opponent.
Peter Quillin is the real dealz and he'll be put on the map after this saturday..
BTW bruh.. There's nothing wrong with him turning down Bute's offer.. He chose to campaign at 160 so that's it. Bute can pick on someone who's not a green prospect.
QUillin is just the trooof..
I've seen videos of the guy jumping over cars and what not. He is a true athlete, but he boxes well, he moves like an old school boxer. I have seen him stick his chin out a little too much, but he rolls and counters well. He's probably more dangerous than Andy Lee as a puncher.
I think the only guy Quillin has to worry about is Sergio. Pete's big and strong enough to hurt anyone else, that quickness and slickness that Sergio has is very dangerous though.
Don't get me wrong: I'm not anti-Quillin. I'm just not sold. What fights should I check out to see him flexing boxing skills other than his punching power? Point me in the right direction. In the Brinkley fight, I believe he threw a jab, an overhand right, and a straight right, and I don't remember him throwing many combinations if at all. I also didn't see any effective defense either hands-up style or philly-shell style.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaHe's a well schooled txtbook fighter for one thing. Kid Chocolate has a nice form and a smooth boxer-puncher style. His arsenal of punches aren't limited like many of the other fighters we see today. He throws every type of punch accordingly and knows exactly when to throw it too with a lot of speed behind it. QUillin just reminds me of one of the good fighters.. There are still unanswered questions regarding his defense and chin but offensively, he has the goods..Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratExplain. :headscratch:Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
And i heard u mentiong how he never beat the likes of Daniel Jacobs.. Since when did fighters have to beat Jacobs to prove that they belong? lol Daniel Jacobs has never done anything and Pirog's victory over him is overrated.
That's why QUillin is stepping up against Mcewan this saturday... Daniel Jacobs isn't any more credible than McEwan as an opponent.
Peter Quillin is the real dealz and he'll be put on the map after this saturday..
BTW bruh.. There's nothing wrong with him turning down Bute's offer.. He chose to campaign at 160 so that's it. Bute can pick on someone who's not a green prospect.
QUillin is just the trooof..
Danny Jacobs is about on par with McEwan. The only difference in the Pirog v. Jacobs fight and the Qullin v. McEwan fight is that Quillin is favored to win and Pirog was favored to lose, which is why it appears what Pirog did is impressive.
Opting to move down to middleweight rather than fight Bute at super middleweight isn't necessarily bad but calling out Martinez when you have yet to actually have a fight at 160 comes off as arrogant. Then to not fight Ishe Smith because "he doesn't do anything for you" sounded to me a little fake. Up until that point, I actually thought Quillin was a relatively publicly reserved fighter.
I have seen them both in the gym (McEwan and Quillin) and Quillin is much more revered. He hits hard with both hands and has good fundamentals. The rap on him is he can't fight backing up and if you have enough power to stop him from stalking you, he has no answer. McEwan doesn't hit hard but is pretty elusive and Quillin can be a little stiff so maybe he struggles to find him a little.
One guy that is not a good fit for Quillin is Sergio. Sergio does exactly what Chocolate doesn't like. I think he can beat Pirog though.
With regard to the "Quillin hasn't been babied" statement, tell me your are kidding. His ascent to the top has been a joke and he took McEwan because he saw him everyday at the WC and doesn't believe McEwan can hurt him.
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Originally Posted by Gocougars3
This makes a lot of sense and what I would have guessed. Quillin picked McEwan because McEwan can't punch and maybe McEwan will make this interesting because he is a better boxer but Quillin will come forward until he catches him.
How's Quillin's chin?
Why do you think Pirog wouldn't beat Quillin?
I can't really comment on his chin. He was hurt by Miranda in 08 but his competition has been lacking since then. He was tough in the gym, very confident and bold but that is different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat:goodpost:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gocougars3
This makes a lot of sense and what I would have guessed. Quillin picked McEwan because McEwan can't punch and maybe McEwan will make this interesting because he is a better boxer but Quillin will come forward until he catches him.
How's Quillin's chin?
Why do you think Pirog wouldn't beat Quillin?
I think he beats Pirog because he punches with bad intentions and I think he can walk through Pirog's arm punches.
One thing Miranda can do though is punch like a mule. I see him having difficulty with someone who can move and can punch. Pirog has some pop in his punches. It's a good clash of styles though and if Quillin gets by McEwan this weekend, it's something I'd look forward to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gocougars3I can't really comment on his chin. He was hurt by Miranda in 08 but his competition has been lacking since then. He was tough in the gym, very confident and bold but that is different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat:goodpost:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gocougars3
This makes a lot of sense and what I would have guessed. Quillin picked McEwan because McEwan can't punch and maybe McEwan will make this interesting because he is a better boxer but Quillin will come forward until he catches him.
How's Quillin's chin?
Why do you think Pirog wouldn't beat Quillin?
I think he beats Pirog because he punches with bad intentions and I think he can walk through Pirog's arm punches.
Quillin looks a little raw to me. He beat McEwan, but it did not impress, IMO.
Completely agree, he stood straight up, backed straight up, pushed his jab. Has a very good right hand. He also looked very nervous.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Mechanical and uptight, he was pre determined...telegraphing on countering with power shots early. A more experienced shifty guy may feignt into some big headaches.
Lots of guys are a little tight their first time on HBO. He fought well, got the W and got a stoppage. There's room for improvement, but he's a top class middleweight now.
Would he handle Sergio? Right now no, but he's a big strong guy and with his power he's got a shot vs anyone.
Lee-Quillin would be amazing...though I like them both too much to really want them to fight
That would be a nice contrast. Quillin has some raw physicality and can mix shots but he waits too much, don't think it's all stage fright...I think a mobile rangy Lee could give him some looks and probs early but eventually he'd have to stand and deliver to keep more assertive Quillin off and think that would be his downfall and lead to his mug looking like someone once again tied a pillow case of feral cats over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Lee versus Quillin is a very logical fight. If Lee versus Vera and Lee versus McEwan can be on HBO as an undercard. I don't see why Quillin v. Lee shouldn't be made. I don't believe he is ready for Sergio.
Quillan was well ahead but the stoppage was premature.Poor refereeing.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
It was going to happen, but yeah it was early.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzQuillan was well ahead but the stoppage was premature.Poor refereeing.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I once thought Quillin would beat Lee. Lee has improved. Quillin seems not to be improving. I now like Lee to beat him. Before the fight, I said I thought Quillin could beat Pirog. Based on what I saw, that isn't likely.
Quillin has had years of top quality sparring and training at the Wild Card. He has a deal with Golden Boy. He has been brought along slowly. Given all those factors, he should have looked more impressive than he did. I was really disappointed in what I saw.
Terribly early stoppage, one of the worst of the year.
Apparently they'll jump in there at the first sign of trouble to save McEwan, but in Mexico they'll let poor Angulo get beat half to fuckin death. :rolleyes:
Kid Choco!!!! C'mon fellas, it's not like McEwan had any kind of chance. lol
Kid Choco is ready for that next step. Bring on the winner of the overrated Pirog-Geale..
I'd like to see Quillen/ Lee. I think Quillen would stop Lee late
For the amount of fights he's had and the limited comp he's beat i'd say the dude is doing ok. If nothing else he's doing the basics and the main goal in boxing in the first place which is to win and hit the other guy more than he hits you. As he steps up comp we'll see how good he really is.
This guy has the tools. He just needs to match it with the right trainer if he plans on stepping up in competition. My main knock against this guy...change that ridiculous nickname.
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Originally Posted by 15rounder
#1 He's with Freddy Roach
#2 Have you never heard of 'Kid Chocolate'? Are you really a boxing fan???
Beat me to the proverbial punch. He works with Roach and Eric Brown at the Wild Card.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by 15rounder
#1 He's with Freddy Roach
#2 Have you never heard of 'Kid Chocolate'? Are you really a boxing fan???
Although, I agree, he should lose the nickname if he is going to fight like he did last weekend. The original was pretty spectacular.
I never said he wasn't already. But different trainers work for different boxers man. DUH!.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by 15rounder
#1 He's with Freddy Roach
#2 Have you never heard of 'Kid Chocolate'? Are you really a boxing fan???