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This fight went horribly wrong, but it doesn't really matter as the previous 20 years do matter. Unless you are Calzaghe all careers have a rise and a fall and James Toney is no different.
So this thread is for JFAT alliance people to get in and appreciate what he has done for us over the years. Tonight was shocking, but it is just one fight in many. This needn't be the reference point.
If you love Toney then get in here and say something.
Wtf ? I didn't know the fight happened already.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Went to boxingscene and read what happened.
Toney got stunned a few times, dominated and lost every round.
FUCK !
JFAT 4 Life indeed...damn it.
I suppose Hopkins performances in recent years at his age, and Toney's big talk convinced many of us who wanted to be convinced that James Toney could do it.
Reality SUCKS.
No, I don't believe that Toney was that old. He hurt his leg early and that made its impact. However, Toney is a tougher man than Gay-Hop and fought his fight.
There is no reason why Toney would rely on only one trap, it had to be a non-pivoting leg and that is what it was.
Every thrown right saw Toney wobbling everywhere. Not weight at all, but a serious injury.
No reason to hate on Hopkins in this thread Miles. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
So you believe the loss was because of an injury to Toney's leg ?
I believe Toney injured his leg somewhere in the 1-2nd round.. It was obvious something was bothering his movement and it wasn't because of age or drainage either..
He fought through an injury and made it till the final bell..
That's what we call a true throwback fighter. We all know how B.Conn would have handled that situation.. Hopcho Libre!!! lol
I think so and the behaviour would also say as much. You will watch Toney and have no idea that it is Toney, but early on makes you realise why.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkNo reason to hate on Hopkins in this thread Miles. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
So you believe the loss was because of an injury to Toney's leg ?
Well injury or not this SUCKS BIG TIME.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI think so and the behaviour would also say as much. You will watch Toney and have no idea that it is Toney, but early on makes you realise why.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkNo reason to hate on Hopkins in this thread Miles. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
So you believe the loss was because of an injury to Toney's leg ?
There is NO reason why any sane fighter would be so off in their punches. Either Toney is mentally shot or else was seriously injured. And he was injured.
A good career. He was competitive for decades and over a 100 pound spread. Not much more you can say than that.
He also suggested that Samuel Peter was a goat herded.
Definately JFAT for life... My favorite boxer of all time.
Great fighter ,great career , great character, but its time to call it quits in the ring , and i dont want to see him rolling around in UFC getting his head pounded in :(.
I really hope this thread is sarcasm, or being done in jest, because although Toney used to be a great talent, he stopped training and let his body go to shit years ago. I can think of a lot of pugs I admire, respect, and consider myself a fan of, but Toney ain't one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
You are a complete ass. Toney competed on a world class level from 135 lbs to 235 lbs. If he had been been in great shape -- I guess this would be a worthwhile feat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI really hope this thread is sarcasm, or being done in jest, because although Toney used to be a great talent, he stopped training and let his body go to shit years ago. I can think of a lot of pugs I admire, respect, and consider myself a fan of, but Toney ain't one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
IMO, however he maintained his competitive edge throughout the years is commendable. I will admit that he is a story of lost potential, but he was competitive against world class heavyweights even at weights best not attained.
I'm an ass for not agreeing with you? Who the fuck are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerYou are a complete ass. Toney competed on a world class level from 135 lbs to 235 lbs. If he had been been in great shape -- I guess this would be a worthwhile feat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI really hope this thread is sarcasm, or being done in jest, because although Toney used to be a great talent, he stopped training and let his body go to shit years ago. I can think of a lot of pugs I admire, respect, and consider myself a fan of, but Toney ain't one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
IMO, however he maintained his competitive edge throughout the years is commendable. I will admit that he is a story of lost potential, but he was competitive against world class heavyweights even at weights best not attained.
Are any of them black? Or no:-XQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI really hope this thread is sarcasm, or being done in jest, because although Toney used to be a great talent, he stopped training and let his body go to shit years ago. I can think of a lot of pugs I admire, respect, and consider myself a fan of, but Toney ain't one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Just another kick ass member of the JFAT alliance I guess. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI'm an ass for not agreeing with you? Who the fuck are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerYou are a complete ass. Toney competed on a world class level from 135 lbs to 235 lbs. If he had been been in great shape -- I guess this would be a worthwhile feat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI really hope this thread is sarcasm, or being done in jest, because although Toney used to be a great talent, he stopped training and let his body go to shit years ago. I can think of a lot of pugs I admire, respect, and consider myself a fan of, but Toney ain't one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
IMO, however he maintained his competitive edge throughout the years is commendable. I will admit that he is a story of lost potential, but he was competitive against world class heavyweights even at weights best not attained.
But really, if you just look at his accomplishments at the various weights without considering his wasted potential through his fitness -- it is quite incredible.
I think he meant your an ass for even posting in this thread, Miles wasn't making an arguement one way or another Einstein.
I must say I don't get why you guys (Miles and Finito) bother trying to use this an an excuse to knock Hopkins though, or make it out like Toney is so much more the warrior. If Lebedev had body slammed James like Dawson did to Hopkins you clearly would have been adamant that he lose by DQ and put no blame on Toney whatsoever had he chose to quit, dont lie.
Huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingAre any of them black? Or no:-XQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI really hope this thread is sarcasm, or being done in jest, because although Toney used to be a great talent, he stopped training and let his body go to shit years ago. I can think of a lot of pugs I admire, respect, and consider myself a fan of, but Toney ain't one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
No doubt that he was extremely talented, in fact that's what kept him being successful the last 7 or 8 years, experience and skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerJust another kick ass member of the JFAT alliance I guess. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI'm an ass for not agreeing with you? Who the fuck are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerYou are a complete ass. Toney competed on a world class level from 135 lbs to 235 lbs. If he had been been in great shape -- I guess this would be a worthwhile feat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI really hope this thread is sarcasm, or being done in jest, because although Toney used to be a great talent, he stopped training and let his body go to shit years ago. I can think of a lot of pugs I admire, respect, and consider myself a fan of, but Toney ain't one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
IMO, however he maintained his competitive edge throughout the years is commendable. I will admit that he is a story of lost potential, but he was competitive against world class heavyweights even at weights best not attained.
But really, if you just look at his accomplishments at the various weights without considering his wasted potential through his fitness -- it is quite incredible.
Miles was getting a bit carried away with his undying love for James, I was finding it hard to believe he was being serious when he posted this thread, that is all.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
But boozeboxer is correct, i'm am an asshole. ;)
Someone tell this clown he hasn't been here nearly half as long enough to even try and fuck with the mighty JFAT alliance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axMiles was getting a bit carried away with his undying love for James, I was finding it hard to believe he was being serious when he posted this thread, that is all.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
But boozeboxer is correct, i'm am an asshole. ;)
1. JFAT
2. Old Guard
3. Chuck Norris Appreciation Society
In that order.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusSomeone tell this clown he hasn't been here nearly half as long enough to even try and fuck with the mighty JFAT alliance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axMiles was getting a bit carried away with his undying love for James, I was finding it hard to believe he was being serious when he posted this thread, that is all.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
But boozeboxer is correct, i'm am an asshole. ;)
1. JFAT
2. Old Guard
3. Chuck Norris Appreciation Society
In that order.
We are OG boxing nerds hear us roar !!!
Nobody should ever try to belittle the JFAT alliance. It is extremely offensive.
James Toney is still James Toney and though yesterday was a travesty, he is no spring chicken.
I believe he hurt himself early on, but he took his licks and went the distance. In the end that was all he could do and I am not going to knock him for it. He has had an all time great career.
It sucks that he lost to this guy; But the real opponent is father time and eventually he rears his ugly head around that corner and beats us all. Toney could come back and have the Uncivil War part 2 with Roy Jones on ESPN.
I think lights out put it most succinctly after beating Thornton in Donald Mcrae's excellent Dark Trade
"An' now, baby, it's time to eat cheeseburgers, lotsa cheeseburgers...'cos I'm James Toney, champion o' the world..."
Imbued with patience and skill he spoke of administering " a respectful beating" that night.
The time has come to walk away from an exceptional career.
James "Lights Out" Toney. A Legend.
Hopkins didn't fight 12 rounds injured? Bla bla Hopkins is a clown, Toney is a throwback bla bla etc.
This just in:
Hopkins never squandered is talent by losing discipline and turning into a whale/got caught with roids in him either...
Hopkins, still in great shape and still winning titles/beating young fighters at almost 47.
But Toney gets all the accolades for letting it all slip when he had the talent to last much longer?
Out of respect for the veteran JFAT (love the name) alliance, I've decided to stay the hell away from this thread, seeing as to how Toney is one of my most hated fighters of all time.
HAVE AT IT, JFAT FANS!!
;D
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Originally Posted by AdamGB
Exactly, good post. Letting your body turn to shit and taking fights that will just embaress you is a lot more shameful than anything Hopkins has done in large part and certainly nothing that lends to Toney's rep.
When was the last time Toney actually won a meaningful, high level, or championship fight? I don't count the non-title fight, over a shot Holyfield in 2003, so it would have to be the KO of Vassiliy Jirov 8 years ago, for the IBF Crusierweight trinket.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Exactly, good post. Letting your body turn to shit and taking fights that will just embaress you is a lot more shameful than anything Hopkins has done in large part and certainly nothing that lends to Toney's rep.
I think beating Ruiz was a good win for him and kind of his last hurrah. I also don't really hold his steroid use in the same lights as I do for a lot of athletes because he had well documented problems with low testosterone and HGH levels, the steroids were prescribed to him by a physician as they would be for many people in his condition and weren't really performance enhancing.
True, but saying it was prescribed is just making excuses for Toney, steroid use is illegal for pro boxers, any way you wanna look at it, it's cheating, because it gives you an unfair advantage. But James basically gets a pass or a slap on the wrist for this shit, what would have happened if this had been Pacquiao? They would have crucified him.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
May be just me but i dont like OAP boxing fuck it's a joke, please no MORE.:mad:
Well, who are they? If you mean the athletic commission they would penalize him in exactly the same fashion as they did Toney.. If you mean us nerds on the internet sure people would give Pacquiao more flack but woop de doo. Fwiw I think a lot of people have already unleashed that on Pacquiao, I know I'll always feel he's been using something illegal for the past few years and it wouldn't really change my opinion one way or another if he tested positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axTrue, but saying it was prescribed is just making excuses for Toney, steroid use is illegal for pro boxers, any way you wanna look at it, it's cheating, because it gives you an unfair advantage. But James basically gets a pass or a slap on the wrist for this shit, what would have happened if this had been Pacquiao? They would have crucified him.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Google Nandrolone if you like, that's the steroid Toney was busted for using and it's very rarely not used for medical purposes. They prescribe it for women following menopause for osteoperosis(sp) quite frequently etc. It is naturally present in all humans much like HGH and it's quite possible to be found with higher than normal levels without actually ingesting it, several bans on athletes have been overturned due to false positives in fact. Not to say Toney didn't take it of course, just that it was really to offset a medical problem rather than give him an edge imo.
I personally think they may as well just legalize steroids at this point, let the fans watch the best athletes science can produce!;D
It was prescribed?
So what.
6:20 on wards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5A2e...eature=related
I wonder which Chiropractor/Nutritionist told Toney of his 'Low Hormone levels'? :rolleyes:
Low testosterone? I have a hard time swallowing that. It is ridiculously easy to get your self diagnosed with a low hormone...
When he got caught he didn't make any noise about being 'deficient' in any hormone... he said it was a steroid being used to treat his Distal Bicep tendon tear.
Anybody want to guess what a major causative factor of Distal Bicep tendon tear is? HGH/Anabolic Steroid use.
I don't want to knock the guy too much, he's had an amazing career... but some of you fuckers... especially the ones talking about Hopkins - need to take off the rose tinted specs when it comes to 'throwback' Toney.