Froch wants bute then kessler after beating ward?!

Cant fault froch for been fearless, never ducking anyone and fighting whoever wherever, right back to chasin calzage hes always looked for the best/biggest fights, even after how tough the super six has been, hes thinkin of calling the next big name out, mayweather shud take a leaf out of frochs book!! dont get me wrong im not saying hes gona beat ward, (im sure hes in for a tough night!) but i no he'l give it 110% as he always does, it would be nice for the guy to get some support/backing from the tv/media, and the recognition he deserves, froch seems to have slipped through the fanbase?!

Wasn't much of a Froch fan before the SS, but he has made me like him. The guy has fought all top tier opponents. He should be a little more focused on Ward right now, then maybe start talking about Bute, Kessler etc.

Froch fights anyone. Anywhere.anyhow.

Froch ducks no one. This dude is one of my favorite British fighters along with Kevin Mitchell, the man is the truth..

There's nothing more I want to see than him beating the dogshit out of Andre Ward. Guys like Ward stinks up the joint and i dont think he's all that good for Boxing.

Fighters need to have some ambition and Froch has plenty of it.. He wants Bute and Kessler?? wow talk about fearless.

Stand up Cobra!!!

I don't see froch winning but hey shoot for the stars i guess. Some of the dreams khan spews out is way worse than this.

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Wasn't much of a Froch fan before the SS, but he has made me like him. The guy has fought all top tier opponents. He should be a little more focused on Ward right now, then maybe start talking about Bute, Kessler etc.

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I like Froch, even more so, since I can't stomach, the "SOG", I hope he kicks Ward's ass and fights Bute after that.

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I don't see froch winning but hey shoot for the stars i guess. Some of the dreams khan spews out is way worse than this.

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I don't either. I see Froch going out like Kessler. Complaining all fucking night cuz he getting his ass beat

Cool dude, but Froch is one major fuckin' optimist if he's thinking about doing anything "after beating Ward."

ward will be his toughest fight yet, maybe not in a war but causing him fits and out boxing him.

Got to give Froch respect he might have some wild dreams but you all know if he could have them guys in the ring with him in his next couple of fights he would fight tooth and nail with them, he doesn't just say this stuff for interviews. I was never sure how froch would react to getting beaten as he is so confident that i thought it might do some damage mentally but he has come roaring back and the guy is fearless!

He'll lose to Ward on the cards or stopped for cuts, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't face Kessler or Bute afterward. Both are great fights and I believe Kessler is there for the taking right now.

There are many posters here no matter how much I explain it to them (Finito/Fenster wink wink) believe Froch beats Bute. I'll admit that either way it's a damn good scrap on paper. Froch should take that fight win or lose.

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There are many posters here no matter how much I explain it to them (Finito/Fenster wink wink) believe Froch beats Bute. I'll admit that either way it's a damn good scrap on paper. Froch should take that fight win or lose.

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When have I ever said Froch will beat Bute? Tut, tut, tut.

Some of you guys can't discern between someones personal opinion and factual evidence. Like people in the "Marquez robbery" thread just assumed I thought Pac won because I was arguing it wasn't a robbery. Hilarious.

With regards to Froch-Bute - I've only ever proven Froch has a better resume. That is based entirely on facts. My opinion of whom is better is irrelevant. For the record - I would almost certainly bet Bute to beat Froch ;)

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There are many posters here no matter how much I explain it to them (Finito/Fenster wink wink) believe Froch beats Bute. I'll admit that either way it's a damn good scrap on paper. Froch should take that fight win or lose.

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When have I ever said Froch will beat Bute? Tut, tut, tut.

Some of you guys can't discern between someones personal opinion and factual evidence. Like people in the "Marquez robbery" thread just assumed I thought Pac won because I was arguing it wasn't a robbery. Hilarious.

With regards to Froch-Bute - I've only ever proven Froch has a better resume. That is based entirely on facts. My opinion of whom is better is irrelevant. For the record - I would almost certainly bet Bute to beat Froch ;)

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I stand corrected oh and by the way, I agree with you that Froch has a better resume. I never have not. Our only disagreement is who has looked better against common opponents. Did the Glen Johnson v. Lucian Bute result put that to bed though?

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There are many posters here no matter how much I explain it to them (Finito/Fenster wink wink) believe Froch beats Bute. I'll admit that either way it's a damn good scrap on paper. Froch should take that fight win or lose.

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When have I ever said Froch will beat Bute? Tut, tut, tut.

Some of you guys can't discern between someones personal opinion and factual evidence. Like people in the "Marquez robbery" thread just assumed I thought Pac won because I was arguing it wasn't a robbery. Hilarious.

With regards to Froch-Bute - I've only ever proven Froch has a better resume. That is based entirely on facts. My opinion of whom is better is irrelevant. For the record - I would almost certainly bet Bute to beat Froch ;)

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I stand corrected oh and by the way, I agree with you that Froch has a better resume. I never have not. Our only disagreement is who has looked better against common opponents. Did the Glen Johnson v. Lucian Bute result put that to bed though?

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No. ;D

Bute sure did beat Johnson easier than anyone has since Sven Ottke though.

Neither Froch nor Lucian Bute beat Glen Johnson as easily or as decisively as Chad Dawson did in their second fight, that was an absolutely one sided fight and it showed true decline in Glen Johnson's ability.

Froch isn't going to beat Ward so I don't know why he's thinking so far ahead. Ward is vastly superior to him, faster, better footwork, defense, coordination, better instincts as a fighter.

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Neither Froch nor Lucian Bute beat Glen Johnson as easily or as decisively as Chad Dawson did in their second fight, that was an absolutely one sided fight and it showed true decline in Glen Johnson's ability.

Froch isn't going to beat Ward so I don't know why he's thinking so far ahead. Ward is vastly superior to him, faster, better footwork, defense, coordination, better instincts as a fighter.

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he didnt show that against AA (or bika) :)

in fact take away the kessler fight (which is by far wards best performance) he hasnt really showed that at all

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Neither Froch nor Lucian Bute beat Glen Johnson as easily or as decisively as Chad Dawson did in their second fight, that was an absolutely one sided fight and it showed true decline in Glen Johnson's ability.

Froch isn't going to beat Ward so I don't know why he's thinking so far ahead. Ward is vastly superior to him, faster, better footwork, defense, coordination, better instincts as a fighter.

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Yes, but it took Bad Chad twice to do it. Glen Johnson gave Bad Chad a run for his money the first time. What do you think would happen if Bute got another crack at Glen Johnson? Plus Bute and Glen Johnson are good friends. If there ever was a situation where it could be argued a fighter "carried" another fighter, it was that fight. I'm not saying it happened, but the complete shut out Bute laid out makes you think twice.

Agreed on Froch v. Ward. It's a punter's dream. Odds are almost even. I may wager a hefty amount on that one.

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Neither Froch nor Lucian Bute beat Glen Johnson as easily or as decisively as Chad Dawson did in their second fight, that was an absolutely one sided fight and it showed true decline in Glen Johnson's ability.

Froch isn't going to beat Ward so I don't know why he's thinking so far ahead. Ward is vastly superior to him, faster, better footwork, defense, coordination, better instincts as a fighter.

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he didnt show that against AA (or bika) :)

in fact take away the kessler fight (which is by far wards best performance) he hasnt really showed that at all

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Erics44, I think what you're getting at is that Ward either doesn't have a killer instinct or he doesn't have a big punch. I believe it is the latter and if he possessed a bigger punch, he'd be a bigger star. Same goes for Tim Bradley. It may be worth it for him to sit down on his punches just for his career as a prize fighter. On paper, do you think a fight with Bute and Froch sounds more fun to watch or a fight between Bute and Ward?

On a side note, when asked about the matchup between Ward and Froch, Andre Dirrell actually gave Froch a lot of credit. He said he is very awkward to fight. It's harder than it seems on the screen, but he also gave the nod to Ward in this one.

Odds are almost even? Froch is a fair underdog over here in his own country, I'd have thought he'd be even further out in the States? I doubt anyone will get anywhere near even money on Ward.

You have to respect Froch's attitude in wanting the best fight-after-fight. I read he has a gentleman's agreement to give Pascal a rematch in Canada too.

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Neither Froch nor Lucian Bute beat Glen Johnson as easily or as decisively as Chad Dawson did in their second fight, that was an absolutely one sided fight and it showed true decline in Glen Johnson's ability.

Froch isn't going to beat Ward so I don't know why he's thinking so far ahead. Ward is vastly superior to him, faster, better footwork, defense, coordination, better instincts as a fighter.

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he didnt show that against AA (or bika) :)

in fact take away the kessler fight (which is by far wards best performance) he hasnt really showed that at all

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Erics44, I think what you're getting at is that Ward either doesn't have a killer instinct or he doesn't have a big punch. I believe it is the latter and if he possessed a bigger punch, he'd be a bigger star. Same goes for Tim Bradley. It may be worth it for him to sit down on his punches just for his career as a prize fighter. On paper, do you think a fight with Bute and Froch sounds more fun to watch or a fight between Bute and Ward?

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all i am saying is that from what i have seen so far he is clearly a world class fighter but not the cream pie like some people are saying

he beat kessler up, appart from that he has beaten other contenders that have been beaten better and more decisively before

so to say he is superior to froch in so many ways (like teath did) may or may not be true but as yet he hasnt shown or proved that

i agree with the odds, this is a 50/50 fight







p.s. you are more likely to lose it if you put your money on ward winning :)

Ward is best priced 4/9 in Britain ($100 returns $144)

Froch is best priced 5/2 ($100 returns $350)

Like Prosinecki said - Even money in the States is a bit of a surprise.

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Ward is best priced 4/9 in Britain ($100 returns $144)

Froch is best priced 5/2 ($100 returns $350)

Like Prosinecki said - Even money in the States is a bit of a surprise.

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I looked a while ago. It's not even, but the odds are still closer than I perceive the fight.

Too right Froch should be aiming high with these fights. He needs Bute and Kessler if he beats Ward. Imagine Frochs resume if he beats Ward, Bute and avenges the Kessler loss. It would actually be better than Calzaghe's and no doubt he would have to go down as one of the best fighters at 168 of all time.

IMO even as a Froch fan he is the underdog in all three of these fights but no doubt out of any 168 fighter around now he is more than capable of achieving these wins. Hes looked really impressive as of late and he has improved a lot and gained so much experience due to the SS.

I hope he can get through the Ward test, but no doubt he has a very tough fight against him. I hope he can do it though, he deserves it IMO. I can't wait for the final, Froch will be up for it no doubt as he has been training like a machine. I feel Froch is in fine form and Ward is going to have to be to outpoint Froch. We will see, not long to go now. :D

Im not saying froch beats ward, ive not seen a massive amount of ward, i here hes very slick, the one thing i do no is froch is in no way to be wrote off!! Froch punches very hard, has a granite chin and battles till the final bell, take the taylor fight (i think we can all agree this was before taylors major decline) froch got out classed nearly every round, got put on his arse and still had the will + power to get the ko, not an great performace for froch but still ground the win out, i dont see froch winning on points (especially on away turf) but it wudnt suprise me if he gets a ko win, either way given frochs workrate+power i think its gona be wards toughest fight!

Please, God, let me find someone who thinks Froch at even money is a fair bet.

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Im not saying froch beats ward, ive not seen a massive amount of ward, i here hes very slick, the one thing i do no is froch is in no way to be wrote off!! Froch punches very hard, has a granite chin and battles till the final bell, take the taylor fight (i think we can all agree this was before taylors major decline) froch got out classed nearly every round, got put on his arse and still had the will + power to get the ko, not an great performace for froch but still ground the win out, i dont see froch winning on points (especially on away turf) but it wudnt suprise me if he gets a ko win, either way given frochs workrate+power i think its gona be wards toughest fight!

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Disagree about him being outclassed every round. Taylor for 4 rounds is one of the most outstanding fighters ever but he can't sustain it over 12 rounds. He was ahead but Froch took control of the fight in the later rounds. I knew Froch would stop him late he was catching up on Taylor and he ended the fight in empahtic style.

If ward can keep his disapline for the full 12 he has a good chance, but i do see Froch being a bull for the 12 rounds and the momentum he has built going into this final I think he is going be too much for Ward. Ward needs to be on his game , because he will have a lot to handle in this fight. I hope he doesn't try being dirty because I don't see Froch falling for it. I hope this will be a great fight.

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Im not saying froch beats ward, ive not seen a massive amount of ward, i here hes very slick, the one thing i do no is froch is in no way to be wrote off!! Froch punches very hard, has a granite chin and battles till the final bell, take the taylor fight (i think we can all agree this was before taylors major decline) froch got out classed nearly every round, got put on his arse and still had the will + power to get the ko, not an great performace for froch but still ground the win out, i dont see froch winning on points (especially on away turf) but it wudnt suprise me if he gets a ko win, either way given frochs workrate+power i think its gona be wards toughest fight!

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Disagree about him being outclassed every round. Taylor for 4 rounds is one of the most outstanding fighters ever but he can't sustain it over 12 rounds. He was ahead but Froch took control of the fight in the later rounds. I knew Froch would stop him late he was catching up on Taylor and he ended the fight in empahtic style.

If ward can keep his disapline for the full 12 he has a good chance, but i do see Froch being a bull for the 12 rounds and the momentum he has built going into this final I think he is going be too much for Ward. Ward needs to be on his game , because he will have a lot to handle in this fight. I hope he doesn't try being dirty because I don't see Froch falling for it. I hope this will be a great fight.

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Agreed if ward fights dirty, Froch is not the type of fighter to bitch and moan to the ref. He'll do the same back.

I can't really see Froch beating Ward but Froch is a tough and determined fighter so he may pull it off. Can't fault the guy he's always willing to fight the best.

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Neither Froch nor Lucian Bute beat Glen Johnson as easily or as decisively as Chad Dawson did in their second fight, that was an absolutely one sided fight and it showed true decline in Glen Johnson's ability.

Froch isn't going to beat Ward so I don't know why he's thinking so far ahead. Ward is vastly superior to him, faster, better footwork, defense, coordination, better instincts as a fighter.

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sometimes it's like one big game of top trumps in here ;D

He should have ducked kessler coz Kessler showed froch how to fight bigtime!!

It would be nice to see him continue to fight top opposition, unfortunately he ain't beating Ward!

How you work that out?? To me froch lost a close decsion on away turf! Hardley showed how to fight bigtime?!

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He should have ducked kessler coz Kessler showed froch how to fight bigtime!!

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It would be nice to see him continue to fight top opposition, unfortunately he ain't beating Ward!

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IMO the froch kessler fight was a bigger robbery than any of the pc jmm fights :)

(ps.s i still havent seen III)

can't see Froch losing ...his will is too strong to lose..be cool to see Kel brook fight in the US.. Should be a top night all round and a 7am finish here in Malta ;D

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can't see Froch losing ...his will is too strong to lose..be cool to see Kel brook fight in the US.. Should be a top night all round and a 7am finish here in Malta ;D

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Problem is he let the Kessler fight slip away. If he had been more active at certain points in the middle and end of the fight, he would have won.

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can't see Froch losing ...his will is too strong to lose..be cool to see Kel brook fight in the US.. Should be a top night all round and a 7am finish here in Malta ;D

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Problem is he let the Kessler fight slip away. If he had been more active at certain points in the middle and end of the fight, he would have won.

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In reality froch won 3 out of 4 rounds quite clearly

If the fight had have been anywhere other than denmark froch would have won

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IMO the froch DIRRELL fight was a bigger robbery than any of the pc jmm fights :)

(ps.s i still havent seen III)

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Fixed that for you.

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How you work that out?? To me froch lost a close decsion on away turf! Hardley showed how to fight bigtime?!

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He should have ducked kessler coz Kessler showed froch how to fight bigtime!!

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That was the fist time froch has ever been hurt. Kessler outclassed him bigtime!!!

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IMO the froch DIRRELL fight was a bigger robbery than any of the pc jmm fights :)

(ps.s i still havent seen III)

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Fixed that for you.

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Ha, i admit i can see the argument for dirrell beating froch

He didnt win tho, noone in the history of boxing has been that negative and won a fight

In the froch kessler fight kessler hardly lands any sort of meaningful punch till the sixth

I dont see any case for kes winning that fight

I fucking love Carl Froch. That guy would fight a laser-wielding polar bear using nothing but an old newspaper and a box of crayons if you could get 20 people to come and watch.