Am I the only one whos curious to hear cottos opinion on how...

margaritos punches felt in the rematch. Hes the only guy to rematch him after the scandal. Surely Cotto would of noticed if Margaritos punches felt nothing like the ones in the first fight. It would clear a lot up i think.

He eluded to it after the fight. Without directly saying so, he seemed to imply that Margarito wasn't hurting him like he was the first time around.

he said something like you can see the difference between now and 2008

I know i wasnt taking the punches so what do i know but im not so sure, there was nothing that fight for me to prove there was any difference in Margarito's punch

cotto had different tactics and didnt get hit anywhere near as much, plus margarito was injured and looked much slower than he did first time around

i'd say if anything there was more to prove he wasnt wearing pads first time around looking at that fight because i think cotto was starting to get busted up and i think the last 3 rounds would have been interesting

im glad cotto won mind

and yes id like to hear someone directly ask him what he thinks about the loaded gloves now, and hopefully he would give an honest response

He didn't directly say anything but he implied that there was a difference But I'm not too sure, I personaly think he did.

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Originally Posted by erics44

he said something like you can see the difference between now and 2008

I know i wasnt taking the punches so what do i know but im not so sure, there was nothing that fight for me to prove there was any difference in Margarito's punch

cotto had different tactics and didnt get hit anywhere near as much, plus margarito was injured and looked much slower than he did first time around

i'd say if anything there was more to prove he wasnt wearing pads first time around looking at that fight because i think cotto was starting to get busted up and i think the last 3 rounds would have been interesting

im glad cotto won mind

and yes id like to hear someone directly ask him what he thinks about the loaded gloves now, and hopefully he would give an honest response

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I don't think there was much to suggest any difference, but I don't think Margarito would have beaten Cotto fair and square first time out and then felt the need to use loaded wraps to fight an ageing Mosely. That wouldn't be the 1st fight you picked to do that. ;)

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Originally Posted by BIG H

I don't think there was much to suggest any difference, but I don't think Margarito would have beaten Cotto fair and square first time out and then felt the need to use loaded wraps to fight an ageing Mosely. That wouldn't be the 1st fight you picked to do that. ;)

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That was what I have been saying all along.

Why would Margarito use loaded gloves on an ageing boxer who was beaten by the younger boxer who he had beaten fair and square while still undefeated?

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

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Originally Posted by erics44

he said something like you can see the difference between now and 2008

I know i wasnt taking the punches so what do i know but im not so sure, there was nothing that fight for me to prove there was any difference in Margarito's punch

cotto had different tactics and didnt get hit anywhere near as much, plus margarito was injured and looked much slower than he did first time around

i'd say if anything there was more to prove he wasnt wearing pads first time around looking at that fight because i think cotto was starting to get busted up and i think the last 3 rounds would have been interesting

im glad cotto won mind

and yes id like to hear someone directly ask him what he thinks about the loaded gloves now, and hopefully he would give an honest response

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I don't think there was much to suggest any difference, but I don't think Margarito would have beaten Cotto fair and square first time out and then felt the need to use loaded wraps to fight an ageing Mosely. That wouldn't be the 1st fight you picked to do that. ;)

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I kind of half agree with this.. It's unlikely that Mosley would be the first opponent Margarito picked to use the plaster, BUT at the same time Shane was always going to be a much tougher matchup for him than Cotto when you think back on it. Mosley in good form would have never lost to anything that even resembles Margarito, you didn't beat Sugar Shane by being a tough guy.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

I don't think there was much to suggest any difference, but I don't think Margarito would have beaten Cotto fair and square first time out and then felt the need to use loaded wraps to fight an ageing Mosely. That wouldn't be the 1st fight you picked to do that. ;)

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That was what I have been saying all along.

Why would Margarito use loaded gloves on an ageing boxer who was beaten by the younger boxer who he had beaten fair and square while still undefeated?

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

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Cotto outboxed Mosley, Margarito couldn't outbox my dog... I'm not saying it makes sense per say but stylistically Margo needed the edge a lot more against Mosley imo. That was a guy who was just as tough as him, hit way harder, and still had an absolutely ridiculous advantage in handspeed not to mention overall athletecism and boxing ability.

I noticed a difference. I remember watching the first fight and telling my brother in round 4 that Cotto's boxing was winning the fight but that Tony was clearly landing hard shots. Obviously he is a big puncher and still had some moments in the rematch but his punches didn't seem to have smack that they did the first time around. At least to me.

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Originally Posted by erics44

he said something like you can see the difference between now and 2008

I know i wasnt taking the punches so what do i know but im not so sure, there was nothing that fight for me to prove there was any difference in Margarito's punch

cotto had different tactics and didnt get hit anywhere near as much, plus margarito was injured and looked much slower than he did first time around

i'd say if anything there was more to prove he wasnt wearing pads first time around looking at that fight because i think cotto was starting to get busted up and i think the last 3 rounds would have been interesting

im glad cotto won mind

and yes id like to hear someone directly ask him what he thinks about the loaded gloves now, and hopefully he would give an honest response

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I don't think there was much to suggest any difference, but I don't think Margarito would have beaten Cotto fair and square first time out and then felt the need to use loaded wraps to fight an ageing Mosely. That wouldn't be the 1st fight you picked to do that. ;)

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I kind of half agree with this.. It's unlikely that Mosley would be the first opponent Margarito picked to use the plaster, BUT at the same time Shane was always going to be a much tougher matchup for him than Cotto when you think back on it. Mosley in good form would have never lost to anything that even resembles Margarito, you didn't beat Sugar Shane by being a tough guy.

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But it isn't like Margarito is a huge underdog going into that fight with Mosley for him to risk getting caught cheating. Just looking at the damage that he inflicted to Cotto, if he had beaten Cotto fairly, then he has an excellent chance of beating Mosley fairly. Why cheat?

Since Margarito was caught cheating, to some people he lose the privilege of the doubt that maybe that is the first time that he tried to cheat.

Well the odds don't always tell the story, obviously Margo having beat Cotto, who beat Mosley was most of the reason that Shane was the underdog in that one. My point was that Margaritos camp may well have seen how much tougher Mosley was to fight that way(which is all Margarito can do, lets face it). Whether or not Margarito beat Cotto fairly, he didn't have a prayer against Mosley while Shane still had a good deal in the tank. That little triangle is a textbook "styles make fights" scenario.

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Originally Posted by p4pking

Well the odds don't always tell the story, obviously Margo having beat Cotto, who beat Mosley was most of the reason that Shane was the underdog in that one. My point was that Margaritos camp may well have seen how much tougher Mosley was to fight that way(which is all Margarito can do, lets face it). Whether or not Margarito beat Cotto fairly, he didn't have a prayer against Mosley while Shane still had a good deal in the tank. That little triangle is a textbook "styles make fights" scenario.

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you assumed Shane had a good deal in the tank at that time. Boxing writers and insiders didn't believe that to be the case.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

I don't think there was much to suggest any difference, but I don't think Margarito would have beaten Cotto fair and square first time out and then felt the need to use loaded wraps to fight an ageing Mosely. That wouldn't be the 1st fight you picked to do that. ;)

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no i agree, why straight after winning a fight you were odds on too lose cheat in a fight you are odds n to win

Thing is at the time of the mosley fight margarito was the hottest thing in boxing, margarito v mosley was probably one of the top 2 or 3 anticipated fights in the world, margarito was on the verge of superstardom, the steaks were higher than ever before

From that point of view i can accept that they made a decision to cheat for the first time at that time

If i was t put money on it tho i wouldnt bet on it

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Originally Posted by Snakey

margaritos punches felt in the rematch. Hes the only guy to rematch him after the scandal. Surely Cotto would of noticed if Margarito's punches felt nothing like the ones in the first fight. It would clear a lot up i think.

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I think it's pretty obvious what Cotto thought after the fight and his face tells a totally different story.

I see no reason NOT to believe that Margarito used plastered wraps in the 1st fight, and he's an un-remorseful piece of shit.

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Originally Posted by Snakey

margaritos punches felt in the rematch. Hes the only guy to rematch him after the scandal. Surely Cotto would of noticed if Margarito's punches felt nothing like the ones in the first fight. It would clear a lot up i think.

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I think it's pretty obvious what Cotto thought after the fight and his face tells a totally different story.

I see no reason NOT to believe that Margarito used plastered wraps in the 1st fight, and he's an un-remorseful piece of shit.

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I have a hard time believing Margarito after he was caught. He said he didn't notice anything in the wraps. But Saturday night they showed him intently watching his hands get wrapped. Is that the first time it occurred (him actually paying attention when his hands got wrapped)? Trainer Manny Steward basically said Margarito's excuse that he didn't know about tainted wraps with Mosley was pure bullshit.

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Originally Posted by erics44

he said something like you can see the difference between now and 2008

I know i wasnt taking the punches so what do i know but im not so sure, there was nothing that fight for me to prove there was any difference in Margarito's punch

cotto had different tactics and didnt get hit anywhere near as much, plus margarito was injured and looked much slower than he did first time around

i'd say if anything there was more to prove he wasnt wearing pads first time around looking at that fight because i think cotto was starting to get busted up and i think the last 3 rounds would have been interesting

im glad cotto won mind

and yes id like to hear someone directly ask him what he thinks about the loaded gloves now, and hopefully he would give an honest response

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I was saying the same thing. He said they didnt hurt him much or something like that but if you looked at his face it was starting to resemble what it started looking like with Pacquiao and The first fight with Margarito

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I have a hard time believing Margarito after he was caught. He said he didn't notice anything in the wraps. But Saturday night they showed him intently watching his hands get wrapped. Is that the first time it occurred (him actually paying attention when his hands got wrapped)? Trainer Manny Steward basically said Margarito's excuse that he didn't know about tainted wraps with Mosley was pure bullshit.

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I don't believe that Margarito is not aware of what's going on with his wraps.

What would the person who tainted the wraps gain by doing it without Margarito's knowledge? When Margarito wins, he doesn't get credit because Antonio didn't know what he did. If Margarito finds out about it, he would likely get the brunt of his anger and get fired for putting the boxer's reputation at risk. So, why in blazes would he do that?

Sorry, this was a duplicate post as the above. I don't think there is a way to remove this whole panel when already posted.

The handwraps did more good to Margarito's confidence than to his punching power. Well atleast it is obvious that our fist aren't too soft compared to this plaster. Those wear plasters not iron.

When you get hit as much as Cotto got hit on the 1st fight it seems normal to get that amount of damage (see Cotto after the Pac fight). And almost all of it are caused by uppercuts. Yes, broken nose and lips. and yeah Margarito can punch with power (again, see Pac fight)

Against Mosley, Margarito got caught. His greatest benefit of 'mental edge' from the handwraps was taken away from him and to top that he knows he fu*ked up and will be in some serious issues plus Mosleys hit and hold style - he got the shiiit beaten outta him.

And on the 2nd Cotto fight he's determined, but the menta edge, the wear from the beatings he took from his previous defeats and the eye injury plus Cotto's game plan and the doctor was too huge of a mountain to climb for him.

Nuff said.