so duran vs manny thread was pretty much unanimous, im curious to see what you guys feel of about this, we know floyd is great, but how great is he really?
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so duran vs manny thread was pretty much unanimous, im curious to see what you guys feel of about this, we know floyd is great, but how great is he really?
At 135 Duran beats everyone and 147 vs PBF it's interesting, but I tell you, as good as Floyd is at winding people up Roberto Duran was better. When Leonard-Duran 1 happened, SRL thanked Duran for making the fight happen and Roberto promptly cursed at SRL and spit at his wife. I think Duran is too tough for Floyd, solid inside fighter, top notch boxer, great chin, and could play dirty with anyone...just ask Buchannan.
As for Floyd vs SRL...it's a tough call. Floyd's defense is better, but Ray's offense was very good. Quick hands, great combination puncher, great speed, underrated pop. If Shane Mosley can catch and hurt Floyd then I think Ray can finish it off.
I will say this, if Tommy Hearns caught Floyd with a clean shot the way Judah and Mosley have it would be GOODNIGHT SWEETHEART!
Floyd vs Whittaker is one that's tough to call as well.
Floyd will be compared to all these guys from here on...he's a top notch fighter, I don't like his attitude, but there's no denying his skill.
Leonard opens up a can of whoop ass on Floyd, no doubt about it.
Duran beats the living shit out of Floyd anywhere besides 147...
No way does any1 whoop floyds ass period, floyd would beat everyone of these guys, the guy got the best skills ive ever seen in my life, if he beats pacman then say martinez he goes down as the greatest of all time IMO
I think at the end of the day Floyds career will be looked at wth many of those, and the woulda, coulda's. Dude has supreme defense but I honestly don't think Pac will happen let alone Martinez. Floyd has burned away much of his primetime and he's seriously going to regret that 'retirement' after highlight of Hatton win imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3
Mayweather v Duran - at 135 nobody beats Duran and Floyd loses on the cards. But at 147 floyd outboxes duran, timing of the fight plays a role like the SRL fight. I don't know if floyd can keep a fully motivated Duran off of him.
Mayweather v Leonard - I think leonard wins 6/10 times. Floyd has timing and leonard keeps that left hand low so hes open to floyds right all night. but leonard has speed and took right hands from a prime hearns. Leonard would get floyd on the ropes and throw some flurrys and floyd doesn't throw enough and fights a very conserved fight losing on the cards. Or Floyd catches leonard with quick rights taking no risks, pure counter punching and takes the decision.
Floyd is very skilled and smart so both fights are winnable for him, hes too good to be badly beaten and stopped.
TOMMY HEARNS would wallop the piss out of Floyd....yeah sit back eating those punches and try to counter that dude!Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3
I actually think Mayweather does well against both Duran and Leonard, his big problem would be Hearns!Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Versus Duran : At 135 i pick Duran in a close decision. At 147 i pick Mayweather.
Versus Leonard : I think Mayweather could pick up a win here, what a chess match.
Versus Hearns : Now this is interesting, Mayweather is a master of defence, but could he hold out against the height and power of Hearns for 12 rounds? Mayweather might be able to perform similar to Leonard in the first fight, but he is 2 inches shorter than Leonard and Tommy Hearns would tower over Floyd by 5 inches in height!
Tommy KO's Floyd!
Mayweather V Whitaker would see us all book into a rehab centre due to total confusion, disorientation and possible onset dementia! You would have more chance working out the plot to Inception than picking a winner here.
Duran mutilates Floyd at lightweight but above that Floyd wins.
Leonard beats Floyd at welterweight, he was a real great.
SRL had no trouble with dealing with defensive fighters, see the Wilfred Benitez fight. Or even when Floyd Mayweather Sr tried the shoulder roll vs SRL and failed to be effective.
Roberto Duran at 135 would be too much for Floyd Mayweather Jr, if Floyd Mayweather Jr struggled with JLC then i don't see him beating Roberto Duran.
I think people forget that the 2nd fight with JLC, wasn't a blowout either one of the biggest myths i've seen. The fight was pretty even until the last 2 rounds Floyd Mayweather Jr only won 7-5 max.
I think they both beat Floyd in their primes for the simple reason that they both fought great fighters, they were busier, they tested themselves and came out on the other side. Compare that to Mayweather's legacy of avoidance. No steel without fire, you can't be considered an all time great with Mayweather's undeniable avoidance of tough fights (it isn't just him I put most of today's fighters in that category). I give Hearns the edge as well.
That one post about greatest of all time was completely mystifying. Where is Mayweather's fight against a Duran in his prime? Which of his opponents compares to a Hearns in his prime. Maybe Corrales or Castillo gives Benitez in his prime a competitive fight but that is it. How can you even pretend to know that Mayweather is an all time great?
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Originally Posted by g3org3
How old are you, and have you ever seen a Duran fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HveoL...eature=relatedQuote:
Originally Posted by g3org3
Yes ive seen them all fight duran,srl,hearns, and mayweather beats them all theres noway duran wins floyd compleatly out boxes him to a wide ud win, srl got skills but floyd is just on another level ud again, with hearns its closer but i still think floyd by ud but hearns has the best chance of beating him out these 3 guys, its only my opinion but i honestly can say floyd is the best boxer iver ever seen on tv.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by g3org3
How old are you, and have you ever seen a Duran fight.
Also im 30 not sure what age has to do with it.
Duran's the No 1 lightweight ever IMO, no way could Mayweather live with him at 135. The Duran that beat SRL at 147, nearly a stone above his best weight, beat an all time great Welter and would have beaten just about any Welter you care to name on that night, Mayweather included. Past his prime and at middleweight, nearly 2 stone above his best weight, he was leading on the cards against Hagler, an all time great Middleweight in his prime before fading and losing the last couple of rounds. If he'd won either of those rounds he would have beaten Hagler, how do you think Mayweather would have done against a prime Hagler.?
Leonard / Mayweather at 147 would be interesting. I'd favour Leonard, he had it all at Welter, including one punch KO power.
I agree Hearns would be a nightmare for Mayweather.
I don't think people understand, not only was Roberto Duran the greatest lightweight ever....he was one of the greatest pound for pound boxers OF ALL-TIME.
If Jose Luis Castillo can trouble Floyd, if Ricky Hatton can last 11, if Mosley and Judah can hurt him....then you've got to expect at any weight Duran gives Floyd the fight of his life!
Ray Leonard could match Floyd's speed and Ray could brawl too...I think it would be a very interesting matchup.
Hearns was just a deadly weapon and with his jab and huge right cross, I'm not certain how Floyd lives with that over 12-15 rounds.
The problem Floyd has is Hearns, Duran, and Leonard were all in the same era...Floyd hasn't had that luxury (or setback) to add or subtract from his career.
I'm going to go and look and some fights of Duran. But why is people saying Floyd has no chance at 135? I thought it was the best Floyd vs the best Duran? Saying that, no one is giving Duran a chance at 147. Why? Is Floyd that much better at 147? Or Duran didn't carry weight that good? Was Floyd on the rise at 135 and not yet peaked? Is thats why Duran will beat him? Let's just say they fought at 140. Who wins?
I think Duran has him at any weight to be honest it's just more of a certainty at 135 as Duran is the greatest lightweight of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ant Live
Noway is he the greatest of all time, he got beat like 16 17 times koed in a few of them and just plane quit when in with srl, he was great but not the greatest imoQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI think Duran has him at any weight to be honest it's just more of a certainty at 135 as Duran is the greatest lightweight of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ant Live
Roberto Duran's record at 135: 62-1 the lone loss being a decision loss to Esteban De Jesus whom he later stopped twice. Duran had 12 successful title defenses at 135 as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by g3org3Noway is he the greatest of all time, he got beat like 16 17 times koed in a few of them and just plane quit when in with srl, he was great but not the greatest imoQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI think Duran has him at any weight to be honest it's just more of a certainty at 135 as Duran is the greatest lightweight of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ant Live
You my friend dont have a clue :vd:
Thats a load of shit just wanting to use a record at a certain weight he lost 16 times and got knocked the fuck out 4 times, ok he had over 100 wins but floyd would kick his ass floyd has to much class for duran.
...I don't think "class" is something Floyd has an abundance ofQuote:
Originally Posted by g3org3
outside the ring maybe not but inside the ring hes pure class
He's very skilled and talented, but Roberto Duran was also a phenomenal talent and in one of the deeper eras in boxing history as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3
At WW I'd take Hearns and SRL over Floyd by KO and give Floyd a SD victory over Duran.
You know, different fighters perform differently at different weight classes. Duran happened to be a total beast at 135 and though he did well later, it doesn't compare to what he did t 135.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3
At 135, Duran mangles floyd off his shoulder, nothing less. In higher weight class, I am not as sure though.
One or two, need to put there brain's in gear?
The 80's, was by far one of the best time's in boxing,
great champion's,far better than today.
Floyd great champ for today,back then he would have
been very lucky to win one title.
The great's in the 80's, would be way to much for
today's so called super star's.?;D
g3org3 u r a complete and utter prick, you know fuck all about fuck all, get some facts straght before spouting uneducated drivel:LOLATYOU:
Did I upset you son, calm down take a:chillpill:
Have a :wackomz4: :11fb8:
was not talking about you mush ;)
Ok ;d
What facts do i need to get right ? are you one of these keyboard warriors lolQuote:
Originally Posted by roberto duran legend
You have go to stop sniffing the Ajax! Duran was 72-1 when he lost to Leonard. Only De Jesus beat him at Lightweight in 1972. De Jesus in any other era would be considered a great Lightweight champion, Duran avenged that defeat 2 times. If Duran is not the greatest Lightweight of all time then he is most certainly in the top 3! I have him number one!Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3Noway is he the greatest of all time, he got beat like 16 17 times koed in a few of them and just plane quit when in with srl, he was great but not the greatest imoQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI think Duran has him at any weight to be honest it's just more of a certainty at 135 as Duran is the greatest lightweight of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ant Live
1. Duran
2. Benny Leonard
3. Sweet Pea Whittaker
My All-Time Great lightweights
No argument here, i have Mosley very close behind. He was devastating at Lightweight, then you have Joe Gans, Alexis Arguello, Tony Canzoneri, Ike Williams, Carlos Ortiz etcQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong