around 45 the ref says stop a couple of times, around 47 dirrell throws a punch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpXP2h3JKg0
around about 15 dirrell hits the floor, in the same second abraham throws the punch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEF3jknVjrw
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around 45 the ref says stop a couple of times, around 47 dirrell throws a punch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpXP2h3JKg0
around about 15 dirrell hits the floor, in the same second abraham throws the punch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEF3jknVjrw
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Originally Posted by jabvargas24
hmmmm you raise some interesting points
Well, it's kinda all that needs to be said. Apples and orangesQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by jabvargas24
hmmmm you raise some interesting points
Hitting once lightly when the ref calls break isn't a DQ'able offence. Shit, we'd have most fights end in a DQ if all of those were called.
Blasting your opponent on the temple after he has slipped to the canvas is a DQ'able offence.
On a side note, man if Direll hit Froch with shots like that he would have had him out of there easy. If he had higher work rate he'd be pretty feckin awesome.
hmm i see, so you are allowed to hit late as long as its not too hard?Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
Should have been a warning for hitting on the break. Fighters get DQ'd if the punch results in a KO. I haven't looked at the official rule this is just my take on it.
Ŵhat if the fella had fallen over after the punch and started don a little fit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de Piedra
Absolutely not..
Then he would be disqualified just as Roy Jones was when he hit Griffin and the way Abraham was when he hit Dirrell.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Ŵhat if the fella had fallen over after the punch and started don a little fit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de Piedra
I think the main thing here is to be realistic and reasonable about the intent of the "offender" and the actual power behind the punch. It is clear to see that the punch Dirrel threw late was both unintentional and more of a love tap which would never have resulted in any significant damage to the opponent. Also it was sort of a straight on jab. On the other hand, Abraham, who is known to have a good punch, got Dirrel with a much harder punch thrown with more aggression and from an awkward angle that would twist the head more. The two are only similar in basic concept but otherwise, as someone said earlier, its like apples and oranges.
perhaps, but where do you draw the line?Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
when does the apples and oranges become appanges or orales?
get me?
dirrell threw a punch very very late
Jamie Moore was DQ'd against michael jones for a late punch that was within a second late
following this the world renowned salford university did a extensive study and it was found that a human brain doesnt work quick enough so Jamie would never have been able to pull out of the punch
the AA punch was less than a second after the knee hit the floor and the dirrell punch was a lot more than a second
this shows that there was no intent to bend the rules by AA and there was by Dirrell
surely this means that the punch that dirrell threw deserves the punishment more than that that AA threw despite the power in the punch
also what the viewer sees as a powerful punch and what is a powerfull punch can never be even in the slightest bit proven as fact, for example Lee Selby Knocked out the very durable John Simpson with a body shot a couple of weeks ago that looked nothing at all
if that punch had have landed late and john gone down and selby DQ'd then watching it back we would all be calling John a cheat
I think the ref should have a 3-5 sec window in his head about a punch being late enough to DQ a fighter. You can't DQ a second after the bell.
Should AA have been DQ'd?Quote:
Originally Posted by jabvargas24
Of course he should have. He was being owned for 11 rounds and although it's certainly unfortunate on his part if it was just an instinct reaction from him that he couldn't pull out of, what other option did the referee have? Call it a No Contest and give AA a fresh start in a rematch? That wouldn't have been fair either.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Should AA have been DQ'd?Quote:
Originally Posted by jabvargas24
Do you believe that dirrell was legitimately knocked out?Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
If not, do you think that was fair?
This is the dumbest thread in quite a while. OP - accept that no one agrees with you and quit.
On the one hand, it seems to have been accidental - or at least not malicious. Most fighters hit guys while they're going down, and I'm pretty sure the punch started before it was clear he was down.
On the other hand the referee should have been there - but he was mincing around on the other side of the ring - then he SAUNTERS over... :mad:
Only Direll knows that and it would be stupid of the ref to make a judgement call like that. Everybody had an opinion about Direll after the fight but nobody knew for sure so how can you not DQ Abraham? You call what you see..and it appeared Direll couldn't continue, end of. Anyway didnt that punch cause him to be out for over a year?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Do you believe that dirrell was legitimately knocked out?Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
If not, do you think that was fair?
althugz just nailed it.. How can anybody say that dirrel should have been dq'd..Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzOnly Direll knows that and it would be stupid of the ref to make a judgement call like that. Everybody had an opinion about Direll after the fight but nobody knew for sure so how can you not DQ Abraham? You call what you see..and it appeared Direll couldn't continue, end of. Anyway didnt that punch cause him to be out for over a year?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Do you believe that dirrell was legitimately knocked out?Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
If not, do you think that was fair?
He may have exaggerated a bit but that's not even the issue cuz abraham commited a blatant foul either way.
I actually think dirrell was robbed of a career defining moment cuz it looked as though he was cruising his way to a wide decision victory..
its very clear he was play actingQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
you could be right about the posibility of that being a career defining win but he threw it away himself
and yes he was out for a year but what choice did he have? how would he have been seenif he had come back before then?
noone agrees with me on what point big man?Quote:
Originally Posted by shza
Whether he was acting or not, dirrell took a full swing while defenseless although abe didnt put everything into that punch. But that's beside the point because a foul like that warrants an automatic DQ and the ref made the right call that night.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44its very clear he was play actingQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
you could be right about the posibility of that being a career defining win but he threw it away himself
and yes he was out for a year but what choice did he have? how would he have been seenif he had come back before then?
yep the ref made the only decision he could, the question is tho should dirrell have been DQ'dQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaWhether he was acting or not, dirrell took a full swing while defenseless although abe didnt put everything into that punch. But that's beside the point because a foul like that warrants an automatic DQ and the ref made the right call that night.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44its very clear he was play actingQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
you could be right about the posibility of that being a career defining win but he threw it away himself
and yes he was out for a year but what choice did he have? how would he have been seenif he had come back before then?
And the answer is "NO"Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
with the suggestion that there's even a question about whether dirrell should have been dq'd for tapping on the break.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44noone agrees with me on what point big man?Quote:
Originally Posted by shza
par for the course with your threads/comments. probably still buttsore from froch being humiliated in the super 6.
you are taking over as the forum eggQuote:
Originally Posted by shzawith the suggestion that there's even a question about whether dirrell should have been dq'd for tapping on the break.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44noone agrees with me on what point big man?Quote:
Originally Posted by shza
par for the course with your threads/comments. probably still buttsore from froch being humiliated in the super 6.
btw, froch wasnt humiliated in the super six, he got to the final and lost by 2 or 3 rounds by way of the score cards
pretty good performance all in all, especially considering he had 1 fight at home and the winner didnt once fight outside his home country
so take a chill pill dude ;D
you raise some interesting pointsQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAnd the answer is "NO"Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
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Originally Posted by erics44yep the ref made the only decision he could, the question is tho should dirrell have been DQ'dQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaWhether he was acting or not, dirrell took a full swing while defenseless although abe didnt put everything into that punch. But that's beside the point because a foul like that warrants an automatic DQ and the ref made the right call that night.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44its very clear he was play actingQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
you could be right about the posibility of that being a career defining win but he threw it away himself
and yes he was out for a year but what choice did he have? how would he have been seenif he had come back before then?
What are you trying to saying, Eric? lol All of us on this thread already answered that ques and it's a BIG NO..
The ref made the only decision he could by DQing Abraham.. NOthing more needs to be said.
i dunno what im trying to say, im just raising an interesting pointQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
dirrell got the biggest win of his career through a DQ and then the very next fight commits the same offence
i'd have laughed if cunningham would have rolled around the floor convulsing
It was the first warning, the punch was a glancing shot, the fighter was asked if he was ready & able to continue, and the shot from Abraham was flush and KO'd Dirrell....thoughI thought Dirrell's acting was embellished and a bit over the top if you ask me, but hey the ref took it and that's all that needs to happen for a fight to end in a DQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44you raise some interesting pointsQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAnd the answer is "NO"Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
The very harshest punishment for Dirrell would have been to take a point, but hell it's erroneous he KO'd the dude with his next punch
the dude messed up really, he should have had a hissy fitQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIt was the first warning, the punch was a glancing shot, the fighter was asked if he was ready & able to continue, and the shot from Abraham was flush and KO'd Dirrell....thoughI thought Dirrell's acting was embellished and a bit over the top if you ask me, but hey the ref took it and that's all that needs to happen for a fight to end in a DQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44you raise some interesting pointsQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAnd the answer is "NO"Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
The very harshest punishment for Dirrell would have been to take a point, but hell it's erroneous he KO'd the dude with his next punch
would have been a big win for him
dude, i was here nearly 5 years before you arrived.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44you are taking over as the forum eggQuote:
Originally Posted by shzawith the suggestion that there's even a question about whether dirrell should have been dq'd for tapping on the break.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44noone agrees with me on what point big man?Quote:
Originally Posted by shza
par for the course with your threads/comments. probably still buttsore from froch being humiliated in the super 6.
btw, froch wasnt humiliated in the super six, he got to the final and lost by 2 or 3 rounds by way of the score cards
pretty good performance all in all, especially considering he had 1 fight at home and the winner didnt once fight outside his home country
so take a chill pill dude ;D
relying on those ridiculous scorecards from the froch-ward fight speaks for itself. if that's the best you can do . . . .
hilarious also to reference his one fight at home, since he would not have "won" (been gifted) that fight outside of the UK.
but anyway, the response from every single other person on the thread is that what you raise is not "an interesting question" but rather a stupid attempt at provocation (in typical fashion). i don't believe even you honestly think dirrell should have been dq'd or even had a point deducted for that.
ok, i'm chill now.
im not sure you are that chilled, you seem a bit up tightQuote:
Originally Posted by shza
the score cards for the final are only ridiculous acording to you, and it is your opinion that Froch wouldn't have won agaist Dirrell in any other town
you must have just emerged as the number one egg recently since skel and boxingbantz stopped posting, perhaps you were a little overshaddowed before and thats maybe why i didnt notice you
they are both in their early teens mind, whats your excuse?
Read around a bit on what every single boxing writer (and everyone except you and dropanuke on this forum) thinks about those scores. Actually, you already have and you're just playing your role as provocateur.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44im not sure you are that chilled, you seem a bit up tightQuote:
Originally Posted by shza
the score cards for the final are only ridiculous acording to you, and it is your opinion that Froch wouldn't have won agaist Dirrell in any other town
you must have just emerged as the number one egg recently since skel and boxingbantz stopped posting, perhaps you were a little overshaddowed before and thats maybe why i didnt notice you
they are both in their early teens mind, whats your excuse?
Chill as can be.
I thought it was 8-4 to ward, i thought ward won the first 4 and then it was an even fight
Froch definately wasnt humiliated