Bernard Hopkins vs Joe Calzaghe I and result of a hypothetical rematch

I was wondering who you guys thought won the first fight and how you scored it. I had it 115-113 for Hopkins. Calzaghe was busier, but Hopkins landed better punches. Also, who do you think would win a rematch? I bring up the topic because Calzaghe has been talking trash about Hopkins regarding a potential unification fight Bernard may have with WBO champion Nathan Cleverly.

I forget the score but I had Calzaghe clearly winning. I dont why some fans make it out to be some contoversial decision but I dont think it was at all. Hopkins has nobody to blame but himself for giving up the early rounds similiar to what happened in the first taylor fight.



Calzaghe's style is all wrong for Nard and same thing would happen in a rematch.

I scored the fight for Hopkins by 2 rounds I believe.. I based it mostly on EFFECTIVE punching. Joe's slapping didn't do it for me sorry guys..
I feel Hopkins will beat him even worse on the rematch and hopefully get the decision.

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Originally Posted by redbaron

I was wondering who you guys thought won the first fight and how you scored it. I had it 115-113 for Hopkins. Calzaghe was busier, but Hopkins landed better punches. Also, who do you think would win a rematch? I bring up the topic because Calzaghe has been talking trash about Hopkins regarding a potential unification fight Bernard may have with WBO champion Nathan Cleverly.

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Hopkins won the fight. He scored the only knock down and landed all the harder, noteworthy punches. Except for the punch to Hopkins groin area I can't recall any significant punch Calzaghe landed. Calzaghe was busier. But they were all illegal slaps and arm punches. His usage of smoke and mirrors was outstanding. I'll give him that. It's what gave him this undeserved win.

As for the hypothetical rematch? Pretty simple. There's a reason Hopkins pushed and pushed for a rematch. And while Calzaghe didn't.

Slow start from Calzaghe but he strolled it on home from the 4th onwards. Calzaghe won that fight by a considerable margin. As the fight went on he forced Hopkins to fight at his pace and outlanded Hopkins something ridiculous. Not a difficult fight to score and in polls I have done on this most people have Joe winning.

Just maybe Calzaghe didn't care for a rematch because he felt the same as what popular opinions suggests which was a convincing Calzaghe victory.

A rematch would go the same way except Calzaghe wouldn't be a sucker for the lead right in the first round.

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

I forget the score but I had Calzaghe clearly winning. I dont why some fans make it out to be some contoversial decision but I dont think it was at all. Hopkins has nobody to blame but himself for giving up the early rounds similiar to what happened in the first taylor fight.



Calzaghe's style is all wrong for Nard and same thing would happen in a rematch.

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Hopkins was the one that started better , it was calzaghe that took 4-5 rounds to get into the fight

scored it 114-113 hopkins

114-113 Hopkins with the knock down as the deciding factor. Any time he actually threw any punches, Hopkins won the round. I don't think Calzaghe landed more than three clean shots all night.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

Slow start from Calzaghe but he strolled it on home from the 4th onwards. Calzaghe won that fight by a considerable margin. As the fight went on he forced Hopkins to fight at his pace and outlanded Hopkins something ridiculous. Not a difficult fight to score and in polls I have done on this most people have Joe winning.

Just maybe Calzaghe didn't care for a rematch because he felt the same as what popular opinions suggests which was a convincing Calzaghe victory.

A rematch would go the same way except Calzaghe wouldn't be a sucker for the lead right in the first round.

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You mean like the one Roy Jones knocked him down with in his very next fight? Calzaghe was always a sucker for the right. There was no adjustment he could of made

And how the fuck can you or anybody have Calzaghe winning when he landed damn near no legal punches? Lot of people need to read up on basic boxing rules

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Striking
The boxer can only strike with a closed fist using the front knuckle portion of the glove. Slapping with an open hand or striking with the wrist or lace area is illegal. The thumb must be held tight to the fist to avoid eye-gouging.

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Shit not hard to understand

It' 'seem's old Joe leave's a nasty taste in some of your mouth's
O yes Undefeated Undisputed Champion Of The World.? Ha Ha ;D:LOLATYOU:

The fight was easy to score

8-4 to calzaghe, and add the knockdown to that

Yes hopkins probably landed the best 4 or 5 punches of the fight but thats all he landed

i can see both sides to the argument on a lot of fights but i cant understand how anyone can score that fight to bhop

The result would be similar although joe could get out of the blocks quicker and win by more

Bernard won this fight easily under the rules of "boxing", heck if you put a bet on in the 12th round for a JC victory, you would have made a killing.

Cleaner, harder shots - He could have been busier but why does it matter when your opponent isn't landing effective punches. (Landed more punches on Hopkins than Roy Jones, my left nut!)

Again I refer to this wonderful stoppage from this barrage of bitch slaps whilst Daddy Enzo holds Joe's handbag...and again I say, FUCK Joe Calzaghe..

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...6/accuracy.gif

I hope he's still arrogant enough to come out of retirement so he can take a blemish on that BS undefeated record of his

I don't know........ the ref did step in and prevented Manfredo's cheeks from becoming seriously reddened.

Wo


Why are people so bitter about calzaghe?

Not bitter at all, bro. But i HAVE seen more meaningful combinations thrown by middle-aged women fighting over a Kmart "blue-light special".

I thought Bernard edged it 114-113.

Close fight with hard to score rounds.

Hopkins did the better work early where Calzaghe did better in the second half of the fight.

The majority of fans favored Calzaghe which i have no problem with.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Not bitter at all, bro. But i HAVE seen more meaningful combinations thrown by middle-aged women fighting over a Kmart "blue-light special".

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That sounds bitter

How many time's, do I have to tell you lot point
1 Undisputed that mean's, the main man doe's it not,
point 2 Undefeated that mean's you have NEVER lost.?
3rd point World Champion, That's Joe Calzagehe by
the way B Hopp RJJ are none of the above.;D:soapbox:

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Not bitter at all, bro. But i HAVE seen more meaningful combinations thrown by middle-aged women fighting over a Kmart "blue-light special".

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That sounds bitter

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As Alan Partridge would say 'Bunch of bitter bastards'. The Hopkins crew has never gotten over this loss. And again as Alan would say 'It's just sad'. A wise man is old Alan.

This discussion would have more meaning to it had Robin 'The Grim Reaper' Reid not already beaten Calzaghe ;D

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Not bitter at all, bro. But i HAVE seen more meaningful combinations thrown by middle-aged women fighting over a Kmart "blue-light special".

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That sounds bitter

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As Alan Partridge would say 'Bunch of bitter bastards'. The Hopkins crew has never gotten over this loss. And again as Alan would say 'It's just sad'. A wise man is old Alan.

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The "Hopkins crew"? Oh no, bro.... don't lump me in with that bunch. Not a Hopkins fan by any stretch of the imagination (and not just 'cause he beat Tito). :)

I admire Hopkins' longevity in the sport, and everything he's accomplished. But by no means am I a Hopkins fan. I'm just commenting on the "flurry" by Calzaghe on Manfredo. You gotta admit..... there's a lot of slapping going on in there.

:)

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Originally Posted by Dia bando

How many time's, do I have to tell you lot point
1 Undisputed that mean's, the main man doe's it not,
point 2 Undefeated that mean's you have NEVER lost.?
3rd point World Champion, That's Joe Calzagehe by
the way B Hopp RJJ are none of the above.;D:soapbox:

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Holy shit you are annoying. I don't know if it's your lack of boxing knowledge, your lack of brain usage or maybe your terrible spelling. Maybe it's the fact that you have Calzagehe's dick so far inside ur mouth that it's poking your brain and blocking any rational thinking from occurring. Most boxing fans know Joe was a fraud. Sure he was good but he almost got stopped by a shot Roy Jones and Hopkins beat him and got robbed. Prime Jones or Hopkins would of slaughtered him. He's undefeated? Since when does that mean shit? He had crappy competition and his biggest win was against Hopkins which once again was controversial and IMO he clearly lost by 2 rounds based on effective punching, like VD has stated slaps are not legal punches. But why am I explaining myself to a moron who has said before that "wales are gods chosen people" .. Idk

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Originally Posted by Dia bando

How many time's, do I have to tell you lot point
1 Undisputed that mean's, the main man doe's it not,
point 2 Undefeated that mean's you have NEVER lost.?
3rd point World Champion, That's Joe Calzagehe by
the way B Hopp RJJ are none of the above.;D:soapbox:

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Holy shit you are annoying. I don't know if it's your lack of boxing knowledge, your lack of brain usage or maybe your terrible spelling. Maybe it's the fact that you have Calzagehe's dick so far inside ur mouth that it's poking your brain and blocking any rational thinking from occurring. Most boxing fans know Joe was a fraud. Sure he was good but he almost got stopped by a shot Roy Jones and Hopkins beat him and got robbed. Prime Jones or Hopkins would of slaughtered him. He's undefeated? Since when does that mean shit? He had crappy competition and his biggest win was against Hopkins which once again was controversial and IMO he clearly lost by 2 rounds based on effective punching, like VD has stated slaps are not legal punches. But why am I explaining myself to a moron who has said before that "wales are gods chosen people" .. Idk

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Go back to sleep, take :chillpill: yes my spelling my be bad, but a fact is a fact
and he did beat Hopshit in your back yard, bitter taste my boy.;D

It seem's you would like to rewrite, the record book's my Boy,
Joe did beat two of your best, I can hear you grinding your teeth,
all the way back hear in God's country, do you feel you may have to:throwup:

Have some:flowers: let's be friend's :lolololol:

Just a thought, but are you aware that you don't have to hit "ENTER" in the middle of every line?
Just saying....

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Not bitter at all, bro. But i HAVE seen more meaningful combinations thrown by middle-aged women fighting over a Kmart "blue-light special".

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That sounds bitter

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As Alan Partridge would say 'Bunch of bitter bastards'. The Hopkins crew has never gotten over this loss. And again as Alan would say 'It's just sad'. A wise man is old Alan.

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The "Hopkins crew"? Oh no, bro.... don't lump me in with that bunch. Not a Hopkins fan by any stretch of the imagination (and not just 'cause he beat Tito). :)

I admire Hopkins' longevity in the sport, and everything he's accomplished. But by no means am I a Hopkins fan. I'm just commenting on the "flurry" by Calzaghe on Manfredo. You gotta admit..... there's a lot of slapping going on in there.

:)

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It was a poor stoppage. A crap fight too, I was against it from the start.

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

I forget the score but I had Calzaghe clearly winning. I dont why some fans make it out to be some contoversial decision but I dont think it was at all. Hopkins has nobody to blame but himself for giving up the early rounds similiar to what happened in the first taylor fight.



Calzaghe's style is all wrong for Nard and same thing would happen in a rematch.

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Hopkins was the one that started better , it was calzaghe that took 4-5 rounds to get into the fight

scored it 114-113 hopkins

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You are right. My memories of this fight was hazy so I just got done watching it again and it was hops who started early with Calzaghe coming on in the mid rounds.

But ultimately, it was hops's lack of punch output that cost him the fight which isnt the first time that's happened to him.

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Not bitter at all, bro. But i HAVE seen more meaningful combinations thrown by middle-aged women fighting over a Kmart "blue-light special".

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That sounds bitter

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As Alan Partridge would say 'Bunch of bitter bastards'. The Hopkins crew has never gotten over this loss. And again as Alan would say 'It's just sad'. A wise man is old Alan.

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The "Hopkins crew"? Oh no, bro.... don't lump me in with that bunch. Not a Hopkins fan by any stretch of the imagination (and not just 'cause he beat Tito). :)

I admire Hopkins' longevity in the sport, and everything he's accomplished. But by no means am I a Hopkins fan. I'm just commenting on the "flurry" by Calzaghe on Manfredo. You gotta admit..... there's a lot of slapping going on in there.

:)

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It was a poor stoppage. A crap fight too, I was against it from the start.

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...and it was Calzaghe's 43rd fight!! LMAO..honestly :vd: I rest my case, I really do. The fuck are you doing fighting Manfredo in your 43rd fight? 3 fights away from retirement..

The measure for me isn't how many casual fans thought Calzaghe won..it's easy to speak to the majority of Brits who will automatically have a bias towards a fellow Brit so your results are automatically skewed.

I'm talking if any of you are close to the boxing community. I promise you, the week after that fight I didn't hear one person say they thought that Calzaghe won that fight. From amateur boxers in Repton..from trainers to pro boxers. Nobody. They were all Brit's too. THAT to me is a much better and neutral measure of what happened in the fight.

The whole "well, 70% of the public thought he won" is a mute point anyway. He got the "W" JUST..and it was his greatest victory..a split decision over a 40-something Bhop. I rest my case..He sucks balls.

Althugz

That post is utter bollox mate sorry, there isnt any point in trying to reply, honestly man read it back, there is no fact in there at all, read it back and tell me you dont sound bitter

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Althugz

That post is utter bollox mate sorry, there isnt any point in trying to reply, honestly man read it back, there is no fact in there at all, read it back and tell me you dont sound bitter

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People being bitter and twisted,about Joe I can not believe it.? erics44 ;D
It's very upsetting:lolhaha:

I had calzaghe winning easy by a few points wasn't even close imo

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I had calzaghe winning easy by a few points wasn't even close imo

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^^ This...

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I had calzaghe winning easy by a few points wasn't even close imo

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Well it must of been close considering fans 4 years later still post threads asking who we think won the fight.

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I had calzaghe winning easy by a few points wasn't even close imo

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Well it must of been close considering fans 4 years later still post threads asking who we think won the fight.

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It's one of those strange fights that people have a bunch of wildly varying views on and they're all convinced they're right.

Like myself, I've watched the fight three times and I don't understand how anyone can say Calzaghe won it easily. He did nothing effective and landed almost no punches all fight. He just madly slapped at the air while Hopkins, IMO, made him look somewhat foolish. On the other hand, someone will undoubtedly call me all sorts of horrible names, deride my boxing knowledge, and possibly question my sexuality for having this opinion.

I loathe Hopkins and was cheering for Calzaghe too, for whatever that is worth.

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Not bitter at all, bro. But i HAVE seen more meaningful combinations thrown by middle-aged women fighting over a Kmart "blue-light special".

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That sounds bitter

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As Alan Partridge would say 'Bunch of bitter bastards'. The Hopkins crew has never gotten over this loss. And again as Alan would say 'It's just sad'. A wise man is old Alan.

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The "Hopkins crew"? Oh no, bro.... don't lump me in with that bunch. Not a Hopkins fan by any stretch of the imagination (and not just 'cause he beat Tito). :)

I admire Hopkins' longevity in the sport, and everything he's accomplished. But by no means am I a Hopkins fan. I'm just commenting on the "flurry" by Calzaghe on Manfredo. You gotta admit..... there's a lot of slapping going on in there.

:)

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It was a poor stoppage. A crap fight too, I was against it from the start.

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If I remember correctly you were all for it. Calling it one of Calzaghe's greatest threats at the time. Sadly you were right on that account

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I had calzaghe winning easy by a few points wasn't even close imo

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Well it must of been close considering fans 4 years later still post threads asking who we think won the fight.

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It's one of those strange fights that people have a bunch of wildly varying views on and they're all convinced they're right.

Like myself, I've watched the fight three times and I don't understand how anyone can say Calzaghe one is easily. He did nothing effective and landed almost no punches all fight. He just madly slapped at the air while Hopkins, IMO, made him look somewhat foolish.

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I saw the same fight you did. And I also do not understand for a second how anyone can say it was "decisive" or "clear" for Calzaghe. He didn't even get three judges. The amount of Calzaghe dicksucking from the Brits is beyond embarrassing.

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Althugz

That post is utter bollox mate sorry, there isnt any point in trying to reply, honestly man read it back, there is no fact in there at all, read it back and tell me you dont sound bitter

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I just read it back...Perhaps we are reading different posts..

It was his 43rd fight - FACT
Everybody I personally know in the boxing community thought Hopkins won - FACT
Brits will automatically be biased towards Brits, Mexicans towards Mexicans etc - FACT
It was his greatest victory - FACT (MAYBE you can make a case for Kessler being his best victory but that's just as bad)

The only thing I can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt is that he sucks balls but I'm working on it

Let's read your post back :

It was an easy fight to score - Opinion
Calzaghe won easily 8-4 - Opinion
I don't know how anyone can have Hopkins winning this fight - Opinion

Need I go on?? No...you simply can't reply to my post because you have no answer..*sigh* Calzaghe fans :rolleyes:

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Althugz

That post is utter bollox mate sorry, there isnt any point in trying to reply, honestly man read it back, there is no fact in there at all, read it back and tell me you dont sound bitter

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I just read it back...Perhaps we are reading different posts..

It was his 43rd fight - FACT
Everybody I personally know in the boxing community thought Hopkins won - FACT
Brits will automatically be biased towards Brits, Mexicans towards Mexicans etc - FACT
It was his greatest victory - FACT (MAYBE you can make a case for Kessler being his best victory but that's just as bad)

The only thing I can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt is that he sucks balls but I'm working on it

Let's read your post back :

It was an easy fight to score - Opinion
Calzaghe won easily 8-4 - Opinion
I don't know how anyone can have Hopkins winning this fight - Opinion

Need I go on?? No...you simply can't reply to my post because you have no answer..*sigh* Calzaghe fans :rolleyes:

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You can't change History,and that a FACT.?;D

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...and it was Calzaghe's 43rd fight!! LMAO..honestly :vd: I rest my case, I really do. The fuck are you doing fighting Manfredo in your 43rd fight? 3 fights away from retirement..

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yes it was his 43rd fight, but you name me a boxer that once he has made it to the top hasnt had "fights off", all the top fighters do, including hopkins and i bet you could find fighters that arent top of the pile who hopkins has fought during the latter part of his carear. This is a very bitter statement

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The measure for me isn't how many casual fans thought Calzaghe won..it's easy to speak to the majority of Brits who will automatically have a bias towards a fellow Brit so your results are automatically skewed.

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yes people are bias towards the fighters they like. Calzaghe won the fight tho, it wasnt a controversial decision, to shout and scream about the calzaghe fans being biast because they agree with the decision shows bitterness

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I'm talking if any of you are close to the boxing community. I promise you, the week after that fight I didn't hear one person say they thought that Calzaghe won that fight. From amateur boxers in Repton..from trainers to pro boxers. Nobody. They were all Brit's too. THAT to me is a much better and neutral measure of what happened in the fight.

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this is utter bollox mate and also shows bitterness

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Originally Posted by Althugz

The whole "well, 70% of the public thought he won" is a mute point anyway. He got the "W" JUST..and it was his greatest victory..a split decision over a 40-something Bhop. I rest my case..He sucks balls.

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yep, i think considering what hopkins has done since, calzaghe so clearly won the last 8 rounds it was probably his best win. He obviously doesnt suck balls tho :)

by the way, you youtube it and pick any of the last 8 rounds, pick hopkins best out of those 8

and lets duscuss it :)

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by the way, you youtube it and pick any of the last 8 rounds, pick hopkins best out of those 8

and lets duscuss it :)

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You no something erics, all way's like the word UNDEFEATED, not many people can put that at the side
of there name, I wonder could RJJ or Bernardo no, but I no a man that CAN and that's a FACT.?;D