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Why is it that MMA fighter`s never leave the cage to box while boxers seem to gravite to cage fighting? You would think it would be the other way around seeing theres so much more money to make in boxing(at the higher levels) but im sure if anderson silva would do ok and use his name to make the big bucks. MMA seems a lot harder than boxing(i box and have never tried cage fighting) the rounds are longer and they have so much more to deal with ,wrestling and so forth.
I'm an MMA newbie and a long-time boxing fan. I honestly can't think of any MMA guy who would be able to make it to the upper levels in boxing. At the same time, I have a hard time believing any pro oxer could make it to the top levels of MMA as well.
There would be absolutely no reason for Anderson Silva or any top MMA fighter to go into boxing. If they are having success in their own particular field why would they go and try another sport they have experience in?
It's as stupid as Sebastian Vettel announcing that next season he will be driving rally cross instead of Formula one, or Roger Federer swapping tennis for badminton.
There are no active boxers coming over the MMA. It's a last resort thing for those guys, people like James Toney and Ray Mercer who have nowhere to go in boxing and so appear in a couple MMA events that sell out of the novelty factor.
Kimbo Slice has come over the UFC into boxing now. He's currently 3-0 in boxing I believe, though having thought some very weak opposition.
MMA is fast growing sport, and I believe eventually it will overtake boxing as the premier combat sport. It simply has too much momentum and I think most kids walking into gym's in a few years would rather learn a complete fighting system than just specialising in a peculiar gentleman's sport where you fight only with your fists according to strict rules that wouldn't apply in real life.
MMA is much closer to the sport of actual fighting, and therefore likely to be a much appealing skillset to have.
I think the trend will be that more boxers chance their arm in the MMA world than vice versa.
I think they would lose at least %50 of what gameplan they have. Just think of the adjustments, ring, clock, rounds, zero ground game, actually bending at the waist, etc etc . Its a whole different world and depth to me. The guys who "box" a bit now in mma and sometimes get boooed may do the best. Thought there was talk of a Nick diaz coming to boxing (?).
People in mma won't go to boxing because it's harder. No disrespect to MMA im just saying its a way more difficult because your only options are your hands. In MMA there are way more options to master and ofcourse you can't master them all. For example if your going to fight a guy that's a great kick boxer you take him to the ground. If he's a great wrestler you stay away and keep the fight on your feet and if your even you fight to see who's better. But in boxing if the opponent is a better boxer there is no way of beating him. That is why it's more difficult. So boxers could go to a cage and still win aslong as they're not taken down. But if an MMA fighter goes in a ring, his hands are his only options and obviously you'll never beat a guy that's been perfecting one thing while you TRY to perfect many things.
I think either way the fighter would not be as good.
You move a boxer to MMA he has to learn the ground game. He cant put his head down as he would get kneed. He could not turn his back coz he would get submitted. There is alot to learn.
Move an MMA fighter into boxing there are a load of problems there too. He will be no where as good at boxing as his opponent coz he has trained in other diciplins and will not have the tricks and the full knowledge of a boxer. Less power with bigger gloves. Bad habbits from UFC like using knees and spinning back fists etc.
Also a top Boxer should be fitter and more skilled than an MMA fighter. Not saying that MMA fighters are lazy but there is alot more money in Boxing. When you pump more money into a sport the players train harder for the prize and generaly improve.
Well they picked up MMA cuz they weren't good enough for Boxing in the first place. lol Some have secret desire for men so they use that aggression as an excuse to get fruity on the canvas with figure gay triangles and nuts all up in their face.
It takes more skills, dedication, heart and the whole nine to become a successful boxer..
Thats all great in saying all that bullsh*t. But MMA is the whole fighting package. If you are fighting someone in the street you will not be able to say no holding or no submissions. You would not be able to turn your back and expect the other to stop fighting. You wouldnt be able to bend over and not expect to be hit because there would be a knee coming in the direction of your face.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
The art of fighting is a lot more than just punching.
I love boxing and MMA. Boxing is more refined and controlled. MMA is more of an all out battle with no stops by the ref and no ten count.
Another sport that should be broadcast in this country is K1. All stand up fighting and the use of all of your limbs. That would be sweeeeeeeeeeet.
Having the use of kicks and knees adds a whole array of new moves. The ground game has so many good submissions and a whole dinamic of its own.
It can be boring when you get a fighter hold the other one down all the time but boxing can also be boring. When one fighter keeps grabbing the other and spoiling, the boxer could guard all the time not wanting to fight.
If there was as much money in MMA as there is in boxing then you would see the standards rise.
The only problem with that would be that the best fighters would then try to avoid each other in fear of losing there status like many top boxers today.
Out of the threads I've read I think mine is the only right one. It just speaks the truth.
The problem with that is there are many types of styles in boxing. You get your power punchers. Your slicksters. You get your counter punchers etc, etc. Most people say styles make fights, which I believe is true. One style in boxing can destroy another but can also lose to another one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abelardus
So if you saying best boxer comes in to MMA ring and can win. And best MMA fighter can come into a boxing ring and doesnt have a chance I dissagree.
The MMA fighter has just as much chance landing the perfect shot as the boxer has of getting that perfect shot off before he gets taken down.
If the MMA fighter can walk the boxer to the edge of the cage, the boxer will not be able to hold on to him to avoid punches as he would be taken down. The boxer would simply have to run backwards to avoid clinches and hope to get that shot off. Not to mention if he knocks him down he has to finish him of, which means ground and pound. And many MMA fights have been finished by the injured guy on the floor getting hold of the punching agressor and submitting him.
No body has sucsessfuly come into the UFC and become Number one with only one focus. Wth the acception of Brock Lesner but he has now been found out to be weak against punchers so he will need to learn some boxing to evade such strikes before taking his opponents down. Of course there only the opponents that have the ability to stop one of his take downs in the first place and not many people can do that. Only very skilled MMA fighters.
So either sport you enter the ring with a heavy handycap.
I regard boxing as an art form and the ultimate act of manly combat. It is about guile and ability and at it's best is like ballet with blood. It is beautiful to watch and I cannot say the same about MMA. It's irrelevant about what wins on the street as that is common and lowly and only a thug fights in the street. Combat in the boxing ring elevates a man and makes him respected. Combat in the street only leads to a knife in the back and a spell behind bars.
Boxing is a sublime art whilst MMA is barroom brawling plus wrestling. There is nothing beautiful about MMA, but to see the likes of Toney, Barrera and Calzaghe put on a display is glorious, profound and visionary. Then of course you have post fight interviews and it all becomes somewhat less profound, but that is besides the point. They handle it better than Chuck Giampa.
MMA has it's place so doe's boxing,what I have seen of MMA or mixed marshal art's fighter's some have done well in boxing.But most can't box to save there life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
As with some pro boxer's in MMA if it's stand up fight punching boxer win's but it's not.
Each sport has it's place and there fan's, you my like both or not as the old say go's beauty is in the eye of the beholder.!;D
In the street was not the best use of words on my behalf. What i meant to say is that if there were no rules to fighting each other it would suit the MMA guy. I am not trying to put MMA above boxing I am just saying that it is a different sport and has many interesting techniques, if you take your time to watch and understand it. Once you learn the ground game it can be interesting to see the submissions and the escapes. I have seen some amasing knock outs with leg kicks, You must have seen Crocop when he was younger. As weel as knees and even slams (Rampage jackson). Or a guy who is getting the crap beaten out of him by the bigger stronger guy and then suddenly pulls off a submission that finishes the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Alot of people are put off by the ground game but it is essential beacause you cant dissregard it in a fight.
You cant continue a fight with a broken arm or if you have been rendered unconcious with a triangle choke hold.
I must admit I prefere to watch a single Major boxing fight but over all an MMA event is usually more exciting. I however pay for Boxing but not for MMA any more.
If they bought K1 over here im sure you would watch it. You cant hate K1 surely.
I shall never take the time to watch MMA with any serious effort just as I shall never learn to knit, learn the rules of baseball or watch people play domino's. I prefer to live in ignorance with what I know to be splendid rather than force myself to respect a couple of goatee sporting muscle Mary's throwing wondrous shapes over one another on the floor.
I prefer my combat to be of the standing up variety and so boxing is the winner and thus this place is my home. I shall never post on the MMA board as I only want to see people rolling on the floor after being hit by an upright standing chap.
Boxing has the history and just as chess is the king of board games, boxing is the ultimate in combat sports. Nothing else can compare nor should even enter the equation.
That is all that I have to say on the issue. Words are wasted on MMA and all the horror that surrounds it. When Joseph Conrad wrote the Heart of Darkness MMA was on his mind and with it the mighty words "Oh the horror". Or was it imperialism? For this matter let it be MMA.
MMA fighters don't choose boxing for plenty of reasons, its just like why they didn't choose any other single martial art. As talented as guys like Anderson Silva et al are they don't throw punches like boxers or have defense like boxers. Plus going from 4 oz gloves up to boxing gloves you've got to feel that extra weight.
MMA is what it is...I don't like it for many of the reasons miles stated AND that the boxing knowledge is so poor from the fighters.
I agreed with Miles' sentiments until he brought up Calzaghe as a plus point for boxing which really lowers the credibility of the arguement but alas, mistakes are made and can be forgiven..
MMA fighters don't make the switch because they would be destroyed. While I accept that MMA is a more "complete" fighting art, the fighters themselves are more like Jacks of all trades and masters of none. Of course, they have their strengths..Brock was an NCAA wrestling champion but the skills of an elite boxer who has mastered his craft just cannot be found in MMA (Think Floyd, Marquez etc)
Sure MMA is a more functional way to fight on the street but that doesn't make it any fun to watch. At least not for me. I have tried watching certain fights when friends on my Facebook post about how exhilarating the fight last night was..10 out
10 out of 10 times I've found the fight to be boring, scrappy and unrefined. Not my thing. Give me the sweet science all day long and twice on Saturdays
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Originally Posted by Althugz
You really don't like him, do you. ;D
Boxing has a wonderful thing called technique and I will agree with your two examples too. Floyd and Marquez have exceptional technique. Calzaghe less so, but for me his perfection lies within his imperfections. He could only ever be a boxer. He is an avante garde pugilist, whilst they are textbook.
Well that was a totally sensible and rational response. I'm dissapointed that you've left me with no retort. Apart from yes, I am a self confessed Calzaghe hater!Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfQuote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
You really don't like him, do you. ;D
Boxing has a wonderful thing called technique and I will agree with your two examples too. Floyd and Marquez have exceptional technique. Calzaghe less so, but for me his perfection lies within his imperfections. He could only ever be a boxer. He is an avante garde pugilist, whilst they are textbook.
Have you ever boxed yourself.?;DQuote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzWell that was a totally sensible and rational response. I'm dissapointed that you've left me with no retort. Apart from yes, I am a self confessed Calzaghe hater!Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfQuote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
You really don't like him, do you. ;D
Boxing has a wonderful thing called technique and I will agree with your two examples too. Floyd and Marquez have exceptional technique. Calzaghe less so, but for me his perfection lies within his imperfections. He could only ever be a boxer. He is an avante garde pugilist, whilst they are textbook.
There is so much fail in this thread its laughable
Yes, I was awful..but I could throw a better shot than Joe Calzaghe on my first day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoHave you ever boxed yourself.?;DQuote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzWell that was a totally sensible and rational response. I'm dissapointed that you've left me with no retort. Apart from yes, I am a self confessed Calzaghe hater!Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfQuote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
You really don't like him, do you. ;D
Boxing has a wonderful thing called technique and I will agree with your two examples too. Floyd and Marquez have exceptional technique. Calzaghe less so, but for me his perfection lies within his imperfections. He could only ever be a boxer. He is an avante garde pugilist, whilst they are textbook.
I agree that a top MMA fighter would not have much of a chance against a top boxer. But a top boxer would not have much of a chance against a top MMA fighter. There are simply too many dangers for a boxer to avoid. If they get into a clinch, the fight would be over. I have not seen many boxing fights that end before a single clinch. Put your head down, turn your back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
Same with a UFC fighter in boxing. He will have no where near as much boxing knowledge. He will be a much sloppier boxer. Less power with bigger gloves. Not the same upper body movement a boxer needs to learn. Less ahnd speed, etc.
Now with time, either pesron from either sport could learn the other discipline and be just as good. It all depends on the person and not the fact they trained in another sport.
I know I will never get equal ground here as im on a boxing forum. But I have seen so many top fighters from other sports come to UFC and get found out. They only improve and stand a chance when they learn the full array of MMA.
The fact that you think a boxer has a better chance of doing well in UFC than the other way round shows ignorance of the other sport. If you took your time and watched UFC and the range of skills you need in the Octagon to survive, you would understand that a boxers chance with just the boxing discipline would not last very long at all.
The fact that you understood my post to say "Boxers would do better in a cage than MMA fighters would do in a ring" befuddles me...did you even read my post before quoting it?Quote:
Originally Posted by LeightonI agree that a top MMA fighter would not have much of a chance against a top boxer. But a top boxer would not have much of a chance against a top MMA fighter. There are simply too many dangers for a boxer to avoid. If they get into a clinch, the fight would be over. I have not seen many boxing fights that end before a single clinch. Put your head down, turn your back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
Same with a UFC fighter in boxing. He will have no where near as much boxing knowledge. He will be a much sloppier boxer. Less power with bigger gloves. Not the same upper body movement a boxer needs to learn. Less ahnd speed, etc.
Now with time, either pesron from either sport could learn the other discipline and be just as good. It all depends on the person and not the fact they trained in another sport.
I know I will never get equal ground here as im on a boxing forum. But I have seen so many top fighters from other sports come to UFC and get found out. They only improve and stand a chance when they learn the full array of MMA.
The fact that you think a boxer has a better chance of doing well in UFC than the other way round shows ignorance of the other sport. If you took your time and watched UFC and the range of skills you need in the Octagon to survive, you would understand that a boxers chance with just the boxing discipline would not last very long at all.
I said that I acknowledged MMA was a more complete fighting style. Strange how you misinterpreted that.
I've tried both and I found boxing more difficult of the two. In my opinion and experience the sweet science is alot more difficult to master than grappling and take downs.
My apologies. I was reading and qouting as a continuation of a series of posts from other posters that proseed this conversation. When you said..... MMA fighters don't make the switch because they would be destroyed I thought you were siding with the poster who earlier said a boxer would be able to win an MMA fight but an MMA fighter would not be able to win a boxing match.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzThe fact that you understood my post to say "Boxers would do better in a cage than MMA fighters would do in a ring" befuddles me...did you even read my post before quoting it?Quote:
Originally Posted by LeightonI agree that a top MMA fighter would not have much of a chance against a top boxer. But a top boxer would not have much of a chance against a top MMA fighter. There are simply too many dangers for a boxer to avoid. If they get into a clinch, the fight would be over. I have not seen many boxing fights that end before a single clinch. Put your head down, turn your back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
Same with a UFC fighter in boxing. He will have no where near as much boxing knowledge. He will be a much sloppier boxer. Less power with bigger gloves. Not the same upper body movement a boxer needs to learn. Less ahnd speed, etc.
Now with time, either pesron from either sport could learn the other discipline and be just as good. It all depends on the person and not the fact they trained in another sport.
I know I will never get equal ground here as im on a boxing forum. But I have seen so many top fighters from other sports come to UFC and get found out. They only improve and stand a chance when they learn the full array of MMA.
The fact that you think a boxer has a better chance of doing well in UFC than the other way round shows ignorance of the other sport. If you took your time and watched UFC and the range of skills you need in the Octagon to survive, you would understand that a boxers chance with just the boxing discipline would not last very long at all.
I said that I acknowledged MMA was a more complete fighting style. Strange how you misinterpreted that.
I am simply saying that whoever switch from one sport to the other would not stand much of a chance untill they learnt the full game of the other sport.
At the end of the day I think it is down to the fighter and not his origonal preference in sport.
You say an elite fighter could not be found in MMA. I would say that people like Anderson Silva and now Jhon Bones Jones are there or close to being there. They have mixed the knowledge of all fighting styles to counter any other single style that can be used in MMA.
I would say that boxers have over all mastered the skill of boxing more than MMA fighters have mastered the skill of MMA because MMA is a relitivly new sport compared to boxing. Not to mention the money pumped into boxing which always improves the quality of opponents in a sport.
That probably means you are more naturaly gifted at MMA than you are at boxing. Also the level of opposition you fought in either sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de Piedra
Its nice to find someone who has done both sports. How did you find the ground game in MMA. Did it come easy to you or did you find people would be able to manouver there way around to always get the advantage. And when you go back into boxing do you find it hard not to try and throw a knee every time you get a fighter that puts his head down to avoid punches.
Go back 10 years ago and there may be some substance to this but now, I have to say "WTF"Quote:
Originally Posted by PUGWARRIOR
UFC is nothing more than glorified strikers. Chuck Ruled the LHW being nothing more than a tough SOB who could foil a take down.
There has never a UFC fighter who could match a boxer. The most stupid question I have seen!
Yes money is better in boxing, but pick one UFC fighter who could accomplish something in boxing?
A lot of them are champions of a particular type of martail art. You get champion wrestlers. Judo specailists. Champions of Muay Thai which is a popular sport on its own. Kickboxing champions.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
So many of the people who are the best in other particular sports move to MMA.
You prbably dont get a lot of top quality boxers move over to MMA because they earn much more money from boxing.
I suppose the reason why they move to UFC is because the sport they are in just does not pay enough or give as much fame as UFC.
I can understand a top UFC fighter or a boxer not wanting to switch sport. They have learnt a particular set of skills and a particular set of rules that the change would be difficult and would put them to begin with when they enter the sport at a dissadvantage.
There boxing knowledge obviosly wont be as good as a boxers as they have plenty of other training to do. Training that you can not avoid doing if you want to be competitive in a UFC fight.
Pick a boxer who could accomplish something in the UFC.Quote:
Originally Posted by PremeGo back 10 years ago and there may be some substance to this but now, I have to say "WTF"Quote:
Originally Posted by PUGWARRIOR
UFC is nothing more than glorified strikers. Chuck Ruled the LHW being nothing more than a tough SOB who could foil a take down.
There has never a UFC fighter who could match a boxer. The most stupid question I have seen!
Yes money is better in boxing, but pick one UFC fighter who could accomplish something in boxing?
Your post makes no sense whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abelardus
If there are more options and ways to win in the UFC than in boxing, then surely there has to be more ways to lose as well.
If you are the best boxer in the world, then it's true people will find it hard to touch you in boxing, a la Floyd Mayweather, but if you are best Ju Jitsu, grappler, wrestler, striker etc then there might always be somebody out there who can neutralise what you do, and attack your weaknesses.
That makes the sport harder, not easier.
As you said yourself in MMA there are more skills to master. Increased complexity cannot lead to simplification or easier fights, it's just a logical impossibility.
Wow...the most stupid question you`ve ever seen ???? hahahaha. Id say if anything the striking in MMA is way better now than 10 years ago...of the cage fighters now in mma id say BJ Penn would make the best transition...Freddie Roach has already stated the BJ has the best boxing in MMA and he was being trained by Mayweather sr recently who was also very impressed with his boxing skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by PremeGo back 10 years ago and there may be some substance to this but now, I have to say "WTF"Quote:
Originally Posted by PUGWARRIOR
UFC is nothing more than glorified strikers. Chuck Ruled the LHW being nothing more than a tough SOB who could foil a take down.
There has never a UFC fighter who could match a boxer. The most stupid question I have seen!
Yes money is better in boxing, but pick one UFC fighter who could accomplish something in boxing?
Vitali Klitschko.....next questionQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonPick a boxer who could accomplish something in the UFC.Quote:
Originally Posted by PremeGo back 10 years ago and there may be some substance to this but now, I have to say "WTF"Quote:
Originally Posted by PUGWARRIOR
UFC is nothing more than glorified strikers. Chuck Ruled the LHW being nothing more than a tough SOB who could foil a take down.
There has never a UFC fighter who could match a boxer. The most stupid question I have seen!
Yes money is better in boxing, but pick one UFC fighter who could accomplish something in boxing?
Apples and oranges. You might well ask why billiards players don't take up pro golf. I mean both sports end with a ball going in a hole so must be pretty much the same thing. While yes both are combat sports, they are both tremendously different. Many of the comments on this thread stem from entertainment value which is subjective. Boxing is a single discipline sport and is more technical in nature. MMA is a more comprehensive combat sport and requires its participants to at least be competent in many facets. Which is better? Once again depends on what you like to watch and or train in. I can think of some MMA fighters that had they spent their lives training as boxers might be championship caliber boxers and vice versa but they didn't. They chose their sport and are succesful in it. I doubt Anderson Silva cries himself to sleep at night wishing he had been a pro-boxer. The end state is two completely different sports even when just looking at the striking component alone. Boxing fans always denigrate MMA striking b/c they are looking at it through a boxing lense. It just isn't the same thing, hence why it looks very different.
That might be it, the opposition in boxing was just amateur fighters and in MMA it was beginners to semi pro. I did boxing before MMA so when I started sparring in MMA I found it quite easy to keep guys away with straight punches and front kicks because their stand up was weak. It was easy to block and avoid kicks. For ground game I practiced BJJ which wasn't too bad but against experienced fighters I got maneuvered around but complimented on my strength. The thing is when I was sparring in the MMA gym I would box to keep guy away but when I went boxing I got frustrated and wanted to take guys down. My body shape is more suited to MMA than boxing with my short arms n stocky build.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeightonThat probably means you are more naturaly gifted at MMA than you are at boxing. Also the level of opposition you fought in either sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de Piedra
Its nice to find someone who has done both sports. How did you find the ground game in MMA. Did it come easy to you or did you find people would be able to manouver there way around to always get the advantage. And when you go back into boxing do you find it hard not to try and throw a knee every time you get a fighter that puts his head down to avoid punches.
If I remember Pela Read ko Vitali in a kickbxing match if I am correct.!Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongVitali Klitschko.....next questionQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonPick a boxer who could accomplish something in the UFC.Quote:
Originally Posted by PremeGo back 10 years ago and there may be some substance to this but now, I have to say "WTF"Quote:
Originally Posted by PUGWARRIOR
UFC is nothing more than glorified strikers. Chuck Ruled the LHW being nothing more than a tough SOB who could foil a take down.
There has never a UFC fighter who could match a boxer. The most stupid question I have seen!
Yes money is better in boxing, but pick one UFC fighter who could accomplish something in boxing?
Vitali klitschko.lol that clumsy frankenstein would get taken down quick and get ground and pounded easily or he gets humped out. Vitali cant do shit in mma.
Vitali is not a good canditate..
Brock gets close. Vitali pushes his head down. Brock grabs his legs and finishes him. The end.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongVitali Klitschko.....next questionQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonPick a boxer who could accomplish something in the UFC.Quote:
Originally Posted by PremeGo back 10 years ago and there may be some substance to this but now, I have to say "WTF"Quote:
Originally Posted by PUGWARRIOR
UFC is nothing more than glorified strikers. Chuck Ruled the LHW being nothing more than a tough SOB who could foil a take down.
There has never a UFC fighter who could match a boxer. The most stupid question I have seen!
Yes money is better in boxing, but pick one UFC fighter who could accomplish something in boxing?
Its good you gave both a go. My mate is a kick boxer. He does reasonable well. He saw the UFC and thought he would give MMA a go. He found the ground game incredibly irritating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de PiedraThat might be it, the opposition in boxing was just amateur fighters and in MMA it was beginners to semi pro. I did boxing before MMA so when I started sparring in MMA I found it quite easy to keep guys away with straight punches and front kicks because their stand up was weak. It was easy to block and avoid kicks. For ground game I practiced BJJ which wasn't too bad but against experienced fighters I got maneuvered around but complimented on my strength. The thing is when I was sparring in the MMA gym I would box to keep guy away but when I went boxing I got frustrated and wanted to take guys down. My body shape is more suited to MMA than boxing with my short arms n stocky build.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeightonThat probably means you are more naturaly gifted at MMA than you are at boxing. Also the level of opposition you fought in either sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de Piedra
Its nice to find someone who has done both sports. How did you find the ground game in MMA. Did it come easy to you or did you find people would be able to manouver there way around to always get the advantage. And when you go back into boxing do you find it hard not to try and throw a knee every time you get a fighter that puts his head down to avoid punches.
Its not very easy to get off your back and turn it to your advantage. But being strong is helpful in your case. But sometimes with strength comes stamina problems. With the acception of the freak Brock Lesner.
I can understand why people hate the ground game. It gets on my nerves when you get a fighter that just holds the guy down the whole fight and does not go for a submission or a finish. Would like to see a thirty second stand up if nothing happens. But I suppose they cant do that as they would take the advantage away from one guy.
Leighton - as the main defender of mma on this thread, I wonder if you can help me understand something. How is ground game entertaining?
Clearly, I'm a boxing fan yet I'll completely admit there have been times where I have watched entertaining mma fights, but what keeps from enjoying most mma fights is that I'm not entertained by wrestling or ground game. That's not to say I don't appreciate that a lot of skill goes into ground game because I do. It's just whenever mma combatants start wrestling/ground game, I lose interest. The ground game isn't just on the ground either because it appears frequently one guy wants to take the other guy down (pause) and the whole fight is about one guy foiling the other guy's take down, which also in my opinion makes for a boring fight. So, for me, the most entertaining mma fights I've watched by far consist mostly of striking and kickboxing.
As to kickboxing, you mentioned K1 and I've watched some K1 and I can 100% see the entertainment value (Badr Hari is a bad, bad man). However, there isn't any wrestling in K1 so it makes sense why it would be entertaining to me.