Is Bradley Overrated?

Desert Storm or fart in a sandpit ? Should he be number 1 at light welterweight ? This is the guy who refused to fight Khan saying "What if I lose then I am out the sweep-stake to fight pound for pound king Manny Pacquiao for 7.5 million dollars ?" on U.S radio. The same guy stripped of his WBC titlefor inactivity. The fighter who took 8 rounds to stop an ageing stoned Casamayor, had to resort to headbutting to beat a limited fighter in Devon Alexander and has avoided Marcus Maidana. Number 1 light welterweight and now he gets rewarded with a fight against Pacquiao. So come on enlighten me, what makes him worthy and special enough for such accolades? To me he seems limited, his defence is poor and a decent hard hitting fighter with good hand speed will expose this soon enough. He is in great condition but then so was Frank Bruno and a cut physique a great boxer does not make.

i think bradley is rated as he should be, i think he would give anyone around today on their day a run for their money

and he definately does deserve to be number one at light welter, who else would it be?

p.s. bruno is the best HW in history

Isn't everybody overrated in somebodies eyes? Now that Berto has pulled out due to injury why not make Bradley vs Ortiz.

I've never been impressed by Bradley I think he is very limited and overrated. He is just a come forward throw a lot of punches type of guy. I dont see anything special in him.

no one is painting Bradley to be an ATG, but he is just what he's advertised as a very good overall fighter who although he doesn't do anything extraordinary he does do everything well, he's hands down the #1 guy at 140 with wins over Witter, Holt, PETERSON, and Alexander it's pretty hard to dispute that, those wins shit all over Khan's wins over Kotelnik, Malignaggi, Maidana, and Judah, and his loss to PETERSON

I think he's fairly rated, he did fight some of the bests and got the win in the end. I don't know if he's top notch H.O.F material but he's definitely a very good boxer, no matter that we like or hate his style.

We'll find out after he fights Pacqiuao.

No, not really. He didn't "duck" Khan at all, actually it was Khan who failed when he lost to a guy Bradley beat two years prior. Khan got sucked into a gritty back and forth and let himself down. Bradleys done nothing but win and position himself to possibly fight an elite in Manny. Meanwhile Khan can dust off the shadow of Mosley and cash a huge check, and hope he doesn't get suckered into another slug fest.

Bradley isnt over rated. He has been beating world class fighters for years now and is still unbeaten. He deserves his big break and he will be teh best fighter Pac has fought in years.

Tims earnt his chance and he will take it with both hands. He finds a way to win and has the experience to take big shots and come back from the brink. I think he is better qualifed than anyone other than Floyd and Martinez of beating Pac.

Bradley isn't overrated because (1) he's undefeated against quality opposition; (2) he has key wins over Alexander (unification fight which is always commendable) & Peterson, and (3) good wins over Witter (in England), Cherry, and Abregu (of significance this fight was at welterweight). In sum, he is ranked p4p because he has gone up in weight to defeat an undefeated fighter in Abregu and he is the top guy in what used to be a deep division (prior to Alexander, Maidana, and it appears, Khan, exiting).

It's not Bradley's fault Khan lost to Peterson. Khan was supposed to win that fight and then fight Bradley. If Bradley avoided Khan at that point after Bradley's promotional situation had cleared up, which was his previous excuse, it would be an out-right duck. In a way, however, it's still bad precedent to reward Bradley for avoiding a fight with Khan with a bigger fight against Pacquiao. Not that it makes it right, but I guess Bradley's people thought it was too much of a risk because after seeing Khan struggle with Peterson, whom Bradley outclassed, I favor the Desert Storm in a fight with Khan.

Bradley versus Pacquiao should be a good fight. I'll go as far as to say that I can see potential for Bradley pulling off an upset win here. So, I guess, after thinking about it, maybe I am one of his fans that believes he is underrated, not overrated.

I understand your skepticism because Bradley doesn't have a lot of power and his chin is somewhat suspect (I don't agree, but I get it). The general consensus is that he does a lot of things "good," but not much "great." I disagree. He's always been one of my favorite fighters (with Sergio Martinez, Lucian Bute, and Nonito Donaire). I believe he is one of the elite fighters in the game and that he just doesn't have flash that attracts crowds is the reason he is not more of a mainstream star (part of that is his lack of pop).

Before you completely dismiss him as overrated, take a look at his footwork, his defense (underrated), his stamina, and his in-fighting. He has great body positioning; he doesn't get hit cleanly very often; he fights for a full twelve rounds; and, he is a great fighter on the inside.

Check out his ring generalship and his footwork in the first round with Peterson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH4m_...E546CC46B46C83

Here is his assessment of how he would beat Manny Pacquiao and it might be spot on at least for Bradley's style of boxing. He says you have to "isolate him with your feet and good defense."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pDh12g1A4k

Bradley is a very under rated and under appreciated boxer who has done a lot to get the number 1 position in the division. However mainly due to contractual issues he has been inactive and Khan had bragging rights to claim he was the best. Bradley is now obsessed with getting a money fight with Pacquiau, as is Peterson, which makes them look like desperate opportunists aiming to maximise their purse at the cost of their legacy.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Bradley isn't overrated because (1) he's undefeated against quality opposition; (2) he has key wins over Alexander (unification fight which is always commendable) & Peterson, and (3) good wins over Witter (in England), Cherry, and Abregu (of significance this fight was at welterweight). In sum, he is ranked p4p because he has gone up in weight to defeat an undefeated fighter in Abregu and he is the top guy in what used to be a deep division (prior to Alexander, Maidana, and it appears, Khan, exiting).

It's not Bradley's fault Khan lost to Peterson. Khan was supposed to win that fight and then fight Bradley. If Bradley avoided Khan at that point after Bradley's promotional situation had cleared up, which was his previous excuse, it would be an out-right duck. In a way, however, it's still bad precedent to reward Bradley for avoiding a fight with Khan with a bigger fight against Pacquiao. Not that it makes it right, but I guess Bradley's people thought it was too much of a risk because after seeing Khan struggle with Peterson, whom Bradley outclassed, I favor the Desert Storm in a fight with Khan.

Bradley versus Pacquiao should be a good fight. I'll go as far as to say that I can see potential for Bradley pulling off an upset win here. So, I guess, after thinking about it, maybe I am one of his fans that believes he is underrated, not overrated.

I understand your skepticism because Bradley doesn't have a lot of power and his chin is somewhat suspect (I don't agree, but I get it). The general consensus is that he does a lot of things "good," but not much "great." I disagree. He's always been one of my favorite fighters (with Sergio Martinez, Lucian Bute, and Nonito Donaire). I believe he is one of the elite fighters in the game and that he just doesn't have flash that attracts crowds is the reason he is not more of a mainstream star (part of that is his lack of pop).

Before you completely dismiss him as overrated, take a look at his footwork, his defense (underrated), his stamina, and his in-fighting. He has great body positioning; he doesn't get hit cleanly very often; he fights for a full twelve rounds; and, he is a great fighter on the inside.

Check out his ring generalship and his footwork in the first round with Peterson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH4m_vD4jis&feature=results_main&playnext= 1&list=PL52E546CC46B46C83

Here is his assessment of how he would beat Manny Pacquiao and it might be spot on at least for Bradley's style of boxing. He says you have to "isolate him with your feet and good defense."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pDh12g1A4k

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In that first round against Peterson he leans in and is off balance when he throws the overhand right, making himself vunerable to the exact same uppercut that he saw Khan being caught with against Madiana. I don't think his footwork is that great to be honest and we have already seen that anticipating Pacquiao and deploying a barrage of crisp quality counter punching is what neutralizes him. An asset that Bradley is not renowned for. It is not his chin that I think is suspect it is his heart and his vulnerability to speed. Khan not being undefeated is not the deciding factor that renders him inferior to Bradley, in fact Bradley has not had to get through a round even half as hellacious as the one Amir survived against Maidiana. It counts for something and I am not impressed by wins against Witter, Cherry and Abregu they are no better than Kotelnik, Judah, Maidiana, Malinaggi, even Prescott bangs harder than any of Bradleys opposition. You know Bradley outclassing Peterson a fighter Khan struggled with does not make him better than Khan, we will not find that out until they meet. If they do, I see Khan, like Pacquiao, proving to fast and relentless for the desert storm.

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Bradley isn't overrated because (1) he's undefeated against quality opposition; (2) he has key wins over Alexander (unification fight which is always commendable) & Peterson, and (3) good wins over Witter (in England), Cherry, and Abregu (of significance this fight was at welterweight). In sum, he is ranked p4p because he has gone up in weight to defeat an undefeated fighter in Abregu and he is the top guy in what used to be a deep division (prior to Alexander, Maidana, and it appears, Khan, exiting).

It's not Bradley's fault Khan lost to Peterson. Khan was supposed to win that fight and then fight Bradley. If Bradley avoided Khan at that point after Bradley's promotional situation had cleared up, which was his previous excuse, it would be an out-right duck. In a way, however, it's still bad precedent to reward Bradley for avoiding a fight with Khan with a bigger fight against Pacquiao. Not that it makes it right, but I guess Bradley's people thought it was too much of a risk because after seeing Khan struggle with Peterson, whom Bradley outclassed, I favor the Desert Storm in a fight with Khan.

Bradley versus Pacquiao should be a good fight. I'll go as far as to say that I can see potential for Bradley pulling off an upset win here. So, I guess, after thinking about it, maybe I am one of his fans that believes he is underrated, not overrated.

I understand your skepticism because Bradley doesn't have a lot of power and his chin is somewhat suspect (I don't agree, but I get it). The general consensus is that he does a lot of things "good," but not much "great." I disagree. He's always been one of my favorite fighters (with Sergio Martinez, Lucian Bute, and Nonito Donaire). I believe he is one of the elite fighters in the game and that he just doesn't have flash that attracts crowds is the reason he is not more of a mainstream star (part of that is his lack of pop).

Before you completely dismiss him as overrated, take a look at his footwork, his defense (underrated), his stamina, and his in-fighting. He has great body positioning; he doesn't get hit cleanly very often; he fights for a full twelve rounds; and, he is a great fighter on the inside.

Check out his ring generalship and his footwork in the first round with Peterson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH4m_vD4jis&feature=results_main&playnext= 1&list=PL52E546CC46B46C83

Here is his assessment of how he would beat Manny Pacquiao and it might be spot on at least for Bradley's style of boxing. He says you have to "isolate him with your feet and good defense."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pDh12g1A4k

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In that first round against Peterson he leans in and is off balance when he throws the overhand right, making himself vunerable to the exact same uppercut that he saw Khan being caught with against Madiana. I don't think his footwork is that great to be honest and we have already seen that anticipating Pacquiao and deploying a barrage of crisp quality counter punching is what neutralizes him. An asset that Bradley is not renowned for. It is not his chin that I think is suspect it is his heart and his vulnerability to speed. Khan not being undefeated is not the deciding factor that renders him inferior to Bradley, in fact Bradley has not had to get through a round even half as hellacious as the one Amir survived against Maidiana. It counts for something and I am not impressed by wins against Witter, Cherry and Abregu they are no better than Kotelnik, Judah, Maidiana, Malinaggi, even Prescott bangs harder than any of Bradleys opposition. You know Bradley outclassing Peterson a fighter Khan struggled with does not make him better than Khan, we will not find that out until they meet. If they do, I see Khan, like Pacquiao, proving to fast and relentless for the desert storm.

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Why do you have have an issue with Bradley's heart? What makes you think he has vulnerability to speed? Alexander is plenty fast and Bradley neutralized him.

I agree that outclassing Peterson does not mean Bradley will beat Khan but the difference with the two performances I thought was that Bradley controlled the tempo for the most part throughout the fight with Peterson whereas Peterson controlled the tempo throughout the fight with Khan. Also important was that Khan showed he couldn't adjust to Peterson. He didn't have an answer to Peterson's ambushes and he didn't know what to do when Peterson got him on the inside. Bradley is better than Peterson at both of those skills. Bradley's also faster than Peterson. Thus, Khan also has weaknesses that play to Bradley's strengths.

Don't get me wrong: Khan is a formidable challenge for any light welterweight including Bradley. I just don't believe that Bradley is overrated.

For a minute I was convinced Bradley was shot in the face when he was dropped off that hook from Holt. If that's not heart making him rise I don't know what heart is.

He has some of the hardest grit and determination of any fighter in the ring today. The man exudes fight. He's earned his due.

@ Master...crazy notion here, but maybe he actually believes he can win ;)

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

no one is painting Bradley to be an ATG, but he is just what he's advertised as a very good overall fighter who although he doesn't do anything extraordinary he does do everything well, he's hands down the #1 guy at 140 with wins over Witter, Holt, PETERSON, and Alexander it's pretty hard to dispute that, those wins shit all over Khan's wins over Kotelnik, Malignaggi, Maidana, and Judah, and his loss to PETERSON

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Witter and alexander are not good examples. Witter lost to Alexander who pretty much lost to Kotelnik who khan beat. Holt lost to Mabuza who is nothing special.
The only one you can hold over his head is Peterson. But that was such a close fight with Peterson winning with DQ points, you can not call that an easy victory.
Saying that I would still class Bradley at the top of the devision as he is undefeated and has won the majority of his fights easily. I think people only question his legitimacy because he avoided Khan.
Think he is the best fight after Mayweather. Him or Martinez anyway.

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Originally Posted by marukoy

Isn't everybody overrated in somebodies eyes? Now that Berto has pulled out due to injury why not make Bradley vs Ortiz.

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Cause Ortiz would murder him :)

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

no one is painting Bradley to be an ATG, but he is just what he's advertised as a very good overall fighter who although he doesn't do anything extraordinary he does do everything well, he's hands down the #1 guy at 140 with wins over Witter, Holt, PETERSON, and Alexander it's pretty hard to dispute that, those wins shit all over Khan's wins over Kotelnik, Malignaggi, Maidana, and Judah, and his loss to PETERSON

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Witter and alexander are not good examples. Witter lost to Alexander who pretty much lost to Kotelnik who khan beat. Holt lost to Mabuza who is nothing special.
The only one you can hold over his head is Peterson. But that was such a close fight with Peterson winning with DQ points, you can not call that an easy victory.
Saying that I would still class Bradley at the top of the devision as he is undefeated and has won the majority of his fights easily. I think people only question his legitimacy because he avoided Khan.
Think he is the best fight after Mayweather. Him or Martinez anyway.

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you're thinking of the wrong Peterson, Anthony Peterson was the one who was winning the fight and then got himself DQ'd against Rios, Lamont Peterson got his ass handed to him for nearly every round against Bradley, it was a shutout, and if you wanna play the game of disregarding Bradley's wins over Holt and Alexander well, Bradley pretty much dominated his opponents while Khan escaped by the skin of his teeth against Maidana and Peterson, beat Judah who just had been given a gift against Mattyhsse, and against Malignaggi who's biggest win was a rematch against a lightweight, overall Bradley's opponents hold more weight than Khan's

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Originally Posted by Nameless

I think he's fairly rated, he did fight some of the bests and got the win in the end. I don't know if he's top notch H.O.F material but he's definitely a very good boxer, no matter that we like or hate his style.

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I think his recent lack of activity is what is playing against him. He is slacking out when he should be stepping it up.

I've always been a Bradley fan, but I'm a little let down by his recent antics.

You would have to be considering bradley as p4p top 5 before you could consider him as overrated. The only flaws i see in him is a) when he gets overly aggressive, he seems to some times door from the hip and b) he definitely doesn't like it to the gut... Was showing clear distress signs against peterson imo.

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Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus

You would have to be considering bradley as p4p top 5 before you could consider him as overrated. The only flaws i see in him is a) when he gets overly aggressive, he seems to some times door from the hip and b) he definitely doesn't like it to the gut... Was showing clear distress signs against peterson imo.

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Hardly what Peterson was doing to Khan though and a straightforward win for Bradley. Perhaps Peterson is a tad underrated considering his khan and Ortiz fights.

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

no one is painting Bradley to be an ATG, but he is just what he's advertised as a very good overall fighter who although he doesn't do anything extraordinary he does do everything well, he's hands down the #1 guy at 140 with wins over Witter, Holt, PETERSON, and Alexander it's pretty hard to dispute that, those wins shit all over Khan's wins over Kotelnik, Malignaggi, Maidana, and Judah, and his loss to PETERSON

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Witter and alexander are not good examples. Witter lost to Alexander who pretty much lost to Kotelnik who khan beat. Holt lost to Mabuza who is nothing special.
The only one you can hold over his head is Peterson. But that was such a close fight with Peterson winning with DQ points, you can not call that an easy victory.
Saying that I would still class Bradley at the top of the devision as he is undefeated and has won the majority of his fights easily. I think people only question his legitimacy because he avoided Khan.
Think he is the best fight after Mayweather. Him or Martinez anyway.

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you're thinking of the wrong Peterson, Anthony Peterson was the one who was winning the fight and then got himself DQ'd against Rios, Lamont Peterson got his ass handed to him for nearly every round against Bradley, it was a shutout, and if you wanna play the game of disregarding Bradley's wins over Holt and Alexander well, Bradley pretty much dominated his opponents while Khan escaped by the skin of his teeth against Maidana and Peterson, beat Judah who just had been given a gift against Mattyhsse, and against Malignaggi who's biggest win was a rematch against a lightweight, overall Bradley's opponents hold more weight than Khan's

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I dont know why I put DQ in there. I was refering to the khan fight where the ref took two points off khan. My mistake.
Alexander was also given a gift against Mattyhsse. There is not a lot of difference in there opponents.
You were the one dissregarding Khans opponents, whrere as if you look at the people they fought there is not alot of difference. The people they have fought have all had there losses to one another, so you cant claim that Bradley has fought harder opponents. As far as Bradley beating Peterson easier and having easier wins over all. I stated that in my first post and that is why I said I would still put Bradley at the top.
Just that other people may have had Khan above him because Bradley avoided him.
Being a Bradley fan as well as a Khan fan I was dissapointed when Bradley did not have a better excuse for not fighting Khan, would have been a good fight. Seems he was not confident about fighting him as he could lose his chance to fight Pac or Mayweather.