Huck vs Povetkin scoring question
If someone has Povetkin winning, I won't argue.
I scored the fight 115-113 for Huck. There was 5 rounds I gave him (that I hadn't marked as close on my scorecard). There was 4 close rounds in the fight. I gave Huck 2 of those rounds and Povetkin 2 of those rounds.
My question is how does anyone come up with 116-112 for Povetkin. Even if I gave Povetkin all 4 of the close rounds my scorecard would be 115-113 Povetkin.
I just don't see how Huck didn't win 5 rounds at the absolute least.
Did anyone have it 116-112 povetkin (or know of anyone with that score?)? I just don't think any scorecard giving Povetkin 116 pts is reasonable.
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I didn't keep a card, but I thought that Huck won the fight. Maybe 7-5 or 8-4, with close rounds that I thought went his way. Could be that, at ringside, it looked different.
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true, a fight can look different at ringside. That is why I don't complain about the score of a fight if I were to take close rounds and flip them and it made the same score as the judges. But I can't possibly justify giving Povetkin 8 rounds. You could have Povetkin up 3-1 after 4 rounds and there is no way for Povetkin to win 5 out of the final 8 rounds. NO way. He lost at least 4 of those rounds clearly.
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It continually strikes me as odd when the judges scoring a fight score it differently than 80-90% of those watching anywhere (at home or boxing writers sitting there). That always makes me scratch my head.
I especially scratch my head when the judges have it wide, and wider than anyone else anywhere has it scored.
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I had Povetkin winning a close decision, something like 115-113, but there's a lot of room there, the reverse, Huck winning 115-113 wouldn't have shocked me.
I'd agree that Povetkin winning by a score of 116-112 is ridiculous.
cheers dude
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It continually strikes me as odd when the judges scoring a fight score it differently than 80-90% of those watching anywhere (at home or boxing writers sitting there). That always makes me scratch my head.
I especially scratch my head when the judges have it wide, and wider than anyone else anywhere has it scored.
Yeah it wasn't a robbery per se, but it was def the wrong decision. Huck hurt Povetkin a good 4 different times, and at least one of those times probably should have gotten a knockdown out of it due to Povetkin being held up by the ropes and/or diving at Huck's waist to grasp on for dear life.
I had it 8-4 Huck, but 7-5 Huck is probably more popular. 6-6 is questionable, giving it to Povetkin is very questionable in my opinion.
Povetkin was all heart, but clearly fatigued and on queer street for much of the fight.
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You lot are giving Huck an awful lot of credit for sloppy sporadic roughhousing tactics. Povetkin deserved to nick it imo. Shit load of close rounds though, literally half the fight was pick em rounds. And as such you always get controversy with scores in fights like these cos you can actually have it 8-4 either way if you like the work of one over the other in the close rounds.
Did I just read Mars_ax give the fight to Povetkin 115-113 and in the same breath saying the 116-112 score was ridiculous? Thats 1 round scored different dude.
Anyone saying this is a robbery is talking out of their arse and thats a fact.
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You lot are giving Huck an awful lot of credit for sloppy sporadic roughhousing tactics. Povetkin deserved to nick it imo. Shit load of close rounds though, literally half the fight was pick em rounds. And as such you always get controversy with scores in fights like these cos you can actually have it 8-4 either way if you like the work of one over the other in the close rounds.
Did I just read Mars_ax give the fight to Povetkin 115-113 and in the same breath saying the 116-112 score was ridiculous? Thats 1 round scored different dude.
Anyone saying this is a robbery is talking out of their arse and thats a fact.
did anyone call it a robbery? I was going after the bullshit cards giving Povetkin 8 rounds.
116-112 is ridiculous. There was at least 5 rounds that Huck won. Mar's scorecard illustrated my point, there wasn't 8 rounds Povetkin won. That is why 116-112 is bullshit. 116-112 isn't giving Povetkin close rounds, it is taking away rounds Huck won.
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I had it 7-4-1 for 116-113 Povetkin. I dont even like Povetkin, I prefer Huck to him. The commentator on boxnation also had it the same score as me. 116-112 is very achievable. I only counted 2 rounds that I thought Huck definitively won. 4 for Povetkin. Then 6 close ones.
I think you just must be a fan of Hucks style Captain and theres nothing wrong with that.
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I had it 7-4-1 for 116-113 Povetkin. I dont even like Povetkin, I prefer Huck to him. The commentator on boxnation also had it the same score as me. 116-112 is very achievable. I only counted 2 rounds that I thought Huck definitively won. 4 for Povetkin. Then 6 close ones.
I think you just must be a fan of Hucks style Captain and theres nothing wrong with that.
I am not a Huck fan or his style.
You are the first person I can find on twitter, and 3 boxing boards who thought that there was 6 close rounds and that Huck didn't win 5 rounds at the least.
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The commentator dude and 2 of the 3 judges side with me though, so I think I have some kind of argument.
The crowd cheered an awful lot whenever Huck did anything, that often comes into play in peoples scoring. Bottom line, theres no way Huck gets a raw deal in Germany on the cards.
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punches to the back of the head aren't scoring punches... so there were alot of rounds where many of huck's punches landed but didn't contribute to his score. mix in the fact that povetkin's punches were often clean crisp and in combos of 3, 4 and 5... it makes it a closer fight for povetkin.
i think people have got a little over excited cause huck did better than people expected.
keep in mind regardless of whether he was bending down or huck was holding his head down those rabbit punches are illegal and don't score. but they do take alot out of you over the course of a fight. which helps to explain why povetkin was looking so challenged. had the illegal punches and head holding been stopped early in the fight or if huck had been penalized, then we'd have seen a different fight.
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EPIX is replaying this right now. Suprised how solid Huck looks for only 209 lbs.
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i enjoyed the fight and thought huck deserved it
one thing that i thought should have happened is the ref warning provetkin a lot more for dipping his head below the waist
he should have been told to keep his head up and if he persisted like he did, lose a point
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I don't claim to be a boxing judge, but I had the fight a draw at 6-6. There were a number of close rounds. I don't have a problem with the fight going to Povetkin and I wouldn't have had a problem with the fight going to Huck.
In the first few rounds, Povetkin showed that he is a better boxer than Huck. It looked like he ran out of gas pretty fast, which may have had something to do with Huck. Huck has a right hand and that's it. No head movement, no combination punching, very little body work etc. If Povetkin could have figured out how to avoid that right hand, it would have been an easy night for him.
The cards weren't as bad as the Cloud-Campillo cards or the card of the one judge that gave the Donaire-Vasquez fight to Vasquez.
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Povetkin is a waste, he'll never get a big fight now. He's had trouble with 2 of the smallest heavyweights out there, what happens when he fights a full sized one?
I would take Seth Mitchell over Povetkin right now. Also Adamek would more than likely stop Povetkin as well.
no chance
adamek couldnt even come anywhere near to stopping kevin mcbride
massively overrated
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El Kabong
Povetkin is a waste, he'll never get a big fight now. He's had trouble with 2 of the smallest heavyweights out there, what happens when he fights a full sized one?
I would take Seth Mitchell over Povetkin right now. Also Adamek would more than likely stop Povetkin as well.
no chance
adamek couldnt even come anywhere near to stopping kevin mcbride
massively overrated
I don't know about massively overrated. Power is overrated. Adamek moves well for a heavyweight so he has the ability to beat plodders. Povetkin and Huck don't move well at all. Plus their head movement is non-existant. Adamek could win a decision on the cards against either one--the same as he did against a fat Arreola. I was a little dismayed that Adamek decided to fight a journeman in Aguilera for his comeback fight, but he is coming off a bad loss against Vitali. It would be good to see him in against Povetkin, Huck, Pulev, Boystov etc. I hope he doesn't resign to only facing journeymen, if not the Klitschkos. He needs to face a tough challenge to earn another fight against the Klitschko's.
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El Kabong
Povetkin is a waste, he'll never get a big fight now. He's had trouble with 2 of the smallest heavyweights out there, what happens when he fights a full sized one?
I would take Seth Mitchell over Povetkin right now. Also Adamek would more than likely stop Povetkin as well.
no chance
adamek couldnt even come anywhere near to stopping kevin mcbride
massively overrated
I don't know about massively overrated. Power is overrated. Adamek moves well for a heavyweight so he has the ability to beat plodders. Povetkin and Huck don't move well at all. Plus their head movement is non-existant. Adamek could win a decision on the cards against either one--the same as he did against a fat Arreola. I was a little dismayed that Adamek decided to fight a journeman in Aguilera for his comeback fight, but he is coming off a bad loss against Vitali. It would be good to see him in against Povetkin, Huck, Pulev, Boystov etc. I hope he doesn't resign to only facing journeymen, if not the Klitschkos. He needs to face a tough challenge to earn another fight against the Klitschko's.
adamek beat arreola yes in a very close fight, where an injury decided it
there is no way adamek would KO provetkin, and provetkin has good skills and can be quite fast, i would firmly put my money on him in a fight between the two
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erics44
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El Kabong
Povetkin is a waste, he'll never get a big fight now. He's had trouble with 2 of the smallest heavyweights out there, what happens when he fights a full sized one?
I would take Seth Mitchell over Povetkin right now. Also Adamek would more than likely stop Povetkin as well.
no chance
adamek couldnt even come anywhere near to stopping kevin mcbride
massively overrated
I don't know about massively overrated. Power is overrated. Adamek moves well for a heavyweight so he has the ability to beat plodders. Povetkin and Huck don't move well at all. Plus their head movement is non-existant. Adamek could win a decision on the cards against either one--the same as he did against a fat Arreola. I was a little dismayed that Adamek decided to fight a journeman in Aguilera for his comeback fight, but he is coming off a bad loss against Vitali. It would be good to see him in against Povetkin, Huck, Pulev, Boystov etc. I hope he doesn't resign to only facing journeymen, if not the Klitschkos. He needs to face a tough challenge to earn another fight against the Klitschko's.
adamek beat arreola yes in a very close fight, where an injury decided it
there is no way adamek would KO provetkin, and provetkin has good skills and can be quite fast, i would firmly put my money on him in a fight between the two
There is no way Adamek ko's Povetkin, but Adamek could outbox Povetkin and win on volume. Povetkin has a good punch. However, he had trouble with Huck in Huck's first fight as a heavyweight. I was disappointed in his performance against Huck as I expected him to thoroughly win. Povetkin's stamina didn't look good. His movement seemed off. He appeared to be gassed by the mid rounds. He looked much better against Boswell, but that could be because Huck is better than Boswell.
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There is no way Adamek ko's Povetkin, but Adamek could outbox Povetkin and win on volume. Povetkin has a good punch. However, he had trouble with Huck in Huck's first fight as a heavyweight. I was disappointed in his performance against Huck as I expected him to thoroughly win. Povetkin's stamina didn't look good. His movement seemed off. He appeared to be gassed by the mid rounds. He looked much better against Boswell, but that could be because Huck is better than Boswell.
i think he was gassed after about 3 rounds
i dont think that fight was a very good representation of how good provetkin is
he seemed a bit chubby on the night too, i kinow he isnt a ripped fighter but he seemed to come in heavy, i dunno how his weight compares with other fights
honestly i think he just got something wrong, in preparation or in the training or on the night
if the two fought again i think provetkin would do a much better job
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Rantcatrat
There is no way Adamek ko's Povetkin, but Adamek could outbox Povetkin and win on volume. Povetkin has a good punch. However, he had trouble with Huck in Huck's first fight as a heavyweight. I was disappointed in his performance against Huck as I expected him to thoroughly win. Povetkin's stamina didn't look good. His movement seemed off. He appeared to be gassed by the mid rounds. He looked much better against Boswell, but that could be because Huck is better than Boswell.
i think he was gassed after about 3 rounds
i dont think that fight was a very good representation of how good provetkin is
he seemed a bit chubby on the night too, i kinow he isnt a ripped fighter but he seemed to come in heavy, i dunno how his weight compares with other fights
honestly i think he just got something wrong, in preparation or in the training or on the night
if the two fought again i think provetkin would do a much better job
Povetkin is listed as 6 ft 2 on boxrec. Huck is listed as 6 ft 1 1/2. Honestly they looked the same damn height at the weigh in. Povetkin is 6 ft 2 max. He always weighs around 230. He has never been in shape.
Huck weighed 210, Povetkin 229. But the difference in bodyfat was big. I'd guess Povetkin's bodyfat is at least 4-5% higher than Huck. Honestly the difference in lean body mass between the 2 is not much.
Povetkin needs to understand that heavyweights used to be in very good shape. Even George Foreman was weighing 215 early in his career. he was weighing 225 when he fought Frazier and Ali. He is a bigger guy than Povetkin.
it isn't as if extra fat helps you beat Wlad or Vitali. Handspeed, quickness, stamina.
