I haven't been following boxing really for atleast a year, im getting sick of all the bad decision's, fights not happening. And just in general no real exciting fights, hate to put a downer on it but does anyone else feel the same way ?
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I haven't been following boxing really for atleast a year, im getting sick of all the bad decision's, fights not happening. And just in general no real exciting fights, hate to put a downer on it but does anyone else feel the same way ?
Id disagree with the no exciting fights, just a couple weeks ago we had huck ofalabi, kess green just this past weekend was decent, few months back martinez macklin, fights been plenty exciting. The only one that really irks me is the bad decisions and piss me off for a week at a time but what ya going to do when boxing gets all of it right which happens (huck ofalabi) then its awesomeQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I hear what you're saying. A few weeks ago I felt the same. I even started to get back into K-1 (Kickboxing) which I haven't watched in years. I believe posting in the Boxing Talk forum was way down about a month ago. Hardly any new posts. But things are starting to heat back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
no, I love it more and more each day ;D best sport in the world, I will never get tired of anything that happens in the boxing world, It's the thing I love most in life and feel most passionate about. Shit goes down in any sport but it doesnt make me not want to watch it, there have been LOADS of excting fights within the last year, and it has made me want to follow the sport even more. ;D
I'm with you ICB. I'm a big MMA fan as well, and for years I've followed the sports 50/50. Over the last year though, I must admit, it's been more like 90/10 in MMA's favor.
Not trying to turn this into an MMA vs Boxing rant, as I love both sports equally. But right now, the world of MMA is much more exciting than the world of boxing. The best are fighting each other, the big fights are being put together, there are more legit stars to get excited about, ect.
Seems like the past year has been a lot of let downs, big fights not getting made and terrible decisions.
No. Boxings is my favorite whore. Dirty and no good. Doesn't matter. Cuz no matter what I'm gonna make time for it. Till the day I die
damn straight . bad decisions, failed drug tests can be frustrating, but it happens in all sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
bad decisions have always been there, they seem to be highlighted a lot more now, maybe with all this exposure decisions will start to improveQuote:
Originally Posted by arminId disagree with the no exciting fights, just a couple weeks ago we had huck ofalabi, kess green just this past weekend was decent, few months back martinez macklin, fights been plenty exciting. The only one that really irks me is the bad decisions and piss me off for a week at a time but what ya going to do when boxing gets all of it right which happens (huck ofalabi) then its awesomeQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
it will never go tho because there is always opinion, take pac v marquez for example, there was uproar about that decision and it wasnt really that bad, in fact i thought pac deserved it
i think half of it was the expectation that was influenced by history - as in the steam rolling idea that marquez had been robbed twice before
the one thing that is missing for me at the minute is the real explosive fighters like an exciting HW who could blast someone away or a lighter fighter with great power
a lot more fights seem to be won with spoiling tactics
Agree with TamQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Familiarity breeds contempt. No, too far in now and all of it's vices have always been there just not on such the instant and highly visible scale they are now. Like all things sometimes step back and take a break. Think of it like a high maitnance relationship relationship with a beautiful woman. You've seen the 7 am no make up wake up with dragon breath and cussing and sneezing while naked. But when it's plesant and at best you can't get enough. To me following boxing is almost tribal. You have always had to search for it on a whole compared to major sports that are put in your lap redundantly. In no other sport will you see the trials and tribulations of a single individual put on immediate and lasting display with no guarentees. Boxing is the ultimate metaphor for life. The good the bad and the ugly.
I know what you mean , it can be frustrating watching crap decisions
and shit fights, and top guys not fighting other top guys, but when Boxing is great
it is really the only sport in the world for me, when a great fight happens
there is no other sport in the world that compete for excitement and skill .
Other so called fighting sports come and go, there is only ONE noble art that's BOXING.;D
Chelsea won the cup with defensive tactics so all sports can be bad. If I can access boxing I will watch it. Box Nation has helped for me as I could not afford the sky to follow the game I love and no way would I pay for the PPV fights.
If you're a real fan, I imagine it's somewhat like panning for gold. You know you're gonna go through a lot of muck.... but the knowledge (and hope) that every once in awhile you're gonna find a gold nugget is enough to keep you going.
Never.. One who gets tired of boxing is not a true purist.
Have been reading a book by Gilbert Odd that rather fantastically documents the history of Boxing from bare knuckle days - Gem Mace etc. right though to about 1985. A rather apparent theme was just how political Boxing has always been and also how fights were made, financed and promoted.
To be honest, I do agree with what someone already said. BUT, through good or bad, witnessing a fighters rise to the top, through talent, serious hard work and utter dedication, it really is something to behold. A real spectacle. Despite the downs, I have nothing but adoration for the competitors of the sport and will ALWAYS tune in to watch guys that have such desire and will to win regardless of any wrong doing the sport conjures against them.
I'd would, although a few guys could be mentioned, like to mention Delivin Rodriguez. Stuck in there agsinst the odds regardless of promoters pushing another fighter, dug it out for the underdog and rose to the occasion AGAIN. Awesome stuff.
There's been some great fights already this year and also some great performances also. Favourite fight for me would be Marco Huck vs Alexander Povetkin. Infact Huck has provided some top action. Can't wait to see him in action at HW again maybe against the winner of Chambers vs Adamek. Could be a splendid fight.
I think people are misnderstanding me, im not saying im totally going off the sport. I'll never stop watching boxing, what im saying is that the last year and a bit, i have found that boxing has been in real bad spot, so many bad decisions fights not happening aswell as the steroid cheaters.
The only real two good fights i've seen in ages was Cotto/Mayweather Lopez/Salido 2. And they wern't amazing fights either, it seemed like a few years ago i was seeing alot of good fights, now it seems pretty dull im hoping Bute/Froch is interesting.
I'm not tired of boxing just tired of the fights that should be made not being made.
Watch the Froch vs Bute fight tonight. That will restore your faith!
I cant think of any other sport where the two best players never go against each other. The fighters and promoters have to much power. There are too many fighters avoiding each other. Lots of really bad decisions. Very corrupt. Takes too long for a prospect to have a real fight. The belts dont really mean anything and there are more and more new belts popping up every five seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
He is getting irritated with the sport for those reasons. I can see his point. Would you watch tennis if Nadal and Jhocavic were too afraid to play each other in fear of losing. The sort of bullcrap that happens in boxing is unique to the sport and they manage to walk away with our money while feeding us there constant shit. Such as Jhon Murray fighting losers for 30 fights undefeated only to find out that he was not a top fighter when he lost to Mitchel. Or Cleverly having a title and wanting to defend it against a guy ranked 40th in the world when there are other much more worthy and deserving challenges.
Those are just a few things I can think of off the top of my head.
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeightonI cant think of any other sport where the two best players never go against each other. The fighters and promoters have to much power. There are too many fighters avoiding each other. Lots of really bad decisions. Very corrupt. Takes too long for a prospect to have a real fight. The belts dont really mean anything and there are more and more new belts popping up every five seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
He is getting irritated with the sport for those reasons. I can see his point. Would you watch tennis if Nadal and Jhocavic were too afraid to play each other in fear of losing. The sort of bullcrap that happens in boxing is unique to the sport and they manage to walk away with our money while feeding us there constant shit. Such as Jhon Murray fighting losers for 30 fights undefeated only to find out that he was not a top fighter when he lost to Mitchel. Or Cleverly having a title and wanting to defend it against a guy ranked 40th in the world when there are other much more worthy and deserving challenges.
Those are just a few things I can think of off the top of my head.
Reading between the lines of a few of your posts, I am guessing that you are probably not John Murray's biggest fan.
Great post my thought's exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeightonI cant think of any other sport where the two best players never go against each other. The fighters and promoters have to much power. There are too many fighters avoiding each other. Lots of really bad decisions. Very corrupt. Takes too long for a prospect to have a real fight. The belts dont really mean anything and there are more and more new belts popping up every five seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
He is getting irritated with the sport for those reasons. I can see his point. Would you watch tennis if Nadal and Jhocavic were too afraid to play each other in fear of losing. The sort of bullcrap that happens in boxing is unique to the sport and they manage to walk away with our money while feeding us there constant shit. Such as Jhon Murray fighting losers for 30 fights undefeated only to find out that he was not a top fighter when he lost to Mitchel. Or Cleverly having a title and wanting to defend it against a guy ranked 40th in the world when there are other much more worthy and deserving challenges.
Those are just a few things I can think of off the top of my head.
You are right there. All the way up to the Mitchell fight. That was an awsome fight and Murray got exposed for what I knew he was. He puts up a good effort and fights hard but he was made out to be something he wasnt. If it takes all prospects in this country to have 30 fights before we know how good they are there are gonna be alot more jobs for journeymen out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonI cant think of any other sport where the two best players never go against each other. The fighters and promoters have to much power. There are too many fighters avoiding each other. Lots of really bad decisions. Very corrupt. Takes too long for a prospect to have a real fight. The belts dont really mean anything and there are more and more new belts popping up every five seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
He is getting irritated with the sport for those reasons. I can see his point. Would you watch tennis if Nadal and Jhocavic were too afraid to play each other in fear of losing. The sort of bullcrap that happens in boxing is unique to the sport and they manage to walk away with our money while feeding us there constant shit. Such as Jhon Murray fighting losers for 30 fights undefeated only to find out that he was not a top fighter when he lost to Mitchel. Or Cleverly having a title and wanting to defend it against a guy ranked 40th in the world when there are other much more worthy and deserving challenges.
Those are just a few things I can think of off the top of my head.
Reading between the lines of a few of your posts, I am guessing that you are probably not John Murray's biggest fan.
If you look at my other posts I praise UFC as well. Not for the fact its a more exciting sport but because the right match ups are made at the right time and you find out how good fighters are alot earlier.
This. Now confirmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
Faith restored. You get all the Mayweather and Pac crap and you then watch someone like Froch and it makes you love boxing again. A guy who wants to fight the best and be the best. He got his ass handed to him by Ward but came back and he fights the second placed in the world straight after. No warm up fight and no bullcrap. He admitted Ward was the better fighter on the day which is nice to hear from a boxer as most of them never lose in there minds.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0This. Now confirmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
But wow. He just came out and gave a great performance. Clever boxing at first and when he thought he could hurt Bute he just went for it.
Why cant there be more real fighters in the sport of boxing like Froch.
True this fight helped restore the faith.
This not UFC this is boxing you do seem to be living in La La land , pro boxer's fight for the best purseQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonYou are right there. All the way up to the Mitchell fight. That was an awsome fight and Murray got exposed for what I knew he was. He puts up a good effort and fights hard but he was made out to be something he wasnt. If it takes all prospects in this country to have 30 fights before we know how good they are there are gonna be alot more jobs for journeymen out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonI cant think of any other sport where the two best players never go against each other. The fighters and promoters have to much power. There are too many fighters avoiding each other. Lots of really bad decisions. Very corrupt. Takes too long for a prospect to have a real fight. The belts dont really mean anything and there are more and more new belts popping up every five seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
He is getting irritated with the sport for those reasons. I can see his point. Would you watch tennis if Nadal and Jhocavic were too afraid to play each other in fear of losing. The sort of bullcrap that happens in boxing is unique to the sport and they manage to walk away with our money while feeding us there constant shit. Such as Jhon Murray fighting losers for 30 fights undefeated only to find out that he was not a top fighter when he lost to Mitchel. Or Cleverly having a title and wanting to defend it against a guy ranked 40th in the world when there are other much more worthy and deserving challenges.
Those are just a few things I can think of off the top of my head.
Reading between the lines of a few of your posts, I am guessing that you are probably not John Murray's biggest fan.
If you look at my other posts I praise UFC as well. Not for the fact its a more exciting sport but because the right match ups are made at the right time and you find out how good fighters are alot earlier.
they can get. What you want is not what you get, Children have this out look, but thank god kid's don't
run boxing.A career in boxing is about learning more fight you have the better you become, you have foolish out look on boxing stick to UFC.:jerk:
No
The more you fight the better you become. Does not always work out that way. And you dont think 30 odd fights against nobodies is too many before a real fight. Look at Froch and Khan. They are the best fighters in this country and they are the two fighters that have taken the hard road there. People like Jhon Murray fought about 30 losers and lost to Mitchel. Did these 30 fights against unworthy opponents make him a better fighter. I dont think so. You need good opposition to improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoThis not UFC this is boxing you do seem to be living in La La land , pro boxer's fight for the best purseQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonYou are right there. All the way up to the Mitchell fight. That was an awsome fight and Murray got exposed for what I knew he was. He puts up a good effort and fights hard but he was made out to be something he wasnt. If it takes all prospects in this country to have 30 fights before we know how good they are there are gonna be alot more jobs for journeymen out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonI cant think of any other sport where the two best players never go against each other. The fighters and promoters have to much power. There are too many fighters avoiding each other. Lots of really bad decisions. Very corrupt. Takes too long for a prospect to have a real fight. The belts dont really mean anything and there are more and more new belts popping up every five seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
He is getting irritated with the sport for those reasons. I can see his point. Would you watch tennis if Nadal and Jhocavic were too afraid to play each other in fear of losing. The sort of bullcrap that happens in boxing is unique to the sport and they manage to walk away with our money while feeding us there constant shit. Such as Jhon Murray fighting losers for 30 fights undefeated only to find out that he was not a top fighter when he lost to Mitchel. Or Cleverly having a title and wanting to defend it against a guy ranked 40th in the world when there are other much more worthy and deserving challenges.
Those are just a few things I can think of off the top of my head.
Reading between the lines of a few of your posts, I am guessing that you are probably not John Murray's biggest fan.
If you look at my other posts I praise UFC as well. Not for the fact its a more exciting sport but because the right match ups are made at the right time and you find out how good fighters are alot earlier.
they can get. What you want is not what you get, Children have this out look, but thank god kid's don't
run boxing.A career in boxing is about learning more fight you have the better you become, you have foolish out look on boxing stick to UFC.:jerk:
Look at Cleverly. they wanted him to fight a guy ranked 40th in the world for Clevs title which they thought would line Clev up with a shot at the winner of Dawson Hopkins. That would not prepare Clev for the fight at all. It would just be throwing a lamb to the slaughter to get Warren a bit of cash in his pocket.
You seem to think 4or 5 fight's and you are ready for a World title, far from it you need at lest 20 plus fights. As for Murray his biggest draw back is no ko punch,if he had one he would be a World Champion. Cleverly is a extremely good fighter, I remember him beating a lad form my son's old gymQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonThe more you fight the better you become. Does not always work out that way. And you dont think 30 odd fights against nobodies is too many before a real fight. Look at Froch and Khan. They are the best fighters in this country and they are the two fighters that have taken the hard road there. People like Jhon Murray fought about 30 losers and lost to Mitchel. Did these 30 fights against unworthy opponents make him a better fighter. I dont think so. You need good opposition to improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoThis not UFC this is boxing you do seem to be living in La La land , pro boxer's fight for the best purseQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonYou are right there. All the way up to the Mitchell fight. That was an awsome fight and Murray got exposed for what I knew he was. He puts up a good effort and fights hard but he was made out to be something he wasnt. If it takes all prospects in this country to have 30 fights before we know how good they are there are gonna be alot more jobs for journeymen out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonI cant think of any other sport where the two best players never go against each other. The fighters and promoters have to much power. There are too many fighters avoiding each other. Lots of really bad decisions. Very corrupt. Takes too long for a prospect to have a real fight. The belts dont really mean anything and there are more and more new belts popping up every five seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
He is getting irritated with the sport for those reasons. I can see his point. Would you watch tennis if Nadal and Jhocavic were too afraid to play each other in fear of losing. The sort of bullcrap that happens in boxing is unique to the sport and they manage to walk away with our money while feeding us there constant shit. Such as Jhon Murray fighting losers for 30 fights undefeated only to find out that he was not a top fighter when he lost to Mitchel. Or Cleverly having a title and wanting to defend it against a guy ranked 40th in the world when there are other much more worthy and deserving challenges.
Those are just a few things I can think of off the top of my head.
Reading between the lines of a few of your posts, I am guessing that you are probably not John Murray's biggest fan.
If you look at my other posts I praise UFC as well. Not for the fact its a more exciting sport but because the right match ups are made at the right time and you find out how good fighters are alot earlier.
they can get. What you want is not what you get, Children have this out look, but thank god kid's don't
run boxing.A career in boxing is about learning more fight you have the better you become, you have foolish out look on boxing stick to UFC.:jerk:
Look at Cleverly. they wanted him to fight a guy ranked 40th in the world for Clevs title which they thought would line Clev up with a shot at the winner of Dawson Hopkins. That would not prepare Clev for the fight at all. It would just be throwing a lamb to the slaughter to get Warren a bit of cash in his pocket.
many years back he was a talent then and still is now.
Warren may not be ever on's cup of tea, he's given us great fight and shit one's remember this is a money game, you talk about UFC Mr White is no different to Warren it all about the money, some
people act like Gentlemen but in reality far from it.
We all want to see great fights but in the big picture mangers and promoters, don't want to lose there cash cow do they. Remember this is not Cricket, it a sport were you knock the shit out of each other
simple.
Exactly agree with you. We are basically with most fights watching a money making game for the managers and not challenging competition. If the sport was called watching a bunch of rich people get richer for feeding the public bullshit I wouldnt have any problem with it, at least it would be an appropriate name. And I agree with around 20 fights before a title shot not closer to thirty before they even face a top ten fighter (examples. Murray, Kell Brook, Mitchell, Michael Jennings). But opposition should increase in difficulty more than it does these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoYou seem to think 4or 5 fight's and you are ready for a World title, far from it you need at lest 20 plus fights. As for Murray his biggest draw back is no ko punch,if he had one he would be a World Champion. Cleverly is a extremely good fighter, I remember him beating a lad form my son's old gymQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonThe more you fight the better you become. Does not always work out that way. And you dont think 30 odd fights against nobodies is too many before a real fight. Look at Froch and Khan. They are the best fighters in this country and they are the two fighters that have taken the hard road there. People like Jhon Murray fought about 30 losers and lost to Mitchel. Did these 30 fights against unworthy opponents make him a better fighter. I dont think so. You need good opposition to improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoThis not UFC this is boxing you do seem to be living in La La land , pro boxer's fight for the best purseQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonYou are right there. All the way up to the Mitchell fight. That was an awsome fight and Murray got exposed for what I knew he was. He puts up a good effort and fights hard but he was made out to be something he wasnt. If it takes all prospects in this country to have 30 fights before we know how good they are there are gonna be alot more jobs for journeymen out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonI cant think of any other sport where the two best players never go against each other. The fighters and promoters have to much power. There are too many fighters avoiding each other. Lots of really bad decisions. Very corrupt. Takes too long for a prospect to have a real fight. The belts dont really mean anything and there are more and more new belts popping up every five seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
He is getting irritated with the sport for those reasons. I can see his point. Would you watch tennis if Nadal and Jhocavic were too afraid to play each other in fear of losing. The sort of bullcrap that happens in boxing is unique to the sport and they manage to walk away with our money while feeding us there constant shit. Such as Jhon Murray fighting losers for 30 fights undefeated only to find out that he was not a top fighter when he lost to Mitchel. Or Cleverly having a title and wanting to defend it against a guy ranked 40th in the world when there are other much more worthy and deserving challenges.
Those are just a few things I can think of off the top of my head.
Reading between the lines of a few of your posts, I am guessing that you are probably not John Murray's biggest fan.
If you look at my other posts I praise UFC as well. Not for the fact its a more exciting sport but because the right match ups are made at the right time and you find out how good fighters are alot earlier.
they can get. What you want is not what you get, Children have this out look, but thank god kid's don't
run boxing.A career in boxing is about learning more fight you have the better you become, you have foolish out look on boxing stick to UFC.:jerk:
Look at Cleverly. they wanted him to fight a guy ranked 40th in the world for Clevs title which they thought would line Clev up with a shot at the winner of Dawson Hopkins. That would not prepare Clev for the fight at all. It would just be throwing a lamb to the slaughter to get Warren a bit of cash in his pocket.
many years back he was a talent then and still is now.
Warren may not be ever on's cup of tea, he's given us great fight and shit one's remember this is a money game, you talk about UFC Mr White is no different to Warren it all about the money, some
people act like Gentlemen but in reality far from it.
We all want to see great fights but in the big picture mangers and promoters, don't want to lose there cash cow do they. Remember this is not Cricket, it a sport were you knock the shit out of each other
simple.
As for Cleverly my problem with him is that he has a title and he should be defending it against worthy opposition. If he is not ready for that worthy opposition he should give his title up and face the opposition he is comfortable with. He recently avoided a guy rankedd 9th in the world in order to fight a guy ranked 40th in the world for the title. How does that make sense. Give a shot to a guy who does not deserve it.
Dana white is a money grabbing prick I agree. But he gains his money by giving the fans what they want. He pushes for exciting fights by adding bonusses for those who pull of a spectacular victory. I may not agree with it but it makes the fighter more hungry to put on a performance.
People in the UFC are not just shoved into a world rank fight. They are given suitable competition all the way up to there title fight if they make it and deserve a shot. Unlike boxing where you can fight around 27 or so nobodies and expect a title fight with the top of the devision. If you want to fight the best you should earn your place at the top by fighting other top ten fighters before the belt holders.
When you just had the WBA & WBC, you had to be a top contender to get a shot at a title, unlikeQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonExactly agree with you. We are basically with most fights watching a money making game for the managers and not challenging competition. If the sport was called watching a bunch of rich people get richer for feeding the public bullshit I wouldnt have any problem with it, at least it would be an appropriate name. And I agree with around 20 fights before a title shot not closer to thirty before they even face a top ten fighter (examples. Murray, Kell Brook, Mitchell, Michael Jennings). But opposition should increase in difficulty more than it does these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoYou seem to think 4or 5 fight's and you are ready for a World title, far from it you need at lest 20 plus fights. As for Murray his biggest draw back is no ko punch,if he had one he would be a World Champion. Cleverly is a extremely good fighter, I remember him beating a lad form my son's old gymQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonThe more you fight the better you become. Does not always work out that way. And you dont think 30 odd fights against nobodies is too many before a real fight. Look at Froch and Khan. They are the best fighters in this country and they are the two fighters that have taken the hard road there. People like Jhon Murray fought about 30 losers and lost to Mitchel. Did these 30 fights against unworthy opponents make him a better fighter. I dont think so. You need good opposition to improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoThis not UFC this is boxing you do seem to be living in La La land , pro boxer's fight for the best purseQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonYou are right there. All the way up to the Mitchell fight. That was an awsome fight and Murray got exposed for what I knew he was. He puts up a good effort and fights hard but he was made out to be something he wasnt. If it takes all prospects in this country to have 30 fights before we know how good they are there are gonna be alot more jobs for journeymen out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonI cant think of any other sport where the two best players never go against each other. The fighters and promoters have to much power. There are too many fighters avoiding each other. Lots of really bad decisions. Very corrupt. Takes too long for a prospect to have a real fight. The belts dont really mean anything and there are more and more new belts popping up every five seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
He is getting irritated with the sport for those reasons. I can see his point. Would you watch tennis if Nadal and Jhocavic were too afraid to play each other in fear of losing. The sort of bullcrap that happens in boxing is unique to the sport and they manage to walk away with our money while feeding us there constant shit. Such as Jhon Murray fighting losers for 30 fights undefeated only to find out that he was not a top fighter when he lost to Mitchel. Or Cleverly having a title and wanting to defend it against a guy ranked 40th in the world when there are other much more worthy and deserving challenges.
Those are just a few things I can think of off the top of my head.
Reading between the lines of a few of your posts, I am guessing that you are probably not John Murray's biggest fan.
If you look at my other posts I praise UFC as well. Not for the fact its a more exciting sport but because the right match ups are made at the right time and you find out how good fighters are alot earlier.
they can get. What you want is not what you get, Children have this out look, but thank god kid's don't
run boxing.A career in boxing is about learning more fight you have the better you become, you have foolish out look on boxing stick to UFC.:jerk:
Look at Cleverly. they wanted him to fight a guy ranked 40th in the world for Clevs title which they thought would line Clev up with a shot at the winner of Dawson Hopkins. That would not prepare Clev for the fight at all. It would just be throwing a lamb to the slaughter to get Warren a bit of cash in his pocket.
many years back he was a talent then and still is now.
Warren may not be ever on's cup of tea, he's given us great fight and shit one's remember this is a money game, you talk about UFC Mr White is no different to Warren it all about the money, some
people act like Gentlemen but in reality far from it.
We all want to see great fights but in the big picture mangers and promoters, don't want to lose there cash cow do they. Remember this is not Cricket, it a sport were you knock the shit out of each other
simple.
As for Cleverly my problem with him is that he has a title and he should be defending it against worthy opposition. If he is not ready for that worthy opposition he should give his title up and face the opposition he is comfortable with. He recently avoided a guy rankedd 9th in the world in order to fight a guy ranked 40th in the world for the title. How does that make sense. Give a shot to a guy who does not deserve it.
Dana white is a money grabbing prick I agree. But he gains his money by giving the fans what they want. He pushes for exciting fights by adding bonusses for those who pull of a spectacular victory. I may not agree with it but it makes the fighter more hungry to put on a performance.
People in the UFC are not just shoved into a world rank fight. They are given suitable competition all the way up to there title fight if they make it and deserve a shot. Unlike boxing where you can fight around 27 or so nobodies and expect a title fight with the top of the devision. If you want to fight the best you should earn your place at the top by fighting other top ten fighters before the belt holders.
to day, of course times change there are 2 more in the mix, IBF & WBO.
I agree not all Champions are good, but there again some are the sport is media driven TV play's a big part , boxers and promoters demands for large purses PPV it all go's hand in hand.
Sport in general has changed for us as fan's over the years weather it's Football F1 etc now we have to pay to see your favourite sport. The TV people have a big say in the sport of boxing like it or not,
what sells. Do you think Bute would have come over here to fight Froch just for gate money simple answer no it was down to the TV they generate the big money for boxing you may not like it but it's a fact.Boxing short careers maximum earnings Floyd Pac man or any top fight don't fight for peanut's do they. The day's of Champions fighting for just gate money have long gone, yes I agree there should be better match ups, some times people fall for all the hype all the media is at fault it's what they do.
I know. And its a shame. Theres always people like Froch out there to cheer me up. Look at his last eight fights. He may not have won them all but the guy is a warrior and a credit to the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoWhen you just had the WBA & WBC, you had to be a top contender to get a shot at a title, unlikeQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonExactly agree with you. We are basically with most fights watching a money making game for the managers and not challenging competition. If the sport was called watching a bunch of rich people get richer for feeding the public bullshit I wouldnt have any problem with it, at least it would be an appropriate name. And I agree with around 20 fights before a title shot not closer to thirty before they even face a top ten fighter (examples. Murray, Kell Brook, Mitchell, Michael Jennings). But opposition should increase in difficulty more than it does these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoYou seem to think 4or 5 fight's and you are ready for a World title, far from it you need at lest 20 plus fights. As for Murray his biggest draw back is no ko punch,if he had one he would be a World Champion. Cleverly is a extremely good fighter, I remember him beating a lad form my son's old gymQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonThe more you fight the better you become. Does not always work out that way. And you dont think 30 odd fights against nobodies is too many before a real fight. Look at Froch and Khan. They are the best fighters in this country and they are the two fighters that have taken the hard road there. People like Jhon Murray fought about 30 losers and lost to Mitchel. Did these 30 fights against unworthy opponents make him a better fighter. I dont think so. You need good opposition to improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoThis not UFC this is boxing you do seem to be living in La La land , pro boxer's fight for the best purseQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonYou are right there. All the way up to the Mitchell fight. That was an awsome fight and Murray got exposed for what I knew he was. He puts up a good effort and fights hard but he was made out to be something he wasnt. If it takes all prospects in this country to have 30 fights before we know how good they are there are gonna be alot more jobs for journeymen out there.Quote:
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Originally Posted by LeightonI cant think of any other sport where the two best players never go against each other. The fighters and promoters have to much power. There are too many fighters avoiding each other. Lots of really bad decisions. Very corrupt. Takes too long for a prospect to have a real fight. The belts dont really mean anything and there are more and more new belts popping up every five seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
He is getting irritated with the sport for those reasons. I can see his point. Would you watch tennis if Nadal and Jhocavic were too afraid to play each other in fear of losing. The sort of bullcrap that happens in boxing is unique to the sport and they manage to walk away with our money while feeding us there constant shit. Such as Jhon Murray fighting losers for 30 fights undefeated only to find out that he was not a top fighter when he lost to Mitchel. Or Cleverly having a title and wanting to defend it against a guy ranked 40th in the world when there are other much more worthy and deserving challenges.
Those are just a few things I can think of off the top of my head.
Reading between the lines of a few of your posts, I am guessing that you are probably not John Murray's biggest fan.
If you look at my other posts I praise UFC as well. Not for the fact its a more exciting sport but because the right match ups are made at the right time and you find out how good fighters are alot earlier.
they can get. What you want is not what you get, Children have this out look, but thank god kid's don't
run boxing.A career in boxing is about learning more fight you have the better you become, you have foolish out look on boxing stick to UFC.:jerk:
Look at Cleverly. they wanted him to fight a guy ranked 40th in the world for Clevs title which they thought would line Clev up with a shot at the winner of Dawson Hopkins. That would not prepare Clev for the fight at all. It would just be throwing a lamb to the slaughter to get Warren a bit of cash in his pocket.
many years back he was a talent then and still is now.
Warren may not be ever on's cup of tea, he's given us great fight and shit one's remember this is a money game, you talk about UFC Mr White is no different to Warren it all about the money, some
people act like Gentlemen but in reality far from it.
We all want to see great fights but in the big picture mangers and promoters, don't want to lose there cash cow do they. Remember this is not Cricket, it a sport were you knock the shit out of each other
simple.
As for Cleverly my problem with him is that he has a title and he should be defending it against worthy opposition. If he is not ready for that worthy opposition he should give his title up and face the opposition he is comfortable with. He recently avoided a guy rankedd 9th in the world in order to fight a guy ranked 40th in the world for the title. How does that make sense. Give a shot to a guy who does not deserve it.
Dana white is a money grabbing prick I agree. But he gains his money by giving the fans what they want. He pushes for exciting fights by adding bonusses for those who pull of a spectacular victory. I may not agree with it but it makes the fighter more hungry to put on a performance.
People in the UFC are not just shoved into a world rank fight. They are given suitable competition all the way up to there title fight if they make it and deserve a shot. Unlike boxing where you can fight around 27 or so nobodies and expect a title fight with the top of the devision. If you want to fight the best you should earn your place at the top by fighting other top ten fighters before the belt holders.
to day, of course times change there are 2 more in the mix, IBF & WBO.
I agree not all Champions are good, but there again some are the sport is media driven TV play's a big part , boxers and promoters demands for large purses PPV it all go's hand in hand.
Sport in general has changed for us as fan's over the years weather it's Football F1 etc now we have to pay to see your favourite sport. The TV people have a big say in the sport of boxing like it or not,
what sells. Do you think Bute would have come over here to fight Froch just for gate money simple answer no it was down to the TV they generate the big money for boxing you may not like it but it's a fact.Boxing short careers maximum earnings Floyd Pac man or any top fight don't fight for peanut's do they. The day's of Champions fighting for just gate money have long gone, yes I agree there should be better match ups, some times people fall for all the hype all the media is at fault it's what they do.
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(Don't want to get accused of starting another thread, so I'll just bump this one up... since it's related to the subject at hand).
Was looking at this post, and I'd have to agree with two out of the three points ICB mentioned: bad decisions, and big fights not happening. Fortunately, we DO get the occasional exciting fight every now and then. Anyway, I ran across this article in the Fox Sports page. Granted, it's just a guy in Fox Sports writing about boxing (and horse racing). But it's another person's opinion that is read by countless readers that turn to Fox Sports for the latest sports news.
I'll Have Another, Manny Pacquiao underscore shadiness of their sports - News | FOX Sports on MSN
Everytime someone frets about the state of boxing nowadays, we hear the same, standard responses:
a. Boxing's been around for over a hundred years... and it will always be around.
b. Yeah... boxing's got its problems. But they can't be fixed. They are (shudder) part of boxing.
Meanwhile, MMA grows bigger and bigger... and boxing loses fans daily. I love boxing. I've loved it since I watched my first big fight. And I'd like to see it last another 100 years. But something's broken, and it needs to be fixed.
First of all... what's with the ancient mummies ruling the sport (i.e.: Jose Sulaiman)? Doesn't this scumbag ever plan to retire? Someone should show this guy the door... maybe give him a gold watch first. And what about Oscar de la Hoya? Wasn't he talking about doing something positive for boxing once he retired? Didn't he mention something about being actively involved in the fixing of the sport? Wasn't he supposed to be the new blood? Taking over from the Don Kings and the Bob Arums? Whatever happened to that? As far as I know, DLH is only lining his pockets through his own GBP organization, when not modeling fishnets or doing recreational drugs.
Hell. I even read these days that football/soccer is going to implement goal-line technology. Imagine! A sport as mired in tradition as football/soccer.... modernizing! All other sports change with the times (read the article). How about boxing?
Bad decisions, top fighters not facing each other, increasing doping incidences.... it's enough to make one puke. Doping is in other sports as well, but they are doing vast amounts more to try to fix the problem than boxing is.
But change has to come from the top. And as long as scumbags like Jose Sulaiman have no one to answer to, change will never happen. Judging will not be improved. Refereeing will not be improved. Big fights will not be made in a timely fashion (only when the fighters are over-the-hill). More and more fighters will come up dirty in doping tests. And boxing will slowly sink into fringe sport hell, with a few of us diehard fans hanging on to the wreckage.
Nope There is always a cool fight in the making, something that I am waiting for, no matter what.
-Roidsters andre berto, antonio tarver and lamont peterson exposed.Quote:
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-The manny/bradley debacle.
-Mayweather jailed.
Other than that....
ı have felt thıs way sınce 2005 or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I've been watching boxing, steadily, for fifty-seven years, and it's given me pleasure and pain, but I've never wanted to turn my back on it. Those few minutes when two men or two women get in the ring to answer the guestion, who's the best, make all the BS worth it! It's pure, it's elemental, and for me, dammed near irresistible. Boxing has some serious problems, but there's no way I'm ever going to stop watching it.
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Originally Posted by beenKOed
65 YEARS I BEEN A FAN OF THE FIGHT GAME ,one thing i do not go for is to many titles must be 6 world champions in each weight category nowadays ,in the 40s and 50s every kid could have told who was the world heavyweight champion now you got so many damn versions of it and all to suit PPV television to many farcial fights and bum decisions as well its like a circus, in fact i prefer to watch the amateurs where you can see real triers heart and soul into the game but it to is fraught with some very poor judgings,looking forward to the olympic and what the cubans have this time around,i think Ireland is assured of 1 gold with Katie Taylor another 2 or 3 could make the finalsgood luck to them