Not even sure why. I just have a feeling that he's going to cause the upset.
Anybody else think this?
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Not even sure why. I just have a feeling that he's going to cause the upset.
Anybody else think this?
yeah... I think this way every time when he makes a fight... then just see some footage of him training and I think WOW he aint getting beaten.
Its called the Pac Effect... even now with hindsight its hard to believe this little guy has beaten bigger great fighters like Oscar, Hatton, Margarito, Cotto and Mosley. :cool:
pac is gone to win with a tko in the 8th roud mark my words
i agree with this, I picked Oscar, Hatton and cotto to beat pac and i thought margarito would put up a much better fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
i am thinking i like bradley but its probably not going to happen
Go on then, I will pick Bradley too. It's a ritual to pick Pac's opponent. And Marquez won ya thieving cunts! :mad:
He doesn't lack for confidence that's for sure. He's no doubt up for this and will bring his A game. Pac will have to show the boxing world he really is p4p top 2 and put on a world class performance. Whenever he is doubted he picks up the pace however, So I'm not doubting him again because when I do, he usually puts on a beatdown.
It's a tough one to call though because Bradley is a really good fighter. But he hasn't been in with anyone on Pac's level and that's what might be the difference in the fight.
So I'm picking Pac to win the fight either late or a close but deserving decision.
Bradleys biggest threat is his head buting skillz, Manny wins this at a breeze!!
Not confident but definitely swaying towards Bradley.
young, hungry, fit, strong, fast, tough, skillful.
Might get DQ'd with that nut going in too much but there aint many tougher fights out there for Pac than this.
Part of me thinks he is ripe for a takeover. His head is in an alternate universe. I have a feeling that its more likely we see a technical decision or a no contest. If ever two styles melded together for multiples head butts its this one.
Not sure how anyone could have rationally picked Oscar at the time. He was a sun dried grapefruit. He had not made 147 in about 10 years weighed in 2 pounds under and only rehydrated 2 pounds. Dead man walking. Not sure either why he needed the catch weight with Cotto and not with Clottey who was the biggest welter in the division by far.
My worst nightmare is Bradley winning and is already outsized head not making it out of the ring before he starts running away from Khan again. It is a most uunlikely scenario.Thank God.
Nope, I believe Pacquiao tears Bradley a new asshole, and stops him in one of the later rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Not at all. I've watched Bradleys last 3 fights this week and and don't see any way in hell he can beat Pacquiao, I think he was a very wise choice of opponent considering the chance people seem to be giving him.
After Pacquiao wins all the Pac haters will be saying Bradley was a handpicked chump.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
He is definetly no chump, he just doesn't do any one thing well enough to have continued success against Manny, and he cant match him physically on any level aside from perhaps stamina. Mannys people knew what they were doing taking this fight after he looked so beatable against Marquez, Bradley can't really take all that much from that fight imo.
Only way Breadley wins is if Pacquaio has slipped alarmingly. I think that he'll be competitive but Manny will be faster and land a lot more punches.
I say i'm swaying towards Bradley but really can't pick a winner. Must be a good thing, hopefully we are in for a good close fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axAfter Pacquiao wins all the Pac haters will be saying Bradley was a handpicked chump.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
If Pac wins full credit to him. If he wins in devastating fashion then the pressure is on Floyd to take the fight after a tough night with Cotto. It would certainly give him something to think about over the summer months if he has time on his hands...oh wait :p
Bradley can't punch for shit. Pac will put him in a situation where he doesn't know what to do.
I think it will be alot closer than people think, Bradley is a very good fighter,
and a very awkward customer, but i still expect Pac Man to get a UD.
Bradley is fit young unbeaten and confident so he does have a chance. Pac man will win a decision because he is quicker and will box smart.
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Originally Posted by Mars_axAfter Pacquiao wins all the Pac haters will be saying Bradley was a handpicked chump.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I'm not 100% sure that Pac's going to win, as Bradley to me is a very credible opponent and seems totally pumped up for the fight. Another thing that worries me is Bradley's penchant for leading with the head. This might cause Manny some problems.
But your point is right on. This is one of the more predictable things in this forum. Haters will never give credit when credit is due. They'd rather tear down the opponent, who a day earlier they were predicting would win. You can basically bet your house on this type of shit happening.
Has this just been a great misunderstanding and you were talking about Bradley Pryce...against Billie Joe Saunders?Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
I do not hate Pacquiao and would like it to be known now that I think Bradley is a hand picked chump. It's not entirely Manny's fault and Bradley is not really a chump, but uncle Bob Arum knows exactly which side his bread is buttered on. For a talented fighter like Pacquiao, which even his haters must be able to see, Bradley is quite a predictable and limited opponent. He doesn't hit hard enough and is not great punching whilst moving laterally or backwards, and so relying on his habits he will march right into Pacquiao's traps. There are not a lot of credible fights left for pacman, save Floyd or Marquez who would probably kick his ass again and get shafted by uncle Bob's mates.
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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Well thanks for clearing that up, up front.
;D
At least if and when Pac wins... you can rightfully refer back to your pre-fight assessments. But Pac haters who are crowing that Bradley's going to kick his ass... better not slag on Bradley if he were to lose. Man up!
Yep, like after Froch stopped Bute, all of a sudden Bute wasn't really any good, and fought only 'B' class opponents. They say simular shit about Pacquiao's opponents, Oscar was weight drained, Hatton had already be beaten by Floyd, Cotto was damaged goods, Margarito was shot, Mosley was ancient, Marquez won all 3 fights but was robbed. It'll be more of the same old shit when Pac hands Bradley his ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axAfter Pacquiao wins all the Pac haters will be saying Bradley was a handpicked chump.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I'm not 100% sure that Pac's going to win, as Bradley to me is a very credible opponent and seems totally pumped up for the fight. Another thing that worries me is Bradley's penchant for leading with the head. This might cause Manny some problems.
But your point is right on. This is one of the more predictable things in this forum. Haters will never give credit when credit is due. They'd rather tear down the opponent, who a day earlier they were predicting would win. You can basically bet your house on this type of shit happening.
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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Good breakdown, completely agreed. That's what I've realized as well with Bradley, he doesn't set traps of his own and comes straight forward when he throws for the most part. He is a tough little fighter and his workrate is great, but he isn't powerful or fast enough to win exchanges with Manny and he won't be hard to find.
Think of it this way if someone gave you $1000000 and said you can bet Bradley or Pac , who would you pick?
im thinking every single person on this forum would pick Pac me included
but still when theres nothing on the line people are not so one side
The fighter with the biggest head wins. Pacs head has increased in size for some reason and bradleys head has stayed the same.
Bradley just got to do what marquez and morales done but better.
Pac should win but the excuses from the camp is always growing:-
1. Religon issues-hates gays
2. Ariza
3. Leg cramps
4. Tax issues
Did you see bradleys last fight?
Roach knows what hes doing by picking these fighters.
I feel Bradley is made for Pac, he will stop Bradley in a bout 8 round's, Holt had him in plenty of trouble
Pac will just beat the hell out of him.;)
Yes I feelthe same, Bradley defensive skills are much underrated and Pac is slowing down,there is no doubt about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by imp
Lol. I still say this fight has a good chance of ending on a TD or NC based on the style match up. Manny being a leftie only increases those odds. But yeah the head thing. Manny's head looks twice the size of Bradleys and he resembles a candy apple. Not sure how lil Holyfield can miss that noggin.
Manny's distractions are undeniable and pre-fight are legit reasons imo. It's only after the fight that they become excuses should the impossible happen.
I wonder if he will still have it once he feels Pac's first punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Once Pac feels that Tim's punches are soft he will be more aggressive to get his KO/TKO.
How hard does a boxer need to punch to get his opponents respect? Does it need to be KO power punches, clean punches, flurries, effective counter punches or something from hell like Ernie Shavers punches?
I think that a 'soft puncher' isn't really soft at all, it stings and its not something you wanna keep getting hit with but its not something to knock the wind out of you.
I think Pac. will respect Tim's power to a point, same way he respected marquez's.
No way to make that comparison imo, Marquez hurt Pacquiao mostly by keeping distance and timing him on the way inside. Bradley isn't a counter puncher, I think his lack of power definetly will be telling in this fight. He doesn't have the skillset to force Manny to lead while having his own success, so he'll need to get in close and work hard if he wants to win rounds and in doing so will invite Manny to exchange with him. It's smart matchmaking for Manny and I see Bradley getting TKO'ed unless Manny is really losing strides, in which case it will be a lopsided decision. I give Bradley literally no chance to win:-\Quote:
Originally Posted by DavilaJones
I expect Bradley to have a 'bad night' like Clottey.. so I'm picking Pacquiao.
But even so, after watching Bradley against a high Casamayor I wouldn't pick him against Pacquiao.
Im with you. Hope we are wrong and its at least interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
Don't worry if Pacquiao wins, it will be that most likely the excuse that will be used is Bradley was a bum who knows maybe someone will say he was shot too.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axYep, like after Froch stopped Bute, all of a sudden Bute wasn't really any good, and fought only 'B' class opponents. They say simular shit about Pacquiao's opponents, Oscar was weight drained, Hatton had already be beaten by Floyd, Cotto was damaged goods, Margarito was shot, Mosley was ancient, Marquez won all 3 fights but was robbed. It'll be more of the same old shit when Pac hands Bradley his ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axAfter Pacquiao wins all the Pac haters will be saying Bradley was a handpicked chump.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I'm not 100% sure that Pac's going to win, as Bradley to me is a very credible opponent and seems totally pumped up for the fight. Another thing that worries me is Bradley's penchant for leading with the head. This might cause Manny some problems.
But your point is right on. This is one of the more predictable things in this forum. Haters will never give credit when credit is due. They'd rather tear down the opponent, who a day earlier they were predicting would win. You can basically bet your house on this type of shit happening.
[QUOTE=Mars_ax;1075492][QUOTE=TitoFan;1075457]Not the same as Froch Bute really. Because 'Bute was a bum that only beat B level fighters' is more discrediting the fighter's resume and credentials before stepping into the ring. Not really the case wiht the Pacquiao things. Because all the things have to do with the condition of his opponents or where they were in their career. And are all true and can be backed up. I'll just do a rundown of all that 'hate' for youQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Oscar was weight drained: This is true, Oscar also looked like a shell of himself at the weight class prior when he struggled against Steve Forbes it was obvious that if he looked so terrible trying to lose weight to 150 at 147 he was going to be beyond done. Oscar was already on his way out by the Forbes fight, losing even more weight to fight Pacquiao was just academic at that point, and that's just how it is.
Hatton had already been beaten by Floyd: I really don't hear this one as much as I hear that Hatton went past whatever strategy that his t rainer had given him and was content to slug with Pacquiao from the get go. This was a big mistake. I don't hear Pacquiao getting as much credit taken away for this win as much as I hear that Hatton didn't do himself any favors by ignoring any type of gameplan and just trying to go balls out. Though you could also site him getting hurt against Lazcano as proof his punch resistance was gone.
Cotto was damaged goods(weight drained): Again, I hear that one, but not as much as I hear that Cotto was underprepared and drained physically. And given the way he struggled with Clottey prior there really isn't much evidence to prove otherwise. Especially if you look at how well he's fought at 154 since. To say that before the Pacquiao fight his body was drained and he was underprepared for it given all of the personal in house issues he was dealing with, again this is a very good based point and not just "hate".
Margarito was shot: After what Mosley did to him and how he looked like in the fights following, it was very apparent that Margarito wasn't the same fighter anymore, and anyone that felt he had a chance in that fight was fooled by the way the fight was hyped. It's not out of the question to say that for all intents and purposes Margarito was done after Mosley demolished him. This isn't just an opinion, looking at how Margarito looked after the beatdown + the suspension would you really try to make an argument that Margarito wasn't shot or done by the time he fought Pacquiao?
Mosley was ancient: Again, after watching Mosley draw with Sergio Mora, would you try to make an argument he wasn't by the time he fought Pacquiao? His injury didn't help matters either, and that was proven as well. See the thing is you're trying to take arguments with 'strong bases' and trying to pass them off as hate. The two aren't the same.
Marquez won all 3 fights but was robbed: First fight is a toss up, many people believe Marquez won the second fight, and a LOT of people felt Marquez won the third, despite being 'done and in a weight class that Floyd toyed with him at'. People that say Marquez won the third fight also have strong basis for their arguments, and it's not just "hate" it really really isn't. Most of the way people break down these fights and the advantages that Pacquiao has had, are all strongly based points and much more legitimate than the "Well this guy was a bum!" kind of an argument you are trying to pass them of as.
Pac EffectQuote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
Im gonna use that term ;D
[QUOTE=Majesty;1076132][QUOTE=Mars_ax;1075492]Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanNot the same as Froch Bute really. Because 'Bute was a bum that only beat B level fighters' is more discrediting the fighter's resume and credentials before stepping into the ring. Not really the case wiht the Pacquiao things. Because all the things have to do with the condition of his opponents or where they were in their career. And are all true and can be backed up. I'll just do a rundown of all that 'hate' for youQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Oscar was weight drained: This is true, Oscar also looked like a shell of himself at the weight class prior when he struggled against Steve Forbes it was obvious that if he looked so terrible trying to lose weight to 150 at 147 he was going to be beyond done. Oscar was already on his way out by the Forbes fight, losing even more weight to fight Pacquiao was just academic at that point, and that's just how it is.
Hatton had already been beaten by Floyd: I really don't hear this one as much as I hear that Hatton went past whatever strategy that his t rainer had given him and was content to slug with Pacquiao from the get go. This was a big mistake. I don't hear Pacquiao getting as much credit taken away for this win as much as I hear that Hatton didn't do himself any favors by ignoring any type of gameplan and just trying to go balls out. Though you could also site him getting hurt against Lazcano as proof his punch resistance was gone.
Cotto was damaged goods(weight drained): Again, I hear that one, but not as much as I hear that Cotto was underprepared and drained physically. And given the way he struggled with Clottey prior there really isn't much evidence to prove otherwise. Especially if you look at how well he's fought at 154 since. To say that before the Pacquiao fight his body was drained and he was underprepared for it given all of the personal in house issues he was dealing with, again this is a very good based point and not just "hate".
Margarito was shot: After what Mosley did to him and how he looked like in the fights following, it was very apparent that Margarito wasn't the same fighter anymore, and anyone that felt he had a chance in that fight was fooled by the way the fight was hyped. It's not out of the question to say that for all intents and purposes Margarito was done after Mosley demolished him. This isn't just an opinion, looking at how Margarito looked after the beatdown + the suspension would you really try to make an argument that Margarito wasn't shot or done by the time he fought Pacquiao?
Mosley was ancient: Again, after watching Mosley draw with Sergio Mora, would you try to make an argument he wasn't by the time he fought Pacquiao? His injury didn't help matters either, and that was proven as well. See the thing is you're trying to take arguments with 'strong bases' and trying to pass them off as hate. The two aren't the same.
Marquez won all 3 fights but was robbed: First fight is a toss up, many people believe Marquez won the second fight, and a LOT of people felt Marquez won the third, despite being 'done and in a weight class that Floyd toyed with him at'. People that say Marquez won the third fight also have strong basis for their arguments, and it's not just "hate" it really really isn't. Most of the way people break down these fights and the advantages that Pacquiao has had, are all strongly based points and much more legitimate than the "Well this guy was a bum!" kind of an argument you are trying to pass them of as.
That's exacly the Pac effect.
DLH - Yeah he was not at peak form. but 147 was his choice even before Pac had beaten Diaz.
Hatton - Hatton was superb and improved in beating Malinaggi. He just got beaten by a great fight. no shame in that
Cotto - 146 againts Clottey and 145 againts Pacquiao. Does that define the fight. Pacquio still beats Cotto even at 154. Pacquiao is faster and have the heavier hands that alter strategies
Marquez - What can i say he's good enough to win on one of the 3 judges. He clearly lost the 1st fight but the 2nd and 3rd are too close that either decision is justifiable
Margarito - a big Welterweight that outweighs Pac by 17lbs :o Pac cant get out bed the next day.
This is no ordinary feat. Its like picking a belted fighter like Gamboa and making him climb 4 or 5 weight divisions. How possible is that?
Winning is a possibility for Bradley and he is a rough customer but the fight has to be ugly for him to win. He has to get close to PAC with his style and if PAC circles him he'll pop him.