I'm picking Bradley

[TitoFan]

Not at all. I've watched Bradleys last 3 fights this week and and don't see any way in hell he can beat Pacquiao, I think he was a very wise choice of opponent considering the chance people seem to be giving him.

After Pacquiao wins all the Pac haters will be saying Bradley was a handpicked chump.

I'm not 100% sure that Pac's going to win, as Bradley to me is a very credible opponent and seems totally pumped up for the fight. Another thing that worries me is Bradley's penchant for leading with the head. This might cause Manny some problems.

But your point is right on. This is one of the more predictable things in this forum. Haters will never give credit when credit is due. They'd rather tear down the opponent, who a day earlier they were predicting would win. You can basically bet your house on this type of shit happening.

[Mars_ax]

Not at all. I've watched Bradleys last 3 fights this week and and don't see any way in hell he can beat Pacquiao, I think he was a very wise choice of opponent considering the chance people seem to be giving him.

After Pacquiao wins all the Pac haters will be saying Bradley was a handpicked chump.

I'm not 100% sure that Pac's going to win, as Bradley to me is a very credible opponent and seems totally pumped up for the fight. Another thing that worries me is Bradley's penchant for leading with the head. This might cause Manny some problems.

But your point is right on. This is one of the more predictable things in this forum. Haters will never give credit when credit is due. They'd rather tear down the opponent, who a day earlier they were predicting would win. You can basically bet your house on this type of shit happening.

Yep, like after Froch stopped Bute, all of a sudden Bute wasn't really any good, and fought only 'B' class opponents. They say simular shit about Pacquiao's opponents, Oscar was weight drained, Hatton had already be beaten by Floyd, Cotto was damaged goods, Margarito was shot, Mosley was ancient, Marquez won all 3 fights but was robbed. It'll be more of the same old shit when Pac hands Bradley his ass.

[generalbulldog]

Not at all. I've watched Bradleys last 3 fights this week and and don't see any way in hell he can beat Pacquiao, I think he was a very wise choice of opponent considering the chance people seem to be giving him.

After Pacquiao wins all the Pac haters will be saying Bradley was a handpicked chump.

I'm not 100% sure that Pac's going to win, as Bradley to me is a very credible opponent and seems totally pumped up for the fight. Another thing that worries me is Bradley's penchant for leading with the head. This might cause Manny some problems.

But your point is right on. This is one of the more predictable things in this forum. Haters will never give credit when credit is due. They'd rather tear down the opponent, who a day earlier they were predicting would win. You can basically bet your house on this type of shit happening.

Yep, like after Froch stopped Bute, all of a sudden Bute wasn't really any good, and fought only 'B' class opponents. They say simular shit about Pacquiao's opponents, Oscar was weight drained, Hatton had already be beaten by Floyd, Cotto was damaged goods, Margarito was shot, Mosley was ancient, Marquez won all 3 fights but was robbed. It'll be more of the same old shit when Pac hands Bradley his ass.

Don't worry if Pacquiao wins, it will be that most likely the excuse that will be used is Bradley was a bum who knows maybe someone will say he was shot too.

[Chino]

Don't worry if Pacquiao wins, it will be that most likely the excuse that will be used is Bradley was a bum who knows maybe someone will say he was shot too.

It goes both ways. If Pac loses we’ll hear from his fans “Well, he is having problems with his wife…Ariza and Roach couldn’t work together…We all saw how he got another gift decision vs JMM III because Pac is not in his prime so…Pac is getting old…” Interesting how Bob Arum tries to sell the fight saying how Tim has a heart, is hungry, is positive, hard-working, young, etc. You need more than that to win a fight, come on.

I have been saying all the time that Tim can’t punch, he’s not fighting at his weight, opens up too much when exchanging punches, slap punching won’t do the job, etc. This was another nice pick for Pac.

[Rantcatrat]

Don't worry if Pacquiao wins, it will be that most likely the excuse that will be used is Bradley was a bum who knows maybe someone will say he was shot too.

It goes both ways. If Pac loses we’ll hear from his fans “Well, he is having problems with his wife…Ariza and Roach couldn’t work together…We all saw how he got another gift decision vs JMM III because Pac is not in his prime so…Pac is getting old…” Interesting how Bob Arum tries to sell the fight saying how Tim has a heart, is hungry, is positive, hard-working, young, etc. You need more than that to win a fight, come on.

I have been saying all the time that Tim can’t punch, he’s not fighting at his weight, opens up too much when exchanging punches, slap punching won’t do the job, etc. This was another nice pick for Pac.

As a Bradley fan, I resent your comments. It is your perogative to say what you want about Arum and Pacquiao, but I take issue with your criticism of Bradley. Your problem is that your hate for Arum and Pacquiao blinds you to Bradley's real chances. Bradley was picked because, other than Floyd, Top Rank has ran out of options. If you think Bradley will come forward like a Hattonesque brawler, you will be sorely dissappointed. He has much more skill than you recognize. Why is Fat Dan Rafael picking Bradley in the upset? I'll refute your points one-by-one.

1. Explain why it matters if Tim isn't a big puncher. Lumbering oafs with big punches don't beat Pacquiao. See Margarito. Boxers beat Pacquiao; Tim Bradley is a boxer. He hasn't become 28-0 because of his punching power. Is JMM a big puncher at 140 or 147? News flash: JMM hasn't knocked one person out above 135. Yet, he gave Pacquiao all he could handle.
2. Tim Bradley will be just as effective at 147 against Pacquiao as he would have been at 140. The weight is a non-issue in this fight. Bradley has fought at 147 before against a big welterweight and looked great. Bradley also fought at 152 in the amateurs in 2004. Further, Pacquiao isn't a big welterweight. Recall he fought Marquez at 144 in his last fight.
3. He opens up too much when exchanging punches? To that I contend that he smothers well. He'll be able to get inside on Pacquiao. Make the fight ugly. When was the last time you saw that type of style against Pacquiao? Agapito Sanchez in 2001. Watch that fight and tell me if a better version of Sanchez, which Bradley is, doesn't have a good shot at disrupting Pacquiao's rhythm.

What?

[Leighton]

Don't worry if Pacquiao wins, it will be that most likely the excuse that will be used is Bradley was a bum who knows maybe someone will say he was shot too.

It goes both ways. If Pac loses we’ll hear from his fans “Well, he is having problems with his wife…Ariza and Roach couldn’t work together…We all saw how he got another gift decision vs JMM III because Pac is not in his prime so…Pac is getting old…” Interesting how Bob Arum tries to sell the fight saying how Tim has a heart, is hungry, is positive, hard-working, young, etc. You need more than that to win a fight, come on.

I have been saying all the time that Tim can’t punch, he’s not fighting at his weight, opens up too much when exchanging punches, slap punching won’t do the job, etc. This was another nice pick for Pac.

I think thats the reason why people think Bradley has a chance because Pac looks like he is on the slide. His last few fights have not looked good for him at all. That is for me the reason why I think Bradley could win. I think a prime Pac would have no problem against him.

[Majesty]

[QUOTE=Mars_ax;1075492][QUOTE=TitoFan;1075457]

Yep, like after Froch stopped Bute, all of a sudden Bute wasn't really any good, and fought only 'B' class opponents. They say simular shit about Pacquiao's opponents, Oscar was weight drained, Hatton had already be beaten by Floyd, Cotto was damaged goods, Margarito was shot, Mosley was ancient, Marquez won all 3 fights but was robbed. It'll be more of the same old shit when Pac hands Bradley his ass.

Not the same as Froch Bute really. Because 'Bute was a bum that only beat B level fighters' is more discrediting the fighter's resume and credentials before stepping into the ring. Not really the case wiht the Pacquiao things. Because all the things have to do with the condition of his opponents or where they were in their career. And are all true and can be backed up. I'll just do a rundown of all that 'hate' for you

Oscar was weight drained: This is true, Oscar also looked like a shell of himself at the weight class prior when he struggled against Steve Forbes it was obvious that if he looked so terrible trying to lose weight to 150 at 147 he was going to be beyond done. Oscar was already on his way out by the Forbes fight, losing even more weight to fight Pacquiao was just academic at that point, and that's just how it is.

Hatton had already been beaten by Floyd: I really don't hear this one as much as I hear that Hatton went past whatever strategy that his t rainer had given him and was content to slug with Pacquiao from the get go. This was a big mistake. I don't hear Pacquiao getting as much credit taken away for this win as much as I hear that Hatton didn't do himself any favors by ignoring any type of gameplan and just trying to go balls out. Though you could also site him getting hurt against Lazcano as proof his punch resistance was gone.

Cotto was damaged goods(weight drained): Again, I hear that one, but not as much as I hear that Cotto was underprepared and drained physically. And given the way he struggled with Clottey prior there really isn't much evidence to prove otherwise. Especially if you look at how well he's fought at 154 since. To say that before the Pacquiao fight his body was drained and he was underprepared for it given all of the personal in house issues he was dealing with, again this is a very good based point and not just "hate".

Margarito was shot: After what Mosley did to him and how he looked like in the fights following, it was very apparent that Margarito wasn't the same fighter anymore, and anyone that felt he had a chance in that fight was fooled by the way the fight was hyped. It's not out of the question to say that for all intents and purposes Margarito was done after Mosley demolished him. This isn't just an opinion, looking at how Margarito looked after the beatdown + the suspension would you really try to make an argument that Margarito wasn't shot or done by the time he fought Pacquiao?

Mosley was ancient: Again, after watching Mosley draw with Sergio Mora, would you try to make an argument he wasn't by the time he fought Pacquiao? His injury didn't help matters either, and that was proven as well. See the thing is you're trying to take arguments with 'strong bases' and trying to pass them off as hate. The two aren't the same.

Marquez won all 3 fights but was robbed: First fight is a toss up, many people believe Marquez won the second fight, and a LOT of people felt Marquez won the third, despite being 'done and in a weight class that Floyd toyed with him at'. People that say Marquez won the third fight also have strong basis for their arguments, and it's not just "hate" it really really isn't. Most of the way people break down these fights and the advantages that Pacquiao has had, are all strongly based points and much more legitimate than the "Well this guy was a bum!" kind of an argument you are trying to pass them of as.

[miron_lang]

[QUOTE=Majesty;1076132][QUOTE=Mars_ax;1075492]

Yep, like after Froch stopped Bute, all of a sudden Bute wasn't really any good, and fought only 'B' class opponents. They say simular shit about Pacquiao's opponents, Oscar was weight drained, Hatton had already be beaten by Floyd, Cotto was damaged goods, Margarito was shot, Mosley was ancient, Marquez won all 3 fights but was robbed. It'll be more of the same old shit when Pac hands Bradley his ass.

Not the same as Froch Bute really. Because 'Bute was a bum that only beat B level fighters' is more discrediting the fighter's resume and credentials before stepping into the ring. Not really the case wiht the Pacquiao things. Because all the things have to do with the condition of his opponents or where they were in their career. And are all true and can be backed up. I'll just do a rundown of all that 'hate' for you

Oscar was weight drained: This is true, Oscar also looked like a shell of himself at the weight class prior when he struggled against Steve Forbes it was obvious that if he looked so terrible trying to lose weight to 150 at 147 he was going to be beyond done. Oscar was already on his way out by the Forbes fight, losing even more weight to fight Pacquiao was just academic at that point, and that's just how it is.

Hatton had already been beaten by Floyd: I really don't hear this one as much as I hear that Hatton went past whatever strategy that his t rainer had given him and was content to slug with Pacquiao from the get go. This was a big mistake. I don't hear Pacquiao getting as much credit taken away for this win as much as I hear that Hatton didn't do himself any favors by ignoring any type of gameplan and just trying to go balls out. Though you could also site him getting hurt against Lazcano as proof his punch resistance was gone.

Cotto was damaged goods(weight drained): Again, I hear that one, but not as much as I hear that Cotto was underprepared and drained physically. And given the way he struggled with Clottey prior there really isn't much evidence to prove otherwise. Especially if you look at how well he's fought at 154 since. To say that before the Pacquiao fight his body was drained and he was underprepared for it given all of the personal in house issues he was dealing with, again this is a very good based point and not just "hate".

Margarito was shot: After what Mosley did to him and how he looked like in the fights following, it was very apparent that Margarito wasn't the same fighter anymore, and anyone that felt he had a chance in that fight was fooled by the way the fight was hyped. It's not out of the question to say that for all intents and purposes Margarito was done after Mosley demolished him. This isn't just an opinion, looking at how Margarito looked after the beatdown + the suspension would you really try to make an argument that Margarito wasn't shot or done by the time he fought Pacquiao?

Mosley was ancient: Again, after watching Mosley draw with Sergio Mora, would you try to make an argument he wasn't by the time he fought Pacquiao? His injury didn't help matters either, and that was proven as well. See the thing is you're trying to take arguments with 'strong bases' and trying to pass them off as hate. The two aren't the same.

Marquez won all 3 fights but was robbed: First fight is a toss up, many people believe Marquez won the second fight, and a LOT of people felt Marquez won the third, despite being 'done and in a weight class that Floyd toyed with him at'. People that say Marquez won the third fight also have strong basis for their arguments, and it's not just "hate" it really really isn't. Most of the way people break down these fights and the advantages that Pacquiao has had, are all strongly based points and much more legitimate than the "Well this guy was a bum!" kind of an argument you are trying to pass them of as.

That's exacly the Pac effect.


DLH - Yeah he was not at peak form. but 147 was his choice even before Pac had beaten Diaz.

Hatton - Hatton was superb and improved in beating Malinaggi. He just got beaten by a great fight. no shame in that

Cotto - 146 againts Clottey and 145 againts Pacquiao. Does that define the fight. Pacquio still beats Cotto even at 154. Pacquiao is faster and have the heavier hands that alter strategies

Marquez - What can i say he's good enough to win on one of the 3 judges. He clearly lost the 1st fight but the 2nd and 3rd are too close that either decision is justifiable

Margarito - a big Welterweight that outweighs Pac by 17lbs Pac cant get out bed the next day.



This is no ordinary feat. Its like picking a belted fighter like Gamboa and making him climb 4 or 5 weight divisions. How possible is that?