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JCC Jr. will never get a break...
Chavez fought someone who many people believed had a chance of beating him in Andy Lee. Lee came out strong and controlled the first four rounds (I gave all those to Lee) but then Chavez warmed up and really started dishing out some punishment until Lee fell to the stronger punchers shots.
Unfortunately for Chavez because of the fact of who his father was/is, there will always be people who believe he hasnt earned anything that he has gotten. I have not been a huge Chavez supporter as he has seemed pretty non-chalant himself over his career and training, but I have to admit that this victory was very impressive and it gives him alot of credibility as a middleweight champion/contender.
People on this thread are already saying that he will probably beat Martinez but discrediting the victory due to XYZ reason, again discrediting him before the fight has even been signed.
What does this kid have to do to get some respect??
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Re: JCC Jr. will never get a break...
shave the side burns for a start.
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Made to follow the same rules as everyone else, taking a dam drug test and having his gloves inspected would be a nice start, I have a feeling ya might just be trying to wind up some people tho.....
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Re: JCC Jr. will never get a break...
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armin
Made to follow the same rules as everyone else, taking a dam drug test and having his gloves inspected would be a nice start, I have a feeling ya might just be trying to wind up some people tho.....
No not at all, it is an honest post and question. I'm fully aware of his protected status and I also heard/read about the gloves and urine sample and I agree with those arguments but Im sure other fighters have at some point in history have had similar favorable treatment. JCC gets slammed because his favorable treatment comes from who his father is, however he did just walk through what was said was going to be his biggest test and he cant even get a pat on the back.
As far as the weight issues, he can come in at 250 lbs on fight day as long as he weighed in at 160 at the official weigh in then good for him if he can make his body do that, he is playing by the rules that were set forth many years before he was even born.
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Re: JCC Jr. will never get a break...
A break from what?
Not only is he 20 plus pounds heavier then his opponents on fight night but he can also bring his own gloves, refuse to have them checked and bail out of piss tests. If the fight with Martinez is really done and not just reported as such then he will also get away with circumventing the WBC's newest rule scheduled to be in effect by June 30.
How about his opponents catching a break?
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Re: JCC Jr. will never get a break...
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
A break from what?
Not only is he 20 plus pounds heavier then his opponents on fight night but he can also bring his own gloves, refuse to have them checked and bail out of piss tests. If the fight with Martinez is really done and not just reported as such then he will also get away with circumventing the WBC's newest rule scheduled to be in effect by June 30.
How about his opponents catching a break?
He doesnt stop any of his opponents from weighing in at whatever they want/can weigh in at. Again as long as he gets to 160 on the weigh in why does he get ragged on for something that is available to everyone.
Again as far as the piss tests and gloves go, I agree he shouldnt be getting away with it. But the piss test is the 2nd time and the gloves was the first time, before that he still got shit because he was "protected" and he was. But now he steps it up and again no credit is given when at least some credit is due for the performance he put on.
THe more popular fighters will always dictate how the fight is going to be handled, where it will be, etc. If the other fighter agrees to everything presented then its on them to be able to close the deal on fight night.
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I would propsose to you to review his fight vs Molina and judge who won that fight. Then ask yourself if Molina's dad was a legend in a country and Chavez was a nobody would the fight still be scored a draw? If not then who should have been the winner?
That aside I do believe he has skill and he is a good prosect. A top 15 prospect for sure. I think Dmytry Pirog or Daniel Geale can both have their way with him due to his tendency to lean forward and be flat footed. He does have pop and he throws the nicest left hook in the middleweigh division. Would that be enough for him to be heralded as a champ? No.
He does come to fight and he has heart for that I applaude him.
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
armin
Made to follow the same rules as everyone else, taking a dam drug test and having his gloves inspected would be a nice start, I have a feeling ya might just be trying to wind up some people tho.....
No not at all, it is an honest post and question. I'm fully aware of his protected status and I also heard/read about the gloves and urine sample and I agree with those arguments but Im sure other fighters have at some point in history have had similar favorable treatment. JCC gets slammed because his favorable treatment comes from who his father is, however he did just walk through what was said was going to be his biggest test and he cant even get a pat on the back.
As far as the weight issues, he can come in at 250 lbs on fight day as long as he weighed in at 160 at the official weigh in then good for him if he can make his body do that, he is playing by the rules that were set forth many years before he was even born.
I doubt he's playing by the rules tho, failed drug test in nevada, then 2 botched tests in texas, something stinks. Not like its a one time occurence, if I had to wager money id say he's on diuretics...
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Re: JCC Jr. will never get a break...
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
A break from what?
Not only is he 20 plus pounds heavier then his opponents on fight night but he can also bring his own gloves, refuse to have them checked and bail out of piss tests. If the fight with Martinez is really done and not just reported as such then he will also get away with circumventing the WBC's newest rule scheduled to be in effect by June 30.
How about his opponents catching a break?
Only if one of them had a famous dad who's best buddies with the commission's boss and together can break or bend rules at their convenience. Others need not apply.
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
armin
Made to follow the same rules as everyone else, taking a dam drug test and having his gloves inspected would be a nice start, I have a feeling ya might just be trying to wind up some people tho.....
No not at all, it is an honest post and question. I'm fully aware of his protected status and I also heard/read about the gloves and urine sample and I agree with those arguments but Im sure other fighters have at some point in history have had similar favorable treatment. JCC gets slammed because his favorable treatment comes from who his father is, however he did just walk through what was said was going to be his biggest test and he cant even get a pat on the back.
As far as the weight issues, he can come in at 250 lbs on fight day as long as he weighed in at 160 at the official weigh in then good for him if he can make his body do that, he is playing by the rules that were set forth many years before he was even born.
with all due respect, I can't recall someone not giving urine samples when they are requested who HAPPENED TO HAVE ALREADY TESTED POSITIVE FOR A DIURETIC AND BEEN SUSPENDED FOR CHEATING PREVIOUSLY!!!!
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Re: JCC Jr. will never get a break...
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
A break from what?
Not only is he 20 plus pounds heavier then his opponents on fight night but he can also bring his own gloves, refuse to have them checked and bail out of piss tests. If the fight with Martinez is really done and not just reported as such then he will also get away with circumventing the WBC's newest rule scheduled to be in effect by June 30.
How about his opponents catching a break?
He doesnt stop any of his opponents from weighing in at whatever they want/can weigh in at. Again as long as he gets to 160 on the weigh in why does he get ragged on for something that is available to everyone.
Again as far as the piss tests and gloves go, I agree he shouldnt be getting away with it. But the piss test is the 2nd time and the gloves was the first time, before that he still got shit because he was "protected" and he was. But now he steps it up and again no credit is given when at least some credit is due for the performance he put on.
THe more popular fighters will always dictate how the fight is going to be handled, where it will be, etc. If the other fighter agrees to everything presented then its on them to be able to close the deal on fight night.
Because there are 17 divisions not 8. I'm no Hop fan but he actually weighed under 160 on the night of some of his fights. If he's going to take advantage of weight disparity then do the drug test. Anybody can get under using diuretics and then claim to have no water in the bag to fill the paper cup. Again your argument is a slippery slope because to give him credit for Saturday's fight is to ignore all the facts that assisted him. Yeah twice for the piss test because he already tested positive once and if it happens again he's in shit so in order to not let it happen again he cant manage to take a piss. Only once on the glove thing? Same with Louis Resto and he did two and a half years in prison.
No champion in modern day history has ever been able to bring his own gloves to a championship fight and refuse to have them inspected. That fact alone tarnishes the fight and also becomes an asterisk in a historians note book. Talk about thee appearance of impropriety. They should use that single act as a definition in the dictionary.
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Re: JCC Jr. will never get a break...
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
A break from what?
Not only is he 20 plus pounds heavier then his opponents on fight night but he can also bring his own gloves, refuse to have them checked and bail out of piss tests. If the fight with Martinez is really done and not just reported as such then he will also get away with circumventing the WBC's newest rule scheduled to be in effect by June 30.
How about his opponents catching a break?
He doesnt stop any of his opponents from weighing in at whatever they want/can weigh in at. Again as long as he gets to 160 on the weigh in why does he get ragged on for something that is available to everyone.
Again as far as the piss tests and gloves go, I agree he shouldnt be getting away with it. But the piss test is the 2nd time and the gloves was the first time, before that he still got shit because he was "protected" and he was. But now he steps it up and again no credit is given when at least some credit is due for the performance he put on.
THe more popular fighters will always dictate how the fight is going to be handled, where it will be, etc. If the other fighter agrees to everything presented then its on them to be able to close the deal on fight night.
Because there are 17 divisions not 8. I'm no Hop fan but he actually weighed under 160 on the night of some of his fights. If he's going to take advantage of weight disparity then do the drug test. Anybody can get under using diuretics and then claim to have no water in the bag to fill the paper cup. Again your argument is a slippery slope because to give him credit for Saturday's fight is to ignore all the facts that assisted him. Yeah twice for the piss test because he already tested positive once and if it happens again he's in shit so in order to not let it happen again he cant manage to take a piss. Only once on the glove thing? Same with Louis Resto and he did two and a half years in prison.
No champion in modern day history has ever been able to bring his own gloves to a championship fight and refuse to have them inspected. That fact alone tarnishes the fight and also becomes an asterisk in a historians note book. Talk about thee appearance of impropriety. They should use that single act as a definition in the dictionary.
I agree with all of your points. My point in the thread is not give him credit for all of his outside the ring antics but to give him credit for the performance he gave. He showed a very strong chin, he started slowly but then really poured it on as the fight progressed, and he goaded Lee into fighting his fight.
Even in my response though I see where the things that he is being fishy about would help him to have fought that type of fight and give him those advantages. Perhaps the guys deserves the criticism.
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Re: JCC Jr. will never get a break...
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
A break from what?
Not only is he 20 plus pounds heavier then his opponents on fight night but he can also bring his own gloves, refuse to have them checked and bail out of piss tests. If the fight with Martinez is really done and not just reported as such then he will also get away with circumventing the WBC's newest rule scheduled to be in effect by June 30.
How about his opponents catching a break?
He doesnt stop any of his opponents from weighing in at whatever they want/can weigh in at. Again as long as he gets to 160 on the weigh in why does he get ragged on for something that is available to everyone.
Again as far as the piss tests and gloves go, I agree he shouldnt be getting away with it. But the piss test is the 2nd time and the gloves was the first time, before that he still got shit because he was "protected" and he was. But now he steps it up and again no credit is given when at least some credit is due for the performance he put on.
THe more popular fighters will always dictate how the fight is going to be handled, where it will be, etc. If the other fighter agrees to everything presented then its on them to be able to close the deal on fight night.
Because there are 17 divisions not 8. I'm no Hop fan but he actually weighed under 160 on the night of some of his fights. If he's going to take advantage of weight disparity then do the drug test. Anybody can get under using diuretics and then claim to have no water in the bag to fill the paper cup. Again your argument is a slippery slope because to give him credit for Saturday's fight is to ignore all the facts that assisted him. Yeah twice for the piss test because he already tested positive once and if it happens again he's in shit so in order to not let it happen again he cant manage to take a piss. Only once on the glove thing? Same with Louis Resto and he did two and a half years in prison.
No champion in modern day history has ever been able to bring his own gloves to a championship fight and refuse to have them inspected. That fact alone tarnishes the fight and also becomes an asterisk in a historians note book. Talk about thee appearance of impropriety. They should use that single act as a definition in the dictionary.
I agree with all of your points. My point in the thread is not give him credit for all of his outside the ring antics but to give him credit for the performance he gave. He showed a very strong chin, he started slowly but then really poured it on as the fight progressed, and he goaded Lee into fighting his fight.
Even in my response though I see where the things that he is being fishy about would help him to have fought that type of fight and give him those advantages. Perhaps the guys deserves the criticism.
my opinion of chavez jr in the ring has gone up. He has a damn good chin. He goes to the body the way many more fighters need to.
I do not like the questionable behavior. He got caught cheating. And yet there are issues with him giving urine samples when requested. And it seems to be every time.
After you are caught (and you are a high profile fighter) there needs to be the type of testing pre and post fight that we see with guys like Floyd/Cotto, berto/ortiz, etc....
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Re: JCC Jr. will never get a break...
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Originally Posted by
captainanddew
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
A break from what?
Not only is he 20 plus pounds heavier then his opponents on fight night but he can also bring his own gloves, refuse to have them checked and bail out of piss tests. If the fight with Martinez is really done and not just reported as such then he will also get away with circumventing the WBC's newest rule scheduled to be in effect by June 30.
How about his opponents catching a break?
He doesnt stop any of his opponents from weighing in at whatever they want/can weigh in at. Again as long as he gets to 160 on the weigh in why does he get ragged on for something that is available to everyone.
Again as far as the piss tests and gloves go, I agree he shouldnt be getting away with it. But the piss test is the 2nd time and the gloves was the first time, before that he still got shit because he was "protected" and he was. But now he steps it up and again no credit is given when at least some credit is due for the performance he put on.
THe more popular fighters will always dictate how the fight is going to be handled, where it will be, etc. If the other fighter agrees to everything presented then its on them to be able to close the deal on fight night.
Because there are 17 divisions not 8. I'm no Hop fan but he actually weighed under 160 on the night of some of his fights. If he's going to take advantage of weight disparity then do the drug test. Anybody can get under using diuretics and then claim to have no water in the bag to fill the paper cup. Again your argument is a slippery slope because to give him credit for Saturday's fight is to ignore all the facts that assisted him. Yeah twice for the piss test because he already tested positive once and if it happens again he's in shit so in order to not let it happen again he cant manage to take a piss. Only once on the glove thing? Same with Louis Resto and he did two and a half years in prison.
No champion in modern day history has ever been able to bring his own gloves to a championship fight and refuse to have them inspected. That fact alone tarnishes the fight and also becomes an asterisk in a historians note book. Talk about thee appearance of impropriety. They should use that single act as a definition in the dictionary.
I agree with all of your points. My point in the thread is not give him credit for all of his outside the ring antics but to give him credit for the performance he gave. He showed a very strong chin, he started slowly but then really poured it on as the fight progressed, and he goaded Lee into fighting his fight.
Even in my response though I see where the things that he is being fishy about would help him to have fought that type of fight and give him those advantages. Perhaps the guys deserves the criticism.
my opinion of chavez jr in the ring has gone up. He has a damn good chin. He goes to the body the way many more fighters need to.
I do not like the questionable behavior. He got caught cheating. And yet there are issues with him giving urine samples when requested. And it seems to be every time.
After you are caught (and you are a high profile fighter) there needs to be the type of testing pre and post fight that we see with guys like Floyd/Cotto, berto/ortiz, etc....
Couldnt have said it better.
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Originally Posted by
Onix
Chavez fought someone who many people believed had a chance of beating him in Andy Lee. Lee came out strong and controlled the first four rounds (I gave all those to Lee) but then Chavez warmed up and really started dishing out some punishment until Lee fell to the stronger punchers shots.
Unfortunately for Chavez because of the fact of who his father was/is, there will always be people who believe he hasnt earned anything that he has gotten. I have not been a huge Chavez supporter as he has seemed pretty non-chalant himself over his career and training, but I have to admit that this victory was very impressive and it gives him alot of credibility as a middleweight champion/contender.
People on this thread are already saying that he will probably beat Martinez but discrediting the victory due to XYZ reason, again discrediting him before the fight has even been signed.
What does this kid have to do to get some respect??
there's people that think he'll beat martinez?
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Far as I'm concerned, if you're avoiding a drug test (not only one BUT TWICE) then you are a cheater.
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Re: JCC Jr. will never get a break...
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
armin
Made to follow the same rules as everyone else, taking a dam drug test and having his gloves inspected would be a nice start, I have a feeling ya might just be trying to wind up some people tho.....
No not at all, it is an honest post and question. I'm fully aware of his protected status and I also heard/read about the gloves and urine sample and I agree with those arguments but Im sure other fighters have at some point in history have had similar favorable treatment. JCC gets slammed because his favorable treatment comes from who his father is, however he did just walk through what was said was going to be his biggest test and he cant even get a pat on the back.
As far as the weight issues, he can come in at 250 lbs on fight day as long as he weighed in at 160 at the official weigh in then good for him if he can make his body do that, he is playing by the rules that were set forth many years before he was even born.
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Althugz
Far as I'm concerned, if you're avoiding a drug test (not only one BUT TWICE) then you are a cheater.
@Onix - there is a perceived feeling that Junior can bend the rules because of his name. There may be some merit to that feeling. It can't be denied that he failed a drug test in the past and was suspended from Nevada for a while, as a result. Why hasn't he fought in Nevada since failing a drug test there? One would hope that failing a drug test would encourage Junior to be more transparent. Instead, there have been issues over his drug testing on two separate occassions since. Throw in the gloves controversy and you shouldn't be surprised that fight fans are suspicious of him. It appears he has improved his boxing. However, it's difficult to commend his improvements if we can't be sure he is fighting on a level-playing field.
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I've yet to see JC Jr.'s win over Andy Lee, but if he can take Lee's power so well and if he has improved his power so much then I give the kid nothing but props. Andy Lee even said he was beaten by the better man. I figure he's ready for his title shot vs Martinez and I wouldn't doubt that JC Jr. will do well especially considering the trouble Barker gave to Sergio.
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It's not the case that he's only getting grief because of who his father was. He's getting no repsect because of all the shit he's allowed to pull, previous posters have already listed all the shit he gets away with. And like somebody already said, when you consider he's been caught taking diuretics and then refused to give a sample in two consecutive fights and nothing is done about it, that fucking stinks, and so the smell of shit clings unmistakably to Chavez Junior and everybody connected with him.
Is it true the WBC chief has beacked off same-day weigh-ins? If it's true add that to the fucking list. And let's see the fucker take a piss test in Vegas. If he comes in twenty odd pounds over the limit and then fails a piss test he should be banned from boxing.
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Re: JCC Jr. will never get a break...
fight someone his own size for starters, hard to give the guy that much credit when he's barely getting passed guys he holds a 20 lb advantage over :-\:-X
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Re: JCC Jr. will never get a break...
Is Chavez junior taking illegal substances to make weight and then balloon up to light heavy during fight night? He was accused of it in his last fight and the commission seem a bit lax about drug testing.
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Master
Is Chavez junior taking illegal substances to make weight and then balloon up to light heavy during fight night? He was accused of it in his last fight and the commission seem a bit lax about drug testing.
he already tested positive for diuretics in the past
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Master
Is Chavez junior taking illegal substances to make weight and then balloon up to light heavy during fight night? He was accused of it in his last fight and the commission seem a bit lax about drug testing.
He was 181 pounds when he fought Rubio and that was a fight that he claimed afterwards to be having problems re-hydrating for. I bet he was 185+ for Lee.
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Althugz
Far as I'm concerned, if you're avoiding a drug test (not only one BUT TWICE) then you are a cheater.
But if you take one and it comes back positive as in the case of Peterson, apparently everything is hunky dory as long as your testosterone levels are not massively higher than your opponents? I think that makes you a cheat. Being Tarzan's chimpanzee makes you a cheetah.
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Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Althugz
Far as I'm concerned, if you're avoiding a drug test (not only one BUT TWICE) then you are a cheater.
But if you take one and it comes back positive as in the case of Peterson, apparently everything is hunky dory as long as your testosterone levels are not massively higher than your opponents? I think that makes you a cheat. Being Tarzan's chimpanzee makes you a cheetah.
Hi Greenbeanz!
Peterson volunteered and demanded stricter testing - He got caught not because he held an advantage over his opponent but because his test levels were synthetically brought into normal ranges. I didn't question that he was in the wrong. He should have followed procedure and he would have been fine because he was legally allowed to have those levels of testosterone present in his system.
Bit different to being caught with illegal substances that cut water weight from your body and then evading two tests in consequent fights. You're basically using them to come in with a very real weight advantage come fight night. That's cheating.
:-*
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armin
Made to follow the same rules as everyone else, taking a dam drug test and having his gloves inspected would be a nice start, I have a feeling ya might just be trying to wind up some people tho.....
That's exactly what it is.
;)
And as you can see, the response has been a unanimous "slam dunk" of Junior into the Waste Basket of Cheaters.
Nothing much to add to what's already been said.
Gotta admit tho..... feels good not having to post what I've been saying all along:
He's nothing but a last name who has been coddled his entire career, and now even gets away with flagrant cheating and/or bending of the rules (same thing). Give him credit because he beat a slow, lumbering middleweight who he himself probably outweighed by 20+ pounds by the time of the fight? Absolutely not.
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
armin
Made to follow the same rules as everyone else, taking a dam drug test and having his gloves inspected would be a nice start, I have a feeling ya might just be trying to wind up some people tho.....
That's exactly what it is.
;)
And as you can see, the response has been a unanimous "slam dunk" of Junior into the Waste Basket of Cheaters.
Nothing much to add to what's already been said.
Gotta admit tho..... feels good not having to post what I've been saying all along:
He's nothing but a last name who has been coddled his entire career, and now even gets away with flagrant cheating and/or bending of the rules (same thing). Give him credit because he beat a slow, lumbering middleweight who he himself probably outweighed by 20+ pounds by the time of the fight? Absolutely not.
Yup and as you can see I agreed with most of what was stated in this thread. Dont need to wind anyone up on this thread everything on this forum is an opinion and nothing more, so your opinion doesnt count anymore than mine. But regardless of that I'll give you this one Tito.
I know deep down inside you love hating on Mexican fighters if I did my home work and read everyone of your posts I could repost some evidence but its not that important to me, But I'm on to you buddy
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
armin
Made to follow the same rules as everyone else, taking a dam drug test and having his gloves inspected would be a nice start, I have a feeling ya might just be trying to wind up some people tho.....
That's exactly what it is.
;)
And as you can see, the response has been a unanimous "slam dunk" of Junior into the Waste Basket of Cheaters.
Nothing much to add to what's already been said.
Gotta admit tho..... feels good not having to post what I've been saying all along:
He's nothing but a last name who has been coddled his entire career, and now even gets away with flagrant cheating and/or bending of the rules (same thing). Give him credit because he beat a slow, lumbering middleweight who he himself probably outweighed by 20+ pounds by the time of the fight? Absolutely not.
Yup and as you can see I agreed with most of what was stated in this thread. Dont need to wind anyone up on this thread everything on this forum is an opinion and nothing more, so your opinion doesnt count anymore than mine. But regardless of that I'll give you this one Tito.
I know deep down inside you love hating on Mexican fighters if I did my home work and read everyone of your posts I could repost some evidence but its not that important to me, But I'm on to you buddy
To make your case, you'd have to ignore the dozens of posts where I've talked about the virtues of fighters like JMM, MAB, and Finito. You wouldn't want to shoot down your theory before it got off the ground.
Oh.... and I'm not your buddy.
;)
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
armin
Made to follow the same rules as everyone else, taking a dam drug test and having his gloves inspected would be a nice start, I have a feeling ya might just be trying to wind up some people tho.....
That's exactly what it is.
;)
And as you can see, the response has been a unanimous "slam dunk" of Junior into the Waste Basket of Cheaters.
Nothing much to add to what's already been said.
Gotta admit tho..... feels good not having to post what I've been saying all along:
He's nothing but a last name who has been coddled his entire career, and now even gets away with flagrant cheating and/or bending of the rules (same thing). Give him credit because he beat a slow, lumbering middleweight who he himself probably outweighed by 20+ pounds by the time of the fight? Absolutely not.
Yup and as you can see I agreed with most of what was stated in this thread. Dont need to wind anyone up on this thread everything on this forum is an opinion and nothing more, so your opinion doesnt count anymore than mine. But regardless of that I'll give you this one Tito.
I know deep down inside you love hating on Mexican fighters if I did my home work and read everyone of your posts I could repost some evidence but its not that important to me, But I'm on to you buddy
To make your case, you'd have to ignore the dozens of posts where I've talked about the virtues of fighters like JMM, MAB, and Finito. You wouldn't want to shoot down your theory before it got off the ground.
Oh.... and I'm not your buddy.
;)
No you're not but I dont want to call you an asshole either so I take the high road.
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
armin
Made to follow the same rules as everyone else, taking a dam drug test and having his gloves inspected would be a nice start, I have a feeling ya might just be trying to wind up some people tho.....
That's exactly what it is.
;)
And as you can see, the response has been a unanimous "slam dunk" of Junior into the Waste Basket of Cheaters.
Nothing much to add to what's already been said.
Gotta admit tho..... feels good not having to post what I've been saying all along:
He's nothing but a last name who has been coddled his entire career, and now even gets away with flagrant cheating and/or bending of the rules (same thing). Give him credit because he beat a slow, lumbering middleweight who he himself probably outweighed by 20+ pounds by the time of the fight? Absolutely not.
Yup and as you can see I agreed with most of what was stated in this thread. Dont need to wind anyone up on this thread everything on this forum is an opinion and nothing more, so your opinion doesnt count anymore than mine. But regardless of that I'll give you this one Tito.
I know deep down inside you love hating on Mexican fighters if I did my home work and read everyone of your posts I could repost some evidence but its not that important to me, But I'm on to you buddy
To make your case, you'd have to ignore the dozens of posts where I've talked about the virtues of fighters like JMM, MAB, and Finito. You wouldn't want to shoot down your theory before it got off the ground.
Oh.... and I'm not your buddy.
;)
No you're not but I dont want to call you an asshole either
so I take the high road.
There's a first time for everything.
;)
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Re: JCC Jr. will never get a break...
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
armin
Made to follow the same rules as everyone else, taking a dam drug test and having his gloves inspected would be a nice start, I have a feeling ya might just be trying to wind up some people tho.....
That's exactly what it is.
;)
And as you can see, the response has been a unanimous "slam dunk" of Junior into the Waste Basket of Cheaters.
Nothing much to add to what's already been said.
Gotta admit tho..... feels good not having to post what I've been saying all along:
He's nothing but a last name who has been coddled his entire career, and now even gets away with flagrant cheating and/or bending of the rules (same thing). Give him credit because he beat a slow, lumbering middleweight who he himself probably outweighed by 20+ pounds by the time of the fight? Absolutely not.
Yup and as you can see I agreed with most of what was stated in this thread. Dont need to wind anyone up on this thread everything on this forum is an opinion and nothing more, so your opinion doesnt count anymore than mine. But regardless of that I'll give you this one Tito.
I know deep down inside you love hating on Mexican fighters if I did my home work and read everyone of your posts I could repost some evidence but its not that important to me, But I'm on to you buddy
To make your case, you'd have to ignore the dozens of posts where I've talked about the virtues of fighters like JMM, MAB, and Finito. You wouldn't want to shoot down your theory before it got off the ground.
Oh.... and I'm not your buddy.
;)
No you're not but I dont want to call you an asshole either
so I take the high road.
There's a first time for everything.
;)
Dude you get a hard on for this shit dont you. You say I never say anything that brings value but at the same time you dont reply when I ask you a direct question about what you are talking about in a particular thread, if anyone disagrees then you start with the insults and its not just reserved for me but you have others that you do the same with.
I've asked you what you plan on doing or what idea you have to "fix" boxing but you dont have an answer for that. You dont sit on your hands and do nothing, you just use them to type up threads that are nothing more than bitching that is why I reply the way that I do to your threads.
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Re: JCC Jr. will never get a break...
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
armin
Made to follow the same rules as everyone else, taking a dam drug test and having his gloves inspected would be a nice start, I have a feeling ya might just be trying to wind up some people tho.....
That's exactly what it is.
;)
And as you can see, the response has been a unanimous "slam dunk" of Junior into the Waste Basket of Cheaters.
Nothing much to add to what's already been said.
Gotta admit tho..... feels good not having to post what I've been saying all along:
He's nothing but a last name who has been coddled his entire career, and now even gets away with flagrant cheating and/or bending of the rules (same thing). Give him credit because he beat a slow, lumbering middleweight who he himself probably outweighed by 20+ pounds by the time of the fight? Absolutely not.
Yup and as you can see I agreed with most of what was stated in this thread. Dont need to wind anyone up on this thread everything on this forum is an opinion and nothing more, so your opinion doesnt count anymore than mine. But regardless of that I'll give you this one Tito.
I know deep down inside you love hating on Mexican fighters if I did my home work and read everyone of your posts I could repost some evidence but its not that important to me, But I'm on to you buddy
To make your case, you'd have to ignore the dozens of posts where I've talked about the virtues of fighters like JMM, MAB, and Finito. You wouldn't want to shoot down your theory before it got off the ground.
Oh.... and I'm not your buddy.
;)
No you're not but I dont want to call you an asshole either
so I take the high road.
There's a first time for everything.
;)
Dude you get a hard on for this shit dont you. You say I never say anything that brings value but at the same time you dont reply when I ask you a direct question about what you are talking about in a particular thread, if anyone disagrees then you start with the insults and its not just reserved for me but you have others that you do the same with.
I've asked you what you plan on doing or what idea you have to "fix" boxing but you dont have an answer for that. You dont sit on your hands and do nothing, you just use them to type up threads that are nothing more than bitching that is why I reply the way that I do to your threads.
I now only respond to other, intelligent posters.
You..... I just dick with.
Don't take it personally.
:cool:
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Re: JCC Jr. will never get a break...
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
armin
Made to follow the same rules as everyone else, taking a dam drug test and having his gloves inspected would be a nice start, I have a feeling ya might just be trying to wind up some people tho.....
That's exactly what it is.
;)
And as you can see, the response has been a unanimous "slam dunk" of Junior into the Waste Basket of Cheaters.
Nothing much to add to what's already been said.
Gotta admit tho..... feels good not having to post what I've been saying all along:
He's nothing but a last name who has been coddled his entire career, and now even gets away with flagrant cheating and/or bending of the rules (same thing). Give him credit because he beat a slow, lumbering middleweight who he himself probably outweighed by 20+ pounds by the time of the fight? Absolutely not.
Yup and as you can see I agreed with most of what was stated in this thread. Dont need to wind anyone up on this thread everything on this forum is an opinion and nothing more, so your opinion doesnt count anymore than mine. But regardless of that I'll give you this one Tito.
I know deep down inside you love hating on Mexican fighters if I did my home work and read everyone of your posts I could repost some evidence but its not that important to me, But I'm on to you buddy
To make your case, you'd have to ignore the dozens of posts where I've talked about the virtues of fighters like JMM, MAB, and Finito. You wouldn't want to shoot down your theory before it got off the ground.
Oh.... and I'm not your buddy.
;)
No you're not but I dont want to call you an asshole either
so I take the high road.
There's a first time for everything.
;)
Dude you get a hard on for this shit dont you. You say I never say anything that brings value but at the same time you dont reply when I ask you a direct question about what you are talking about in a particular thread, if anyone disagrees then you start with the insults and its not just reserved for me but you have others that you do the same with.
I've asked you what you plan on doing or what idea you have to "fix" boxing but you dont have an answer for that. You dont sit on your hands and do nothing, you just use them to type up threads that are nothing more than bitching that is why I reply the way that I do to your threads.
I now only respond to other, intelligent posters.
You..... I just dick with.
Don't take it personally.
:cool:
Haha and still no reply, thank you for not including me in that type of intelligence.
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Re: JCC Jr. will never get a break...
Ok Onix..... you want to start today's daily episode? Here goes:
Let's talk about responding to questions and talking shit, shall we?
You claim I do nothing but hate on Mexican fighters.
I respond that in order to make your case you'd have to ignore my posts praising the likes of JMM, MAB, and Finito.
Your answer to that bit of information? Absolutely zilch.
And you accuse me of avoiding your dumbass questions? What a joke.
I've stopped answering your posts seriously, 'cause you're a schizophrenic, bipolar idiot. One minute you want to be "my buddy" and talking some sense (not too much, but some).... and the next you become this sarcastic, insulting little boy who gets his rocks off by saying idiotic comments.
Talk about someone being "on to" someone else..... I've been on to your bipolar games and personality for quite some time. Which is why I've just decided to dick with you. And why I'll reserve my serious conversations for the knowledgeable, mature, intelligent people on this forum.
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Re: JCC Jr. will never get a break...
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Ok Onix..... you want to start today's daily episode? Here goes:
Let's talk about responding to questions and talking shit, shall we?
You claim I do nothing but hate on Mexican fighters.
I respond that in order to make your case you'd have to ignore my posts praising the likes of JMM, MAB, and Finito.
Your answer to that bit of information? Absolutely zilch.
And you accuse me of avoiding your dumbass questions? What a joke.
I've stopped answering your posts seriously, 'cause you're a schizophrenic, bipolar idiot. One minute you want to be "my buddy" and talking some sense (not too much, but some).... and the next you become this sarcastic, insulting little boy who gets his rocks off by saying idiotic comments.
Talk about someone being "on to" someone else..... I've been on to your bipolar games and personality for quite some time. Which is why I've just decided to dick with you. And why I'll reserve my serious conversations for the knowledgeable, mature, intelligent people on this forum.
You said it yourself, I approach you with a serious question or comment but now youre over it and just act like an idiot why wouldnt I return the favor.
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Re: JCC Jr. will never get a break...
sooooooooooo how bout them cowboys......
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Re: JCC Jr. will never get a break...
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ElTerribleMorales
sooooooooooo how bout them cowboys......
LOL...... thanks bro.
But I'm a Steeler fan myself.
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Re: JCC Jr. will never get a break...
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Ok Onix..... you want to start today's daily episode? Here goes:
Let's talk about responding to questions and talking shit, shall we?
You claim I do nothing but hate on Mexican fighters.
I respond that in order to make your case you'd have to ignore my posts praising the likes of JMM, MAB, and Finito.
Your answer to that bit of information? Absolutely zilch.
And you accuse me of avoiding your dumbass questions? What a joke.
I've stopped answering your posts seriously, 'cause you're a schizophrenic, bipolar idiot. One minute you want to be "my buddy" and talking some sense (not too much, but some).... and the next you become this sarcastic, insulting little boy who gets his rocks off by saying idiotic comments.
Talk about someone being "on to" someone else..... I've been on to your bipolar games and personality for quite some time. Which is why I've just decided to dick with you. And why I'll reserve my serious conversations for the knowledgeable, mature, intelligent people on this forum.
You said it yourself, I approach you with a serious question or comment but now youre over it and just act like an idiot why wouldnt I return the favor.
Well..... it's been fun, but I'm gonna do something a bit more fun now, like watch the Heat and the Thunder.
You, on the other hand, probably need to turn in soon..... need to get up early for summer camp tomorrow.
Let's do it again sometime.
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Re: JCC Jr. will never get a break...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Ok Onix..... you want to start today's daily episode? Here goes:
Let's talk about responding to questions and talking shit, shall we?
You claim I do nothing but hate on Mexican fighters.
I respond that in order to make your case you'd have to ignore my posts praising the likes of JMM, MAB, and Finito.
Your answer to that bit of information? Absolutely zilch.
And you accuse me of avoiding your dumbass questions? What a joke.
I've stopped answering your posts seriously, 'cause you're a schizophrenic, bipolar idiot. One minute you want to be "my buddy" and talking some sense (not too much, but some).... and the next you become this sarcastic, insulting little boy who gets his rocks off by saying idiotic comments.
Talk about someone being "on to" someone else..... I've been on to your bipolar games and personality for quite some time. Which is why I've just decided to dick with you. And why I'll reserve my serious conversations for the knowledgeable, mature, intelligent people on this forum.
cheatofan is a bully... don't fall for his stupidity.
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Re: JCC Jr. will never get a break...
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Originally Posted by
ruthless rocco
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Ok Onix..... you want to start today's daily episode? Here goes:
Let's talk about responding to questions and talking shit, shall we?
You claim I do nothing but hate on Mexican fighters.
I respond that in order to make your case you'd have to ignore my posts praising the likes of JMM, MAB, and Finito.
Your answer to that bit of information? Absolutely zilch.
And you accuse me of avoiding your dumbass questions? What a joke.
I've stopped answering your posts seriously, 'cause you're a schizophrenic, bipolar idiot. One minute you want to be "my buddy" and talking some sense (not too much, but some).... and the next you become this sarcastic, insulting little boy who gets his rocks off by saying idiotic comments.
Talk about someone being "on to" someone else..... I've been on to your bipolar games and personality for quite some time. Which is why I've just decided to dick with you. And why I'll reserve my serious conversations for the knowledgeable, mature, intelligent people on this forum.
cheatofan is a bully... don't fall for his stupidity.
And you're as predictable as you are moronic.
One of the more idiotic posters on the forum.
Crawl back from the hole you came from, loser.
