JCC Jr. will never get a break...

[Onix]

A break from what?

Not only is he 20 plus pounds heavier then his opponents on fight night but he can also bring his own gloves, refuse to have them checked and bail out of piss tests. If the fight with Martinez is really done and not just reported as such then he will also get away with circumventing the WBC's newest rule scheduled to be in effect by June 30.

How about his opponents catching a break?

He doesnt stop any of his opponents from weighing in at whatever they want/can weigh in at. Again as long as he gets to 160 on the weigh in why does he get ragged on for something that is available to everyone.

Again as far as the piss tests and gloves go, I agree he shouldnt be getting away with it. But the piss test is the 2nd time and the gloves was the first time, before that he still got shit because he was "protected" and he was. But now he steps it up and again no credit is given when at least some credit is due for the performance he put on.

THe more popular fighters will always dictate how the fight is going to be handled, where it will be, etc. If the other fighter agrees to everything presented then its on them to be able to close the deal on fight night.

[DavilaJones]

I would propsose to you to review his fight vs Molina and judge who won that fight. Then ask yourself if Molina's dad was a legend in a country and Chavez was a nobody would the fight still be scored a draw? If not then who should have been the winner?

That aside I do believe he has skill and he is a good prosect. A top 15 prospect for sure. I think Dmytry Pirog or Daniel Geale can both have their way with him due to his tendency to lean forward and be flat footed. He does have pop and he throws the nicest left hook in the middleweigh division. Would that be enough for him to be heralded as a champ? No.

He does come to fight and he has heart for that I applaude him.

[IamInuit]

A break from what?

Not only is he 20 plus pounds heavier then his opponents on fight night but he can also bring his own gloves, refuse to have them checked and bail out of piss tests. If the fight with Martinez is really done and not just reported as such then he will also get away with circumventing the WBC's newest rule scheduled to be in effect by June 30.

How about his opponents catching a break?

He doesnt stop any of his opponents from weighing in at whatever they want/can weigh in at. Again as long as he gets to 160 on the weigh in why does he get ragged on for something that is available to everyone.

Again as far as the piss tests and gloves go, I agree he shouldnt be getting away with it. But the piss test is the 2nd time and the gloves was the first time, before that he still got shit because he was "protected" and he was. But now he steps it up and again no credit is given when at least some credit is due for the performance he put on.

THe more popular fighters will always dictate how the fight is going to be handled, where it will be, etc. If the other fighter agrees to everything presented then its on them to be able to close the deal on fight night.

Because there are 17 divisions not 8. I'm no Hop fan but he actually weighed under 160 on the night of some of his fights. If he's going to take advantage of weight disparity then do the drug test. Anybody can get under using diuretics and then claim to have no water in the bag to fill the paper cup. Again your argument is a slippery slope because to give him credit for Saturday's fight is to ignore all the facts that assisted him. Yeah twice for the piss test because he already tested positive once and if it happens again he's in shit so in order to not let it happen again he cant manage to take a piss. Only once on the glove thing? Same with Louis Resto and he did two and a half years in prison.
No champion in modern day history has ever been able to bring his own gloves to a championship fight and refuse to have them inspected. That fact alone tarnishes the fight and also becomes an asterisk in a historians note book. Talk about thee appearance of impropriety. They should use that single act as a definition in the dictionary.

[Onix]

A break from what?

Not only is he 20 plus pounds heavier then his opponents on fight night but he can also bring his own gloves, refuse to have them checked and bail out of piss tests. If the fight with Martinez is really done and not just reported as such then he will also get away with circumventing the WBC's newest rule scheduled to be in effect by June 30.

How about his opponents catching a break?

He doesnt stop any of his opponents from weighing in at whatever they want/can weigh in at. Again as long as he gets to 160 on the weigh in why does he get ragged on for something that is available to everyone.

Again as far as the piss tests and gloves go, I agree he shouldnt be getting away with it. But the piss test is the 2nd time and the gloves was the first time, before that he still got shit because he was "protected" and he was. But now he steps it up and again no credit is given when at least some credit is due for the performance he put on.

THe more popular fighters will always dictate how the fight is going to be handled, where it will be, etc. If the other fighter agrees to everything presented then its on them to be able to close the deal on fight night.

Because there are 17 divisions not 8. I'm no Hop fan but he actually weighed under 160 on the night of some of his fights. If he's going to take advantage of weight disparity then do the drug test. Anybody can get under using diuretics and then claim to have no water in the bag to fill the paper cup. Again your argument is a slippery slope because to give him credit for Saturday's fight is to ignore all the facts that assisted him. Yeah twice for the piss test because he already tested positive once and if it happens again he's in shit so in order to not let it happen again he cant manage to take a piss. Only once on the glove thing? Same with Louis Resto and he did two and a half years in prison.
No champion in modern day history has ever been able to bring his own gloves to a championship fight and refuse to have them inspected. That fact alone tarnishes the fight and also becomes an asterisk in a historians note book. Talk about thee appearance of impropriety. They should use that single act as a definition in the dictionary.

I agree with all of your points. My point in the thread is not give him credit for all of his outside the ring antics but to give him credit for the performance he gave. He showed a very strong chin, he started slowly but then really poured it on as the fight progressed, and he goaded Lee into fighting his fight.

Even in my response though I see where the things that he is being fishy about would help him to have fought that type of fight and give him those advantages. Perhaps the guys deserves the criticism.

[captainanddew]

A break from what?

Not only is he 20 plus pounds heavier then his opponents on fight night but he can also bring his own gloves, refuse to have them checked and bail out of piss tests. If the fight with Martinez is really done and not just reported as such then he will also get away with circumventing the WBC's newest rule scheduled to be in effect by June 30.

How about his opponents catching a break?

He doesnt stop any of his opponents from weighing in at whatever they want/can weigh in at. Again as long as he gets to 160 on the weigh in why does he get ragged on for something that is available to everyone.

Again as far as the piss tests and gloves go, I agree he shouldnt be getting away with it. But the piss test is the 2nd time and the gloves was the first time, before that he still got shit because he was "protected" and he was. But now he steps it up and again no credit is given when at least some credit is due for the performance he put on.

THe more popular fighters will always dictate how the fight is going to be handled, where it will be, etc. If the other fighter agrees to everything presented then its on them to be able to close the deal on fight night.

Because there are 17 divisions not 8. I'm no Hop fan but he actually weighed under 160 on the night of some of his fights. If he's going to take advantage of weight disparity then do the drug test. Anybody can get under using diuretics and then claim to have no water in the bag to fill the paper cup. Again your argument is a slippery slope because to give him credit for Saturday's fight is to ignore all the facts that assisted him. Yeah twice for the piss test because he already tested positive once and if it happens again he's in shit so in order to not let it happen again he cant manage to take a piss. Only once on the glove thing? Same with Louis Resto and he did two and a half years in prison.
No champion in modern day history has ever been able to bring his own gloves to a championship fight and refuse to have them inspected. That fact alone tarnishes the fight and also becomes an asterisk in a historians note book. Talk about thee appearance of impropriety. They should use that single act as a definition in the dictionary.

I agree with all of your points. My point in the thread is not give him credit for all of his outside the ring antics but to give him credit for the performance he gave. He showed a very strong chin, he started slowly but then really poured it on as the fight progressed, and he goaded Lee into fighting his fight.

Even in my response though I see where the things that he is being fishy about would help him to have fought that type of fight and give him those advantages. Perhaps the guys deserves the criticism.

my opinion of chavez jr in the ring has gone up. He has a damn good chin. He goes to the body the way many more fighters need to.

I do not like the questionable behavior. He got caught cheating. And yet there are issues with him giving urine samples when requested. And it seems to be every time.

After you are caught (and you are a high profile fighter) there needs to be the type of testing pre and post fight that we see with guys like Floyd/Cotto, berto/ortiz, etc....

[Onix]

A break from what?

Not only is he 20 plus pounds heavier then his opponents on fight night but he can also bring his own gloves, refuse to have them checked and bail out of piss tests. If the fight with Martinez is really done and not just reported as such then he will also get away with circumventing the WBC's newest rule scheduled to be in effect by June 30.

How about his opponents catching a break?

He doesnt stop any of his opponents from weighing in at whatever they want/can weigh in at. Again as long as he gets to 160 on the weigh in why does he get ragged on for something that is available to everyone.

Again as far as the piss tests and gloves go, I agree he shouldnt be getting away with it. But the piss test is the 2nd time and the gloves was the first time, before that he still got shit because he was "protected" and he was. But now he steps it up and again no credit is given when at least some credit is due for the performance he put on.

THe more popular fighters will always dictate how the fight is going to be handled, where it will be, etc. If the other fighter agrees to everything presented then its on them to be able to close the deal on fight night.

Because there are 17 divisions not 8. I'm no Hop fan but he actually weighed under 160 on the night of some of his fights. If he's going to take advantage of weight disparity then do the drug test. Anybody can get under using diuretics and then claim to have no water in the bag to fill the paper cup. Again your argument is a slippery slope because to give him credit for Saturday's fight is to ignore all the facts that assisted him. Yeah twice for the piss test because he already tested positive once and if it happens again he's in shit so in order to not let it happen again he cant manage to take a piss. Only once on the glove thing? Same with Louis Resto and he did two and a half years in prison.
No champion in modern day history has ever been able to bring his own gloves to a championship fight and refuse to have them inspected. That fact alone tarnishes the fight and also becomes an asterisk in a historians note book. Talk about thee appearance of impropriety. They should use that single act as a definition in the dictionary.

I agree with all of your points. My point in the thread is not give him credit for all of his outside the ring antics but to give him credit for the performance he gave. He showed a very strong chin, he started slowly but then really poured it on as the fight progressed, and he goaded Lee into fighting his fight.

Even in my response though I see where the things that he is being fishy about would help him to have fought that type of fight and give him those advantages. Perhaps the guys deserves the criticism.

my opinion of chavez jr in the ring has gone up. He has a damn good chin. He goes to the body the way many more fighters need to.

I do not like the questionable behavior. He got caught cheating. And yet there are issues with him giving urine samples when requested. And it seems to be every time.

After you are caught (and you are a high profile fighter) there needs to be the type of testing pre and post fight that we see with guys like Floyd/Cotto, berto/ortiz, etc....

Couldnt have said it better.