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Just putting something together about Carl Froch and watching over the Super Six tapes and docs. I mean, Andre Ward is a seriously smug, dry, never a smile, answer for everything, sounding like he reads from scripts mofo man. Are there many other fighters out there if any that are as smug, not boasting, just smug, than he is?
Just an opinion. I really begun to dislike him after watching so much tape of the guy. Anyone else?
Shoot.
David Haye, end of discussion
He should be little smug, did I read spoiler out there yesterday? Andre has spoiled, ruined, stomped on, upset, disregarded and disrespected a bunch of people's plan's over last couple of years. He did what he said he was going to do, and with as little trash talk as possible. Andre is one of the good guys, you remember them, the ones who let their fists do the talking. He speaks softly and carries a big stick. Andre is that person everybody is always talking about, THE MAN! Go ahead, Mr Ward, be as smug as you want to be!
Yeah, say what you will about Andre Ward, but he's gotten in the ring with everyone and kept on winning. Haye just talks endless amounts of shit while fighting nobodies and complaining when he loses. What has Haye ever achieved as a heavyweight? He won the easiest belt there was to win and then didn't do hardly anything to try to keep that title....Bush league man....Bush League
Gotta say, he bores me stiff. Dull personality, monotone, no smile or humour and zero fan appeal. I'd certainly question whether EVERYONE talks about him otherwise he'd be a big ticket seller for Vegas. He isn't and won't be unless sometime he is hit by lighting to give him a jolt. Might do a poll on here after the Ward Dawson fight to see how many people had a near death experience through boredom at watching the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
Haye, Froch, Green, Khan, Chavez Jr, Broner, and Rios all fit the bill
He has earned the right to be smug (Ward)
You know, your right, but, as is, he'll never really earn adulation from boxing fans world wide IMO. In such a fan friendly sport, the way fighters need to connect with fans, he just doesn't seem to do it for me at all....Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiccy2112
It will just have to be a long-term thing. As has been said countless times, the closest model is Hopkins. He got his adulation in his 40s. (He had his accolades before, for sure, from the Trinidad/ODLH fights, etc., but it was begrudging because of his fan-unfriendly style -- much like Ward.)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMacMagicianYou know, your right, but, as is, he'll never really earn adulation from boxing fans world wide IMO. In such a fan friendly sport, the way fighters need to connect with fans, he just doesn't seem to do it for me at all....Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiccy2112
What is Bush league?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
bush leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzWhat is Bush league?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Noun:
A minor league of a professional sport, esp. baseball.
Adjective:
Not of the highest quality or sophistication; second-rate.
Bush league: someone doing the
wrong thing at the wrong time.
Merriam-Webster: minor league
Wards a smart fighter.... boring but smart. He uses a jab then fights inside and softens guys up... hits on the break, uses his head, tries to spin people and used his distance to take leverage off his opponents punches. Hes making a career off those those tactics. Many of those things are the secrets to Hopkins logenvity, as someone else has said. Andre ward 2.0 is more a lean towards hopkins. Version 1 was his an impersonation of roy jones. He got clipped a few times doing that decided to tone it down. I'm not much of a fan ...as i would guess many people aren't outside of Oakland.
Imagine a round table with these guys and ward, how do you think it would end up?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Mayweather, not so smug now he's in a cell. But he was king of smugness.
Wlad Klitchsko, very smug.
Khan, prince of smug.
The top two have every right to be, but still.
In fact, 95% of the fighters I think of are smug gits.
Prince Naseem
Anyone that speaks about themself in the 3rd person.......Roy Jones Jr., I'm looking in your direction
I don't mind smug from a guy same as cocky just as long as they go the full field with it, walk the walk I guess. Wards a good talent and I don't mind the guile and craftiness but it's more his delivery and tone. Hollier than thou or like his shit don't stink. Reminds me of a Byrd or Angel manfredy a bit. Maybe it's the religious aspect? Bradley is a bit smug.
Cocky is healthy in the ring in moderation. It's what I like about a Froch. Kind of fights like he talks. All comers. Then you have guys like a Broner who frankly haven't done a thing longterm and act like they have already arrived on the mount. It's empty. Rios is one of the biggest blow hards and even worse may be that stupid laugh. Yeh he fights like he talks but his lack of pro focus gets him a pass to jackassville.
probably with a wad of C4 strapped under the table to rid the world of their smuggness lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DropanukeImagine a round table with these guys and ward, how do you think it would end up?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I'm not a big Ward fan, but he has proven to be that damn good.
He went 115-5 as an amateur. Started as an amateur in 1994. Didn't lose a fight after 1996. So went undefeated after his first 2 formative years as an amateur.
Won a Gold Medal.
Beat Kessler, Green, Bika, Abraham, and Froch in his last 5 fights and won easily in all fights.
Is he exciting? No. Is he a very smart and damn good fighter? yes.
he beat Kessler by being out of range, using his quicker feet to get into range and getting out before taking return fire.
He absolutely mugged Green. He mauled the motherfucker. When he got Green to the ropes, he would use his left shoulder and arm and angle it in a way that Green couldn't really throw while Ward could throw the right hand. And it wasn't holding and hitting. He just positioned his body in a way that limited Green, but allowed him to be effective.
grinded out the win vs the always tough Bika.
outboxed Abraham.
beat Froch clearly.
If he beats Dawson he will then have beaten the Ring champ from 175 as well (not that I'm a huge Dawson fan).
Wilfred Benitez pre fight staredown = the epitome of smugness