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What a guy !
I'm probably going to weep watching that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Love Ali
But what a waste of money
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Muhammad Ali To Lead Parade at The Olympics Opening - Boxing News
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Muhammad Ali To Lead Parade at The Olympics Opening - Boxing News
I think it's time for some of the people who still show animosity towards Ali to give it a rest. The man has tried his best to make amends over the years for the indiscretions of his youth. He's sick, frail, and likely doesn't have much longer to live, leading the Parade at The Olympics in London could be his way of saying goodby to all of us.
People always forget the times he grew up in and how he was treated..The man is probably the greatest sportsman to have ever lived for the way he transcended sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axIt's all good bro, I didn't know if you knew..Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonIm on the iPhone, sorry about that.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Muhammad Ali To Lead Parade at The Olympics Opening - Boxing News
I think it's time for some of the people who still show animosity towards Ali to give it a rest. The man has tried his best to make amends over the years for the indiscretions of his youth. He's sick, frail, and likely doesn't have much longer to live, leading the Parade at The Olympics in London could be his way of saying goodby to all of us.
I do think this will be a sad day though. The last time he made a public appearance at an event was a baseball game and it was quite heartbreaking to see the state he was in. Do a google search for "Ali baseball game" and you should see the video.
Poor cassius making all those millions, travelling the world and wailing about white devils...Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzPeople always forget the times he grew up in and how he was treated..The man is probably the greatest sportsman to have ever lived for the way he transcended sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axIt's all good bro, I didn't know if you knew..Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonIm on the iPhone, sorry about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axHere's the correct way to post that link:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Muhammad Ali To Lead Parade at The Olympics Opening - Boxing News
I think it's time for some of the people who still show animosity towards Ali to give it a rest. The man has tried his best to make amends over the years for the indiscretions of his youth. He's sick, frail, and likely doesn't have much longer to live, leading the Parade at The Olympics in London could be his way of saying goodby to all of us.
I do think this will be a sad day though. The last time he made a public appearance at an event was a baseball game and it was quite heartbreaking to see the state he was in. Do a google search for "Ali baseball game" and you should see the video.
I think a woman working 3 jobs to support her family and save their home is more of a Super Star than a sports figure.
This is good. I remember watching he and Holyfield open the 96' games and that was quality. People who dog him need to get the fook on with living. If we are all held in judgment for the self righteousness and boisterous stubbornness of our youth when we are elderly and frail counting down our days decades later...let the line form to the right!
Whenever the subject of Ali comes up, I always think of Joe Frazier.... and of how sad it is that Joe never found it in his heart to finally forgive Ali for all the insults back in the 70's. Maybe I'm wrong... but Joe seemed to find some satisfaction in Ali's condition and probably hinted at how he (Frazier) had at least partially caused that. How sad it must be to go to your grave still holding a mega-grudge like that.
I can understand why Frazier might have hated Ali and held a grudge, but i'm pretty sure Joe had all but forgiven Ali in his final years. That's just my take, forgave, but didn't forget.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Firstly, relax yourself and understand that you're thinking with your 2012 head on. Imagine being called a N***er regularly, your parents not being given the same opportunities as others and looked at as second class citizens as well as not being able to get a seat at restaurant even when you've won a gold medal? Shit, I'd be bitter and call my families oppressors "devils" too.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERPoor cassius making all those millions, travelling the world and wailing about white devils...Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzPeople always forget the times he grew up in and how he was treated..The man is probably the greatest sportsman to have ever lived for the way he transcended sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axIt's all good bro, I didn't know if you knew..Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonIm on the iPhone, sorry about that.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Muhammad Ali To Lead Parade at The Olympics Opening - Boxing News
I think it's time for some of the people who still show animosity towards Ali to give it a rest. The man has tried his best to make amends over the years for the indiscretions of his youth. He's sick, frail, and likely doesn't have much longer to live, leading the Parade at The Olympics in London could be his way of saying goodby to all of us.
I do think this will be a sad day though. The last time he made a public appearance at an event was a baseball game and it was quite heartbreaking to see the state he was in. Do a google search for "Ali baseball game" and you should see the video.
I think a woman working 3 jobs to support her family and save their home is more of a Super Star than a sports figure.
I have no idea what your second sentences relevance was to what I said? I stated, "The man is probably the greatest sportsman to have ever lived for the way he transcended sports."
I feel that's a fair statement. Where does a woman working 3 jobs come into this? :-\ In context of what I said, are you then saying this woman is a bigger sports star than Ali? You make no sense..again, relax, breathe deep and think about it.
There is no doubt in my mind that he was a great, great man though. Refusing to go to war in Vietnam makes him a war hero to me. He was right all along and the atrocities commited in that war are still plain to see today in Vietnam. A real war hero refuses to partake in the act in my book.
He is a polarizing figure, no doubt. Everyone has their own wildly varying opinion of him.
It wasn't a grudge based on some perceived injustice, it was a result of Ali's classless behaviour. For a relatively cosseted Black man from a middle class neighbourhood to call a another Black guy who came from real poverty a Gorilla and Uncle Tom shows a remarkable lack of empathy. Joe's kids coming home in tears because everyone at school had called their Daddy a Gorilla really brings home that callousness. Years later and you are patronizingly pitying Joe for not forgiving Ali.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
The N word is a rife on the vast majority of mainstream music CD's eminating from the united states!
My parents were not given any opportunities, they worked hard and forced open doors that were slamed in there faces! They now run there own successful business yet both grew up on council estates! Try being working class in england and then tell me you dont have to struggle to really make it!
Lets not pretend that ali was some unjustly treated slave, he was raised happily and healthily in a quaint town and nurtured by numerous white men like i.e angelo dundee and the community police officer that introduced him to boxing was black! Hardly an ill treated child lacking black role models was he?
I don't mean to be mean spirited but i don't buy the mass media hyperbole that surrounds ali, he's far from the greatest sportsman ever, he's not even the greatest sportsman in his sport or his division! Most ppl, don't even know who boxers charley burley, teofilio stevenson, laszlo papp or harry greb even are! Most 'famous' sportsman ever yes but certainly not the greatest in the sense that i measure them by. I wish him well though and he is a legend no doubt.
Ali has prematurely aged, he's frail, his body has been ravaged by pugilistic dementia and he probably doesn't have long to live.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzFirstly, relax yourself and understand that you're thinking with your 2012 head on. Imagine being called a N***er regularly, your parents not being given the same opportunities as others and looked at as second class citizens as well as not being able to get a seat at restaurant even when you've won a gold medal? Shit, I'd be bitter and call my families oppressors "devils" too.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERPoor cassius making all those millions, travelling the world and wailing about white devils...Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzPeople always forget the times he grew up in and how he was treated..The man is probably the greatest sportsman to have ever lived for the way he transcended sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axIt's all good bro, I didn't know if you knew..Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonIm on the iPhone, sorry about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axHere's the correct way to post that link:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Muhammad Ali To Lead Parade at The Olympics Opening - Boxing News
I think it's time for some of the people who still show animosity towards Ali to give it a rest. The man has tried his best to make amends over the years for the indiscretions of his youth. He's sick, frail, and likely doesn't have much longer to live, leading the Parade at The Olympics in London could be his way of saying goodby to all of us.
I do think this will be a sad day though. The last time he made a public appearance at an event was a baseball game and it was quite heartbreaking to see the state he was in. Do a google search for "Ali baseball game" and you should see the video.
I think a woman working 3 jobs to support her family and save their home is more of a Super Star than a sports figure.
I have no idea what your second sentences relevance was to what I said? I stated, "The man is probably the greatest sportsman to have ever lived for the way he transcended sports."
I feel that's a fair statement. Where does a woman working 3 jobs come into this? :-\ In context of what I said, are you then saying this woman is a bigger sports star than Ali? You make no sense..again, relax, breathe deep and think about it.
There is no doubt in my mind that he was a great, great man though. Refusing to go to war in Vietnam makes him a war hero to me. He was right all along and the atrocities commited in that war are still plain to see today in Vietnam. A real war hero refuses to partake in the act in my book.
He is a polarizing figure, no doubt. Everyone has their own wildly varying opinion of him.
Love him or hate him, Ali is a hero/icon to many all over the world, and the great old champion deserves respect at this stage of his life.
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Originally Posted by GreenbeanzIt wasn't a grudge based on some perceived injustice, it was a result of Ali's classless behaviour. For a relatively cosseted Black man from a middle class neighbourhood to call a another Black guy who came from real poverty a Gorilla and Uncle Tom shows a remarkable lack of empathy. Joe's kids coming home in tears because everyone at school had called their Daddy a Gorilla really brings home that callousness. Years later and you are patronizingly pitying Joe for not forgiving Ali.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Yeah.... pretty much like you will never get past the fact that I don't share your view that Joe Calzaghe walked on water. You've put a bullseye on my back ever since.
Get over it.
But to answer your ignorant response... I'm not passing judgement over whether Joe's bitterness was warranted or not. I'm merely stating a fact that holding a grudge till the day you die is something that has to eat you up inside. Forgiving.... truly forgiving.... is quite liberating. For instance, I've already forgiven you for being quite the twat.
;D
? And exactly how is my reply ignorant. Not only am I not a huge Calzaghe fan, I really do not have a bullseye in your back. Your own reply betrays a childishness that hopefully you will one day grow out of. I am neither advocating bearing grudges nor hating on Ali. I would no more judge Ali's arrogance than try and guess what lay in Joe Fraziers heart, and boy did he have a big heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzIt wasn't a grudge based on some perceived injustice, it was a result of Ali's classless behaviour. For a relatively cosseted Black man from a middle class neighbourhood to call a another Black guy who came from real poverty a Gorilla and Uncle Tom shows a remarkable lack of empathy. Joe's kids coming home in tears because everyone at school had called their Daddy a Gorilla really brings home that callousness. Years later and you are patronizingly pitying Joe for not forgiving Ali.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Yeah.... pretty much like you will never get past the fact that I don't share your view that Joe Calzaghe walked on water. You've put a bullseye on my back ever since.
Get over it.
But to answer your ignorant response... I'm not passing judgement over whether Joe's bitterness was warranted or not. I'm merely stating a fact that holding a grudge till the day you die is something that has to eat you up inside. Forgiving.... truly forgiving.... is quite liberating. For instance, I've already forgiven you for being quite the twat.
;D
Me too, but this is the opening of a sporting event so better its Ali than the single mum.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERPoor cassius making all those millions, travelling the world and wailing about white devils...Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzPeople always forget the times he grew up in and how he was treated..The man is probably the greatest sportsman to have ever lived for the way he transcended sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axIt's all good bro, I didn't know if you knew..Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonIm on the iPhone, sorry about that.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Muhammad Ali To Lead Parade at The Olympics Opening - Boxing News
I think it's time for some of the people who still show animosity towards Ali to give it a rest. The man has tried his best to make amends over the years for the indiscretions of his youth. He's sick, frail, and likely doesn't have much longer to live, leading the Parade at The Olympics in London could be his way of saying goodby to all of us.
I do think this will be a sad day though. The last time he made a public appearance at an event was a baseball game and it was quite heartbreaking to see the state he was in. Do a google search for "Ali baseball game" and you should see the video.
I think a woman working 3 jobs to support her family and save their home is more of a Super Star than a sports figure.
He does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axAli has prematurely aged, he's frail, his body has been ravaged by pugilistic dementia and he probably doesn't have long to live.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzFirstly, relax yourself and understand that you're thinking with your 2012 head on. Imagine being called a N***er regularly, your parents not being given the same opportunities as others and looked at as second class citizens as well as not being able to get a seat at restaurant even when you've won a gold medal? Shit, I'd be bitter and call my families oppressors "devils" too.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERPoor cassius making all those millions, travelling the world and wailing about white devils...Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzPeople always forget the times he grew up in and how he was treated..The man is probably the greatest sportsman to have ever lived for the way he transcended sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axIt's all good bro, I didn't know if you knew..Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonIm on the iPhone, sorry about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axHere's the correct way to post that link:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Muhammad Ali To Lead Parade at The Olympics Opening - Boxing News
I think it's time for some of the people who still show animosity towards Ali to give it a rest. The man has tried his best to make amends over the years for the indiscretions of his youth. He's sick, frail, and likely doesn't have much longer to live, leading the Parade at The Olympics in London could be his way of saying goodby to all of us.
I do think this will be a sad day though. The last time he made a public appearance at an event was a baseball game and it was quite heartbreaking to see the state he was in. Do a google search for "Ali baseball game" and you should see the video.
I think a woman working 3 jobs to support her family and save their home is more of a Super Star than a sports figure.
I have no idea what your second sentences relevance was to what I said? I stated, "The man is probably the greatest sportsman to have ever lived for the way he transcended sports."
I feel that's a fair statement. Where does a woman working 3 jobs come into this? :-\ In context of what I said, are you then saying this woman is a bigger sports star than Ali? You make no sense..again, relax, breathe deep and think about it.
There is no doubt in my mind that he was a great, great man though. Refusing to go to war in Vietnam makes him a war hero to me. He was right all along and the atrocities commited in that war are still plain to see today in Vietnam. A real war hero refuses to partake in the act in my book.
He is a polarizing figure, no doubt. Everyone has their own wildly varying opinion of him.
Love him or hate him, Ali is a hero/icon to many all over the world, and the great old champion deserves respect at this stage of his life.
Unfortunately many of the uneducated onlookers will say "look at what all those shots to the head have done."
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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz? And exactly how is my reply ignorant. Not only am I not a huge Calzaghe fan, I really do not have a bullseye in your back. Your own reply betrays a childishness that hopefully you will one day grow out of. I am neither advocating bearing grudges nor hating on Ali. I would no more judge Ali's arrogance than try and guess what lay in Joe Fraziers heart, and boy did he have a big heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzIt wasn't a grudge based on some perceived injustice, it was a result of Ali's classless behaviour. For a relatively cosseted Black man from a middle class neighbourhood to call a another Black guy who came from real poverty a Gorilla and Uncle Tom shows a remarkable lack of empathy. Joe's kids coming home in tears because everyone at school had called their Daddy a Gorilla really brings home that callousness. Years later and you are patronizingly pitying Joe for not forgiving Ali.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Yeah.... pretty much like you will never get past the fact that I don't share your view that Joe Calzaghe walked on water. You've put a bullseye on my back ever since.
Get over it.
But to answer your ignorant response... I'm not passing judgement over whether Joe's bitterness was warranted or not. I'm merely stating a fact that holding a grudge till the day you die is something that has to eat you up inside. Forgiving.... truly forgiving.... is quite liberating. For instance, I've already forgiven you for being quite the twat.
;D
Accusing me of "patronizingly pitying Joe" sounds pretty ignorant to me, where I was doing nothing of the sort. I clearly explained how I was not passing judgement on either man... just commenting on how holding grudges till you die cannot be good for your physical or spiritual health.
Now fuck off.
That's exactly what I am. So, nobody working class can have that opinion of Ali? I was raised by a single mum my most of my youth and all of my teen years working two jobs..I don't know why you keep bringing up B.S like "they're the real stars!" - Of course they are, but we're talking about sport!!Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
The reason why Ali was great is because most sports stars are puppets to the media. Talking from a script. Ali did so much to expose racism and refuse to go to war when it was never beneficial for him to do so. That is what defines him. Who else has had that much impact??
You have a voice and what you choose to do with it is up to you..especially in a time when it was unpopular to do so. He wasn't always right by any stretch of the imagination but you knew he was genuine. It helps that he was a handy boxer too. Maybe not the "greatest" in that sense..but he's up there. You still haven't shown my initial statement about him to be wrong..
And don't talk to me about buying into media hyperbole! If I bought into media hyperbole I'd be doing that whole nonsense, "support our troops!" or "help the heroes!" - I don't support any troops nor think they are heroes. That always goes over well..
Didn't you see the sign outside...? it saysQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz? And exactly how is my reply ignorant. Not only am I not a huge Calzaghe fan, I really do not have a bullseye in your back. Your own reply betrays a childishness that hopefully you will one day grow out of. I am neither advocating bearing grudges nor hating on Ali. I would no more judge Ali's arrogance than try and guess what lay in Joe Fraziers heart, and boy did he have a big heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzIt wasn't a grudge based on some perceived injustice, it was a result of Ali's classless behaviour. For a relatively cosseted Black man from a middle class neighbourhood to call a another Black guy who came from real poverty a Gorilla and Uncle Tom shows a remarkable lack of empathy. Joe's kids coming home in tears because everyone at school had called their Daddy a Gorilla really brings home that callousness. Years later and you are patronizingly pitying Joe for not forgiving Ali.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Yeah.... pretty much like you will never get past the fact that I don't share your view that Joe Calzaghe walked on water. You've put a bullseye on my back ever since.
Get over it.
But to answer your ignorant response... I'm not passing judgement over whether Joe's bitterness was warranted or not. I'm merely stating a fact that holding a grudge till the day you die is something that has to eat you up inside. Forgiving.... truly forgiving.... is quite liberating. For instance, I've already forgiven you for being quite the twat.
;D
Accusing me of "patronizingly pitying Joe" sounds pretty ignorant to me, where I was doing nothing of the sort. I clearly explained how I was not passing judgement on either man... just commenting on how holding grudges till you die cannot be good for your physical or spiritual health.
Now fuck off.
"Don't Feed the Troll"
Ali was a loudmouthed shit talking punk that did his best to make a dignified activity into pro wrestling. the Universe struck him back and silenced him, thank the heavens. Why people continue to make him into something he never was, and never intended to be, is beyond me. He was, at best, an everyday regular man that got put onto a pedestal he never aspired to (he wasn't that much of a man...bring it on...)and the most overrated fighter of all time.
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Originally Posted by AlthugzDidn't you see the sign outside...? it saysQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz? And exactly how is my reply ignorant. Not only am I not a huge Calzaghe fan, I really do not have a bullseye in your back. Your own reply betrays a childishness that hopefully you will one day grow out of. I am neither advocating bearing grudges nor hating on Ali. I would no more judge Ali's arrogance than try and guess what lay in Joe Fraziers heart, and boy did he have a big heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzIt wasn't a grudge based on some perceived injustice, it was a result of Ali's classless behaviour. For a relatively cosseted Black man from a middle class neighbourhood to call a another Black guy who came from real poverty a Gorilla and Uncle Tom shows a remarkable lack of empathy. Joe's kids coming home in tears because everyone at school had called their Daddy a Gorilla really brings home that callousness. Years later and you are patronizingly pitying Joe for not forgiving Ali.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Yeah.... pretty much like you will never get past the fact that I don't share your view that Joe Calzaghe walked on water. You've put a bullseye on my back ever since.
Get over it.
But to answer your ignorant response... I'm not passing judgement over whether Joe's bitterness was warranted or not. I'm merely stating a fact that holding a grudge till the day you die is something that has to eat you up inside. Forgiving.... truly forgiving.... is quite liberating. For instance, I've already forgiven you for being quite the twat.
;D
Accusing me of "patronizingly pitying Joe" sounds pretty ignorant to me, where I was doing nothing of the sort. I clearly explained how I was not passing judgement on either man... just commenting on how holding grudges till you die cannot be good for your physical or spiritual health.
Now fuck off.
"Don't Feed the Troll"
Beanz is just sore ever since I told him Calzaghe wasn't the greatest boxer ever to walk the Earth. And now he insultingly disagrees with me on any subject I happen to post on. Then he accuses me of being childish. What a joke...
:rolleyes:
@Althugz and @TitoFan you are both going way off subject here and are sounding pretty desperate with your silly troll accusations. Again you bring up Calzaghe and project a fanboy persona onto me that most other posters are well aware exists only in your two tiny minds. If you can't be men and discuss the subject in hand like a grown up then maybe you should both take a deep breath and STFU.
In the years when Ali had the ability to articulate he all too often acted like a dick. He was a religious bigot, he was a racist, he was against female emancipation, he was a habitual cheat. The only redeeming factor was that he was a good fighter. As a human being Ali is a tiny, little man. It makes me laugh how the idiot teeming masses look up to this man.
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
He stood by his convictions and beliefs at his own expense, I think thats why some people look up to him.
partially due to the fact that if he wasn't as brash, wasn't outspoken, there would still be plenty of people with veils over there eyes, it's easy to criticize the man for how he expressed himself and his actions, but what would you do if your people were chased down in the streets, had dogs literally let loose on them, had to stunt your potential regardless of your academic accomplishments, because even if you graduated at the top of your class with a 4.0 GPA to everyone else you were still a NiggerQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
plenty can criticize but if you were in the same situation how many of you would have had the balls to do anything, especially when you didn't have it as bad as the rest of your own people
In the same situation I would choose not to be a religious zealot, nor cover up women whilst I box topless, nor hate on people of a different colour, nor cheat like my brain was only connected with my penis. A nob is a nob and Ali was, let's face it, a bit of a nob. Good fighter though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralespartially due to the fact that if he wasn't as brash, wasn't outspoken, there would still be plenty of people with veils over there eyes, it's easy to criticize the man for how he expressed himself and his actions, but what would you do if your people were chased down in the streets, had dogs literally let loose on them, had to stunt your potential regardless of your academic accomplishments, because even if you graduated at the top of your class with a 4.0 GPA to everyone else you were still a NiggerQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
plenty can criticize but if you were in the same situation how many of you would have had the balls to do anything, especially when you didn't have it as bad as the rest of your own people
Life is about choices and you can either take a moral stance or you can ignore it. Ali all too often did the later and that was his free choice. And so it is that I will freely say that I don't think he is a human being worth respecting, but as a fighter I have a lot of respect.
The man changed as he grew. This 'little man' has left his mark on the world. I'd love to know what you've done in comparison.
No what you haven't done, what you have?
Freed any hostages recently?
I have worked hard, been true to those around me and paid my taxes. What more should one do?Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
I'm not the one preaching racial segregation to anyone. That is a stupid view for one to take at any point in their life.
All one can do is try to be a moral person. Ali wasn't a moral person. Maybe he has changed, and if so, then good for him. But most people don't cause all the shit that he has tried to do.
Nobody is perfect, but some are much worse than others.
*yea... He's on film saying"kill whitey"... and a draft dodger... awesome guy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Mind you, I think he was correct in refusing to fight in Vietnam. One should not fight in an immoral war and I hold that principle to all human beings. Anyone showing submission to the military industrial complex either has no soul or needs a long hard look in the mirror.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigstinkybug*yea... He's on film saying"kill whitey"... and a draft dodger... awesome guy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
The subject here is Muhammad Ali, upon which I mentioned Joe Frazier and how sad it must be to carry a grudge to your grave. But you couldn't resist seeing a post of mine, so you attacked my viewpoint, saying I was "patronizingly pitying" Frazier... when in actually you know FUCK about what my intent was, and after I rubbed it in your face... you started insulting me.
And I brought up Calzaghe, who obviously is not related to the subject at hand.... to make a point. The point that since I first started criticizing Joe, you've done a 180-degree turnaround as far as I'm concerned. You used to agree with, and sometimes compliment my posts (I can dredge them up, in case you've forgotten).... and now, like some scorned little kid (like the red-headed idiot on "The Incredibles".... you must've seen it... it's a cartoon).... you seek every opportunity to criticize me AND my posts.
It's so fucking obvious, even YOU can probably comprehend it.
Word of advice, fuckwad..... if you can't take criticism about your beloved fighters, you're in the wrong forum. I'm sure there's a "Boxing for Dummies" forum you can probably get accepted to.
If all he'd done in life was work and pay taxes then maybe you'd be right to look down on his flaws... I think the positive influence he's had on the world out weigh his flaws more than being a tax payer... But that's just me ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI have worked hard, been true to those around me and paid my taxes. What more should one do?Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
I'm not the one preaching racial segregation to anyone. That is a stupid view for one to take at any point in their life.
All one can do is try to be a moral person. Ali wasn't a moral person. Maybe he has changed, and if so, then good for him. But most people don't cause all the shit that he has tried to do.
Nobody is perfect, but some are much worse than others.
He was a very good boxer and represents corporate sponsors very well. I respect the man for his good points, just like Tyson. Great boxer, but I don't need to care for anything more.
Don't worry, nobody will force you to. ???
Now back to comparing Ali and Tyson's actions to each other you go. :rolleyes:
What are you talking about, you silly boy? I like fighters. Tyson was a good fighter. Ali was a good fighter. There lies my comparison. Morally they were both abysmal. It is isn't a complicated logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
@TitoFan you and @Althugz have become a couple of paranoid inverted stalkers. You both seem convinced that I go out of my way to attack you which really is not the case. I am a huge Joe Frazier fan as anybody who has read my posts on here knows. That was why I felt inclined to answer your post. I reserve the right to disagree with anybody on here, it is a forum for debate, not a place to come and have smoke blown up your arse. It doesn't mean I have an agenda against people who do not share the same viewpoint. It is also quite ironic that you should be jumping up and down having a hissy fit, because I pointed out that Frazier had good reason to feel slighted by Ali's constant cruel jibes about him being ignorant and a gorilla. I never once berated your hero and yet you then have to resort to the language of the playground, with your preening side kick chipping in with the hilarious troll comment. The pair of you like to dish it out but can't take any attempt at reasoning like men, you resort to calling people, fuckster,troll,being in a wanking circle, living in Disneyland, being prepubescent, the list goes on. I am sorry if you take everything so personally but nobody else can grow up for you. I have never resorted to using the ignore button or giving someone negative rep, but you whine more than my grandson and he isn't even one yet. Move on the pair of you, I've probably pissed off loads of people on here, it isn't personal. I speak my mind because life is too short to be piddling about and certainly too short to carry a grudge against someone on a forum............
Except maybe @Kev :-)
Who is this stupid arsehole troll?Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
Tell us who the greatest sportsman is then?
Ali was not only the greatest sportsman but one of the greatest men to walk the earth..in regards to the ali frazier situation those comments were used to sell the fight and ali and frazier were friends behind the scene.
Sticks and stones fella.