It's all good bro, I didn't know if you knew..
I think it's time for some of the people who still show animosity towards Ali to give it a rest. The man has tried his best to make amends over the years for the indiscretions of his youth. He's sick, frail, and likely doesn't have much longer to live, leading the Parade at The Olympics in London could be his way of saying goodby to all of us.
People always forget the times he grew up in and how he was treated..The man is probably the greatest sportsman to have ever lived for the way he transcended sports.
I do think this will be a sad day though. The last time he made a public appearance at an event was a baseball game and it was quite heartbreaking to see the state he was in. Do a google search for "Ali baseball game" and you should see the video.
Last edited by THE PHILOSOPHER; 07-26-2012 at 03:16 PM.
This is good. I remember watching he and Holyfield open the 96' games and that was quality. People who dog him need to get the fook on with living. If we are all held in judgment for the self righteousness and boisterous stubbornness of our youth when we are elderly and frail counting down our days decades later...let the line form to the right!
Whenever the subject of Ali comes up, I always think of Joe Frazier.... and of how sad it is that Joe never found it in his heart to finally forgive Ali for all the insults back in the 70's. Maybe I'm wrong... but Joe seemed to find some satisfaction in Ali's condition and probably hinted at how he (Frazier) had at least partially caused that. How sad it must be to go to your grave still holding a mega-grudge like that.
It wasn't a grudge based on some perceived injustice, it was a result of Ali's classless behaviour. For a relatively cosseted Black man from a middle class neighbourhood to call a another Black guy who came from real poverty a Gorilla and Uncle Tom shows a remarkable lack of empathy. Joe's kids coming home in tears because everyone at school had called their Daddy a Gorilla really brings home that callousness. Years later and you are patronizingly pitying Joe for not forgiving Ali.
Firstly, relax yourself and understand that you're thinking with your 2012 head on. Imagine being called a N***er regularly, your parents not being given the same opportunities as others and looked at as second class citizens as well as not being able to get a seat at restaurant even when you've won a gold medal? Shit, I'd be bitter and call my families oppressors "devils" too.
I have no idea what your second sentences relevance was to what I said? I stated, "The man is probably the greatest sportsman to have ever lived for the way he transcended sports."
I feel that's a fair statement. Where does a woman working 3 jobs come into this?In context of what I said, are you then saying this woman is a bigger sports star than Ali? You make no sense..again, relax, breathe deep and think about it.
There is no doubt in my mind that he was a great, great man though. Refusing to go to war in Vietnam makes him a war hero to me. He was right all along and the atrocities commited in that war are still plain to see today in Vietnam. A real war hero refuses to partake in the act in my book.
He is a polarizing figure, no doubt. Everyone has their own wildly varying opinion of him.
The N word is a rife on the vast majority of mainstream music CD's eminating from the united states!
My parents were not given any opportunities, they worked hard and forced open doors that were slamed in there faces! They now run there own successful business yet both grew up on council estates! Try being working class in england and then tell me you dont have to struggle to really make it!
Lets not pretend that ali was some unjustly treated slave, he was raised happily and healthily in a quaint town and nurtured by numerous white men like i.e angelo dundee and the community police officer that introduced him to boxing was black! Hardly an ill treated child lacking black role models was he?
I don't mean to be mean spirited but i don't buy the mass media hyperbole that surrounds ali, he's far from the greatest sportsman ever, he's not even the greatest sportsman in his sport or his division! Most ppl, don't even know who boxers charley burley, teofilio stevenson, laszlo papp or harry greb even are! Most 'famous' sportsman ever yes but certainly not the greatest in the sense that i measure them by. I wish him well though and he is a legend no doubt.
Last edited by THE PHILOSOPHER; 07-27-2012 at 04:07 PM.
That's exactly what I am. So, nobody working class can have that opinion of Ali? I was raised by a single mum my most of my youth and all of my teen years working two jobs..I don't know why you keep bringing up B.S like "they're the real stars!" - Of course they are, but we're talking about sport!!
The reason why Ali was great is because most sports stars are puppets to the media. Talking from a script. Ali did so much to expose racism and refuse to go to war when it was never beneficial for him to do so. That is what defines him. Who else has had that much impact??
You have a voice and what you choose to do with it is up to you..especially in a time when it was unpopular to do so. He wasn't always right by any stretch of the imagination but you knew he was genuine. It helps that he was a handy boxer too. Maybe not the "greatest" in that sense..but he's up there. You still haven't shown my initial statement about him to be wrong..
And don't talk to me about buying into media hyperbole! If I bought into media hyperbole I'd be doing that whole nonsense, "support our troops!" or "help the heroes!" - I don't support any troops nor think they are heroes. That always goes over well..
Who is this stupid arsehole troll?
Tell us who the greatest sportsman is then?
Ali was not only the greatest sportsman but one of the greatest men to walk the earth..in regards to the ali frazier situation those comments were used to sell the fight and ali and frazier were friends behind the scene.
Sticks and stones fella.
Ali was a loudmouthed shit talking punk that did his best to make a dignified activity into pro wrestling. the Universe struck him back and silenced him, thank the heavens. Why people continue to make him into something he never was, and never intended to be, is beyond me. He was, at best, an everyday regular man that got put onto a pedestal he never aspired to (he wasn't that much of a man...bring it on...)and the most overrated fighter of all time.
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