He certainly had a very short prime, but in those 2 fights he dominated one of the best HWs of the era. If he continued that form, how good could he have been?
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He certainly had a very short prime, but in those 2 fights he dominated one of the best HWs of the era. If he continued that form, how good could he have been?
or did he just have Bowe's number ?
I remember when the Lewis fight was announced and I thought heyup Lennox could be in trouble - how wrong was I.
Christ bet that was 13-14 years go now !
I think Golota was pretty good as a boxer, but the guy had no heart. Bowe by that time also had brain damage. It's not even up for interpretation it’s just bloody obvious.
I think what you can say about Golota is that he was a proper heavyweight who could box, jab and punch, but just lacked guts and dare I say it brains.
Some ppl put it down to the maskaev v rahmam syndrome! Personally i think golota was more than that. I dont think it was a case of maskaev or golota just having there number, i think it was a case of 2 fighters being underrated and 2 fighters being overrated. Rahman just wasn't that good (on a consistant basis) and bowe just wasn't destined to be a long reigning champ, he turned into a fat blob. He also got an outright gift decision vs tony tubbs, he could quite easily have gone 1-2 rather than 2-1 against a 205lb holyfield had parachute man not saved him from the beatdown evander was putting on him, he was out on his feet against hide too...
In his prime he was an Elite-Level talented fighter but also a mental midget, no one denies it. Past prime he improved mentally but his great jab was gone with an accident and a serious chunk of his athleticism was just gone with time.
He still should be a champ in the division abandoned by Lewis and not yet taken over by Klits but he was shamefully robbed vs ruiz and the byrd fight was debateable too, Hardly anyone denies that too.
His fight with the 6'6" american corey sanders was just an absolute slugfest, he was impressive vs witherspoon (tim to this day swears golota hit him harder than any fighter ever!) and if he had committed more in the fight with michael grant he would have took him out early too, the bowe fights are 2 of my favourite HW clashes ever so for that he always has me as a fan but ultimately he fought on way past his best and just couldn't get it together!
Had his head always been in tact, he would surely be knocking on or just below the lewis/Klitschkos level, but it wasn't. That's all there is to it.
Try watching the sanders fight.Quote:
but the guy had no heart.
Bullshit. Arguably the best american HW of the 90's got his arse handed to him that's why you hear all these crappy excuses about bowe being shot at 28 lol. He had just beaten evander for a 2nd time and stopped hide and gonzalez ffs but he was brain damaged! Please....Quote:
Bowe by that time also had brain damage. It's not even up for interpretation it’s just bloody obvious.
The fan-man fight is the one that Holyfield did win, Bowe rightfully picked up the first fight, lost the second fight (fan-man fight) , and then stopped Evander in the 3rd fight, in Holyfield's defense he was having heart issues at that time, as for the question at hand I agree with the assessment that Golota had all the attributes to be a top HW, he has skill, size, power, he could physically take a beating when he was in the mindset (watch the shots he took against Tyson before he finally quit), he just didn't have the heart, will, or drive to strive and be the best, he became frustrated too easily and would either quit or find a way out, be it by DQ or just getting clockedQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
My bad, i haven't watched the 5 fights in question for years so forgive me if my memory deserts me, I'm to heavily involved in the current scene, maybe il go back and watch them all when i have a few hours to spare because i know they're worth a watch again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesThe fan-man fight is the one that Holyfield did win, Bowe rightfully picked up the first fight, lost the second fight (fan-man fight) , and then stopped Evander in the 3rd fight, in Holyfield's defense he was having heart issues at that time, as for the question at hand I agree with the assessment that Golota had all the attributes to be a top HW, he has skill, size, power, he could physically take a beating when he was in the mindset (watch the shots he took against Tyson before he finally quit), he just didn't have the heart, will, or drive to strive and be the best, he became frustrated too easily and would either quit or find a way out, be it by DQ or just getting clockedQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
Bowes career if i remember correctly was bizarre full stop! His fight with tillary was hilarious, he ventured into the marines for 11 days, threw his belt in a bin, kidnapped his wife & children, battered his sister, came back to boxing looking like a whale and struggled with journeymen. Gave us 3 classics with evander and got beat down by golota!
not particularly in that order but yea, that about sums it upQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERMy bad, i haven't watched the 5 fights in question for years so forgive me if my memory deserts me, I'm to heavily involved in the current scene maybe, il go back and watch them all when i have a few hours to spare because i know they're worth a watch again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesThe fan-man fight is the one that Holyfield did win, Bowe rightfully picked up the first fight, lost the second fight (fan-man fight) , and then stopped Evander in the 3rd fight, in Holyfield's defense he was having heart issues at that time, as for the question at hand I agree with the assessment that Golota had all the attributes to be a top HW, he has skill, size, power, he could physically take a beating when he was in the mindset (watch the shots he took against Tyson before he finally quit), he just didn't have the heart, will, or drive to strive and be the best, he became frustrated too easily and would either quit or find a way out, be it by DQ or just getting clockedQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
Bowes career if i remember correctly was bizarre full stop! His fight with tillary was hilarious, he ventured into the marines for 11 days, threw his belt in a bin, kidnapped his wife & children, battered his sister, came back to boxing looking like a whale and struggled with journeymen. Gave us 3 classics with evander and got beat down by golota!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20jk-0iWna4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5LxagKJ1PA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcRvHfocX2Y
All 3 of these are funny for various reasons. The man was unhinged but always value for money.
He was alright and always had the physical gifts of a bull with nice straight punches. Unfortunatly his mind was held together with duct tape and elmers glue. Bowe did come in looking like Mardi gras float the first go but still had some skill in tow. He had taken lots o leather from Hide, Holyfield bouts and was literally there to be flat kod in the third fight but Holyfield had hit a wall badly.
Golota was just a trip. I'm convinced he had some trigger in his head that flipped once every year or two. He ripped Hayden in the balls, the next year he got stunned badly and resorted to turning Zombie on Sampson pouhas neck, following year he almost caved Nicholsons head in with intentional headbutts, then he got Bowe and made himself into a trivia question and punchline. It's a shame, he had skill, but he was also dude set on self implosion.
You're right, Bowe had to be in the shape of his life to beat heavyweight legends Herbie Hide and Gonzalez.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
He only beat Holyfield because Holyfield had hepatitis and gassed trying to finish Bowe after knocking him on his fat ass.
Just looking at the physique of Bowe in his nearly days to then says it all.
Bowe's only "official" loss in his career was to Evander Holyfield, a razor close MD, in the 2nd of their 3 fights, Bowe had won the 1st fight and stopped Holyfield in the 3rd fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Golota "the foul Pole", had his moments in his career, and he always had a punchers chance in fights, no matter who he was in against. The sad part of Golota's 2 fights with Bowe, was rather then getting disqualified for low blows, he could have actually won both fights if he'd kept his punches up.
Riddick Bowe was strange for his height and size, he should of been a great boxer on the outside but he wasn't. He was a great inside fighter but only an average fighter on the outside, which showed when he got a gift decision vs a past his best Tony Tubbs, and also struggled vs Tyrell Biggs, both who fought him on the outside.
Even though Riddick Bowe was past his prime, i think Andrew Golota would of always have troubled him. Because Andrew Golota was a good outside fighter with a very good jab he murdered Riddick Bowe with the jab.
As for the question i think Andrew Golota skillfully was a very good fighter, when he fought Riddick Bowe. Good speed, good skills, good jab, good combinations, decent power. But i wouldn't favour him vs any of the great Heavyweight's because he's just too weak mentally and remember skills is only 50 percent of being a pro boxer you got to have the mental game and Andrew Golota never did.
Golota - Bowe III, 3 November 2012, Poland, wrestling rules
Andrew the Nutcracker Golata had some jab and more than adequate right hand. He shouldn't have been allowed to watch any movie where nuts were mentioned. Bowe is one of those guys who doesn't get caught doing the dastardly deeds that causes a loss of points. I don't know what it was with Golata but I saw John Ruiz in another light and he was getting dirtier as the fight went on. Golata could have been champion and he fooled everyone with his peed and his punches traveled quick because most of them were straight but the uppercuts and hooks had a mind of their won and I don't remember if Bowe ever had a deep voice after that fight. In the Ruiz fight Golata looked like the good guy. Ain't that a bitch for the four rounds I actually did see.
yeah....umm, the doctors have said he was brain damaged so its not so much of an opinion. There was a youtube video that discussed this in great detail and they track his speech patterns and discuss his tests. Not making an excuse for the Golota beatings but he didnt pull that argument out of his ass as your "Please" suggests.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
There is an old boxing maxim which states that it's 95% mental and 5% physical. Andrew had the physical part pretty much mastered and was and sorta still is one of the most talented fighters pugilistically to ever come out of Eastern Europe. Unfortunately, upstairs he was a baron wasteland.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
I'm not even sure Cus could have helped that basket case.
Assuming he had something upstairs other then spinal fluid, I think he could have really been a factor.
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Originally Posted by IamInuitThere is an old boxing maxim which states that it's 95% mental and 5% physical. Andrew had the physical part pretty much mastered and was and sorta still is one of the most talented fighters pugilistically to ever come out of Eastern Europe. Unfortunately, upstairs he was a baron wasteland.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
I'm not even sure Cus could have helped that basket case.
Assuming he had something upstairs other then spinal fluid, I think he could have really been a factor.
Good post. Hypotheticals just don't work with guys who lack the mindset in that way, it's not much different than saying what if Glen Johnson was Audley Harrison or something. I do think Golota held it together on a couple of occasions, but I'm thinking of the Byrd and Ruiz fights where he wasn't in against guys who could hurt him. I thought he won both of those fairly clearly if I remember, but he was always going to fall apart or implode at other times. Lennox Lewis flat out iced him as well, I don't think that his shortcomings were even on display so much in that fight, he just got caught cold.
Yeah that one he just got iced but he did look timid/scarred before it happened...golota certainly is a curious mental case and a pyschologist should have done a study or two on the guy.hell he was decently talented good jab, good size, had a good amateur career winning bronze in 88...but as someone else said its like he had a switch that would flip just randomly. he would commit fouls when he was completely dominating a guy, or flat out quit cause hell he didnt want to go 2 more rounds and have a wide points victory...strange case. Funny thing is tho if I remember right from the legendary nights episode he just wanted to be a truck driver or something of the sort when he came to the us...Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitThere is an old boxing maxim which states that it's 95% mental and 5% physical. Andrew had the physical part pretty much mastered and was and sorta still is one of the most talented fighters pugilistically to ever come out of Eastern Europe. Unfortunately, upstairs he was a baron wasteland.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
I'm not even sure Cus could have helped that basket case.
Assuming he had something upstairs other then spinal fluid, I think he could have really been a factor.
Good post. Hypotheticals just don't work with guys who lack the mindset in that way, it's not much different than saying what if Glen Johnson was Audley Harrison or something. I do think Golota held it together on a couple of occasions, but I'm thinking of the Byrd and Ruiz fights where he wasn't in against guys who could hurt him. I thought he won both of those fairly clearly if I remember, but he was always going to fall apart or implode at other times. Lennox Lewis flat out iced him as well, I don't think that his shortcomings were even on display so much in that fight, he just got caught cold.
Is this still on? I remember making a thread on this a while back.Quote:
Originally Posted by therealremi
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...olota-3-a.html
Edit: I just read on a Polish site that they will compete in a steel cage match. I gotta see this ;D
I thought the Golota that beat Chris Byrd and John Ruiz was pretty good too ;D
ı remmeber watchıng the 1st fıght ınjuly 1996 on hbo -- ı had never even herd of golota but holy shıt ı wıll never ever forget that hot humıd NJ nıght watchıng that ıncredıble fıght--ıncredıble ın so many ways. Rıght b4 the fıght--they dıd a lıttle ıntro about golota sınce alot of people obvıously dıdnt really know hım at that poınt. Golota gave a lıttel pre-recorded spewech about polısh beer, polısh sausages and polısh fıghters, a lıttle comıc spıel that ı thought was rather weırd. And the fıght that followed was wıerder stıll! Amazıng fıght--- Ill never forget ıt--and YES goplota showed some amazıng speed for a heavyweıght wıth joltıng accurate straıght punches wıth both hands. too bad he self -destructed. he was a bıg dısappoıntment to a lot of fans.
I've always though that Golota and Bowe were a lot alike. Both had great HW size, skill and power (More so for Bowe). Unfortunately Bowe never saw a twinkie he didn't like and Andrew just fell apart in the ring.
Golota was a head case who could freeze and get blown away early or very rarely be competitive against the best fighters. He has the right tools but not the mentality to be the top fighter he should have been.
When did the doctors say he was brain damaged exactly? You do know boxers have to pass a medical don't you? If anyone had 'fragility' of the brain it was golota! Are you trying to tell us that bowe was a mongoloid, 50% of the fighter he was a year before? Did he suddenly suffer a stroke or something!!!! GTFO....bowe say's he avoided jail by saying he was brain damaged!Quote:
yeah....umm, the doctors have said he was brain damaged so its not so much of an opinion. There was a youtube video that discussed this in great detail and they track his speech patterns and discuss his tests. Not making an excuse for the Golota beatings but he didnt pull that argument out of his ass as your "Please" suggests.
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He pleaded brain damage to avoid jail!
He then publicly denies he has brain damage lol:
Bowe Ready To Box, Denies Brain Damage - New York Daily News
Sounds to me like his fans are in denial about the fact that golota was the better boxer, Regardless of the low blows...just want to be clear, are you saying he was not the fighter who fought holyfield? lol......
I actually had a momentary lull at work and had a moment to look at your post and links so first of all you didn't understand my post. The red headed lady with the glassses who is the doctor in Neveda for alot of the fights(can't think of her name) has publicly said this. She has noted that the change in speech pattern b/w the first Holyfield fight and the first Golota fight was clearly indicative of severe brain damage. It was night and day. Also I am a believer that Golota would have given Bowe trouble at any point of his career due to his size and serviceable jab. As I said in my previous post this was NOT an excuse for Bowe's performances but for you to just dismiss the evidence of medical professionals so nonchalantly is just silly. If you think Bowe is inferior to Golota just say so and leave it at that. Also your links really don't help you much. What person with any real sense would publicly admit that he faked brain damage to avoid jail? That just proves that he is clearly touched now. Another point I would like to make is that Bowe is a fighter who clearly wants to fight so of course he is going to say he is okay. There is a story going aroung that he is going to fight Golota in a MMA match! This doesn't reek of a man that needs money and will say whatever in order to fight, but I digress from the true point of my initial post which was that you can't take a doctor's opinion and toss it out as BS so nonchalantly without proof to refute. It is quite clear that Bowe did alot of this to himself by not taking care of himself and I AGREE WITH YOU that Golota would have given him that beating without brain damage but for a different reason probably. By the way....I Am NOT A BOWE NUTHUGGER by any stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
Bowe is inferior to golota.Quote:
I actually had a momentary lull at work and had a moment to look at your post and links so first of all you didn't understand my post. The red headed lady with the glassses who is the doctor in Neveda for alot of the fights(can't think of her name) has publicly said this. She has noted that the change in speech pattern b/w the first Holyfield fight and the first Golota fight was clearly indicative of severe brain damage. It was night and day. Also I am a believer that Golota would have given Bowe trouble at any point of his career due to his size and serviceable jab. As I said in my previous post this was NOT an excuse for Bowe's performances but for you to just dismiss the evidence of medical professionals so nonchalantly is just silly. If you think Bowe is inferior to Golota just say so and leave it at that. Also your links really don't help you much. What person with any real sense would publicly admit that he faked brain damage to avoid jail? That just proves that he is clearly touched now. Another point I would like to make is that Bowe is a fighter who clearly wants to fight so of course he is going to say he is okay. There is a story going aroung that he is going to fight Golota in a MMA match! This doesn't reek of a man that needs money and will say whatever in order to fight, but I digress from the true point of my initial post which was that you can't take a doctor's opinion and toss it out as BS so nonchalantly without proof to refute. It is quite clear that Bowe did alot of this to himself by not taking care of himself and I AGREE WITH YOU that Golota would have given him that beating without brain damage but for a different reason probably. By the way....I Am NOT A BOWE NUTHUGGER by any stretch
The doctor's name is Margaret Goodman by the way.