Same promoter. Great fight. Chances are Oscar goes by the Arum handbook and wont allow it while both are in their prime.
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Same promoter. Great fight. Chances are Oscar goes by the Arum handbook and wont allow it while both are in their prime.
I don't know -- if DeMarco looks good in September I wouldn't be surprised if it happens. I think Broner destroys him though. I know it's "too soon" to say this (and cue the PDL comments) but I don't think Broner is seriously challenged below 147.
Looking on twitter I think Broner wants Gurruero at 147. I don't think he should move that far up yet, I want to see him at 140 for the time being.
Won't mention the ponce fight but at 140 marquez, matthyse beat him for me. Hell. Garcia seems to not to do anything spectacular yet keeps winning so id give him a shot, and a focused khan that doesn't get taged hard and kod wins in my book as well. He's faced nowhere near anyone close to those fighters and till he does ima look to the one fight where he did face a solid championship fighter above his best weight and wongly got a w, so yeah sorry had to mention pdlQuote:
Originally Posted by shza
I agree completely, except that I think Matthyse would give Broner a great fight at the least, would love to see that. I don't actually think I've seen Molina, who Demarco is set to fight soon. What's your take on that one?Quote:
Originally Posted by shza
I can't give Demarco much of a shot against Broner either just going by the way he looked against Valero and Linares for most of the fight. He does have deceptive power, has those kind of wirey, slicing shots that really crept up on Linares, but then again Jorge is chinny as hell and still had that in the bag until the last round or two. Only way this fight would be a conflict of interests is if Demarco had a serious chance to win, which I can't see. It's not as if he's going to be a big draw or anything.
Great little thread this Iam..... Regardless of the way this fight plays out, from 135 to 147, there are some fantastic fights to be had really when you think about it. Some really top fighters, and plenty that would be willing to trade divisions for a big fight too.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
135:
Adrien Broner
Antonio DeMarco
Miguel Vasquez
Richard Abril
Sharif Bogere
Raymond Beltran (I Guess)
Kevin Mitchell
Ricky Burns
Jorge Linares (Still Talented despite bad losses)
Gavin Rees
140:
Juan Manuel Marquez
Brandon Rios
Mike Alvarado
Lucas Matthysse
Amir Khan
Danny Garcia
Lamont Peterson
Zab Judah (I Guess)
Mercito Gesta
Ojose Alusegun
Vernon Paris
Frankie Gomez (potentially)
147:
Robert Guerrero
Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquiao
Kell Brook
Carson Jones
Andre Berto
Paulie Malignaggi
Randall Bailey
Devon Alexander
Tim Bradley
Selcuk Aydin
Jan Zaveck
Victor Ortiz
Marcos Maidana
Luis Abregu (liked him, banger)
Thomas Dulorme (potentially)
Frankie Gavin (potentially)
Sorry for the long lists. Just got excited.
I'd really like to see Broner vs DeMarco actually. Good fight. Other on that list i'd like to see would be:
Selcuk Aydin vs Jan Zaveck
Luis Carlos Abregu vs Marcos Maidana
Tim Bradley vs Andre Berto
Kell Brook vs Carson Jones II
Kell Brook vs Amir Khan
Kell Brook vs Jan Zaveck
Jan Zaveck vs Andre Berto II
Manny Pacquiao vs Andre Berto
Manny Pacquiao vs Brandon Rios
Kevin Mitchell vs Jorge Linares
Raymond Beltran vs Gavin Rees
Danny Garcia vs Mike Alvarado
Brandon Rios vs Mike Alvarado
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Amir Khan
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Robert Guerrero
Just as a few. Ha.
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Originally Posted by TheMacMagicianGreat little thread this Iam..... Regardless of the way this fight plays out, from 135 to 147, there are some fantastic fights to be had really when you think about it. Some really top fighters, and plenty that would be willing to trade divisions for a big fight too.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
135:
Adrien Broner
Antonio DeMarco
Miguel Vasquez
Richard Abril
Sharif Bogere
Raymond Beltran (I Guess)
Kevin Mitchell
Ricky Burns
Jorge Linares (Still Talented despite bad losses)
Gavin Rees
140:
Juan Manuel Marquez
Brandon Rios
Mike Alvarado
Lucas Matthysse
Amir Khan
Danny Garcia
Lamont Peterson
Zab Judah (I Guess)
Mercito Gesta
Ojose Alusegun
Vernon Paris
Frankie Gomez (potentially)
147:
Robert Guerrero
Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquiao
Kell Brook
Carson Jones
Andre Berto
Paulie Malignaggi
Randall Bailey
Devon Alexander
Tim Bradley
Selcuk Aydin
Jan Zaveck
Victor Ortiz
Marcos Maidana
Luis Abregu (liked him, banger)
Thomas Dulorme (potentially)
Frankie Gavin (potentially)
Sorry for the long lists. Just got excited.
I'd really like to see Broner vs DeMarco actually. Good fight. Other on that list i'd like to see would be:
Selcuk Aydin vs Jan Zaveck
Luis Carlos Abregu vs Marcos Maidana
Tim Bradley vs Andre Berto
Kell Brook vs Carson Jones II
Kell Brook vs Amir Khan
Kell Brook vs Jan Zaveck
Jan Zaveck vs Andre Berto II
Manny Pacquiao vs Andre Berto
Manny Pacquiao vs Brandon Rios
Kevin Mitchell vs Jorge Linares
Raymond Beltran vs Gavin Rees
Danny Garcia vs Mike Alvarado
Brandon Rios vs Mike Alvarado
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Amir Khan
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Robert Guerrero
Just as a few. Ha.
Exceptional list of possibilities Mac. I reckon Broner fancies himself a bit of a tin collector so hopefully he makes a stop at 135 and 140. I suspect he will be a welter by this time next year or year and a half. I kind of see him steamrolling through 135 and most likely 140 also. I think he begins to feel the heat at 147 but even then many of the elites are going to be a little long in the tooth.
Cheers man. Your thread just got me way over excited.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by TheMacMagicianGreat little thread this Iam..... Regardless of the way this fight plays out, from 135 to 147, there are some fantastic fights to be had really when you think about it. Some really top fighters, and plenty that would be willing to trade divisions for a big fight too.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
135:
Adrien Broner
Antonio DeMarco
Miguel Vasquez
Richard Abril
Sharif Bogere
Raymond Beltran (I Guess)
Kevin Mitchell
Ricky Burns
Jorge Linares (Still Talented despite bad losses)
Gavin Rees
140:
Juan Manuel Marquez
Brandon Rios
Mike Alvarado
Lucas Matthysse
Amir Khan
Danny Garcia
Lamont Peterson
Zab Judah (I Guess)
Mercito Gesta
Ojose Alusegun
Vernon Paris
Frankie Gomez (potentially)
147:
Robert Guerrero
Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquiao
Kell Brook
Carson Jones
Andre Berto
Paulie Malignaggi
Randall Bailey
Devon Alexander
Tim Bradley
Selcuk Aydin
Jan Zaveck
Victor Ortiz
Marcos Maidana
Luis Abregu (liked him, banger)
Thomas Dulorme (potentially)
Frankie Gavin (potentially)
Sorry for the long lists. Just got excited.
I'd really like to see Broner vs DeMarco actually. Good fight. Other on that list i'd like to see would be:
Selcuk Aydin vs Jan Zaveck
Luis Carlos Abregu vs Marcos Maidana
Tim Bradley vs Andre Berto
Kell Brook vs Carson Jones II
Kell Brook vs Amir Khan
Kell Brook vs Jan Zaveck
Jan Zaveck vs Andre Berto II
Manny Pacquiao vs Andre Berto
Manny Pacquiao vs Brandon Rios
Kevin Mitchell vs Jorge Linares
Raymond Beltran vs Gavin Rees
Danny Garcia vs Mike Alvarado
Brandon Rios vs Mike Alvarado
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Amir Khan
Juan Manuel Marquez vs Robert Guerrero
Just as a few. Ha.
Exceptional list of possibilities Mac. I reckon Broner fancies himself a bit of a tin collector so hopefully he makes a stop at 135 and 140. I suspect he will be a welter by this time next year or year and a half. I kind of see him steamrolling through 135 and most likely 140 also. I think he begins to feel the heat at 147 but even then many of the elites are going to be a little long in the tooth.
You know, with Broner, I'm not 100% in yet. I think he's not really been tested against what I'd say is a top fighter. The only strong test at 135 is DeMarco, and I will never get the pciture out of my head of Valero dazzling DeMarco with his footwork and him being completely unable to deal with it. Broner doesn't have Valero level footwork, but he has good footwork and very fast hand like Valero had.
Ahhhhh.... Valero. That night against DeMarco, I was 100% ONBOARD, he was sensational, and with a huge gash from an elbow early doors too. Great fighter. Would love that fight in HD.....
Valero was just starting to display some boxing skills when he crashed and burned.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMacMagician
Broner is as fast as anyone in boxing right now including the likes of Gamboa and Russell Jr. Broners style to me is like a hybrid of Benton, Floyd and Ward with a little Robinson thrown in with his willingness to engage. He keeps a pretty wide stance behind that shoulder and remains flat footed much of the time giving him crushing power from either side. Very difficult to get to in the way he lines up and he is an incredible counter puncher. I guess he could become a dud but I highly doubt it.
Yeah, Valero's boxing was fantastic against DeMarco, his footwork was wonderful.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitValero was just starting to display some boxing skills when he crashed and burned.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMacMagician
Broner is as fast as anyone in boxing right now including the likes of Gamboa and Russell Jr. Broners style to me is like a hybrid of Benton, Floyd and Ward with a little Robinson thrown in with his willingness to engage. He keeps a pretty wide stance behind that shoulder and remains flat footed much of the time giving him crushing power from either side. Very difficult to get to in the way he lines up and he is an incredible counter puncher. I guess he could become a dud but I highly doubt it.
Broner, apart from him being a dick, I can see everything there. Aside from the PDL fight, I don't remember seeing him get hit. Ha. He will do, and its how he reacts. Fighting a tough as old boots Rios at 140 or fast power puncher like Gamboa will see whether he can swim. His flat footedness may be what gets him hit against someone quick.
DeMarco has pending serious business but...please make this fight. This would be a great fight but I'd eat my boot if Broner destroys Demarco in any fashion. I don't think its in his mentality and not knowing what division he even wants to fight in let alone work hard enough to meet an agreement tells me that. He literally has not faced the level of experience or caliber a guy like DeMarco brings for me to understand why-how he to date gets such a pass on having to prove anything before some anoint him. I see potential, skill but the professional disregard as much as stance, admiring his work can't be expected to vanish if he doesn't get tested. Its a slow pitch over the plate but I do see PDL experience as relevant...only time 10 rounds...only world class faced not to mention southpaw as DeMarco and its basically the one and only time Broner was forced into a second gear and needing to adjust, and yeh...debatable win at that. He is very use to having things his own way and frankly looks easily distracted by his own presumption of greatness today for me to assume Antonio an easy mark tomorrow. Can't do it. Broner has to show me more because these flavor of the months can be a dime a dozen. DeMarco is easily overlooked and is a very sharp puncher with top notch timing, he starts slow but he is deceptive puncher and accumulates at numerous angles, and if he hurts you, he can finish you.
Good post but I do not agree on all points.The bold is a worry for me to be honest but I think the Ponce fight is very much over played and probably woke Broner up to the fact that you cant sleep on anyone. He probably figured he was about to face a heavy bag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I think the hype is justified and for the most part not overdone. Talent like his does not burst onto the scene all that often. He seems to have it all albeit not being chin checked in abundance but if that carries on then that to is a testimony to his ability. I mean Floyd barely got punched in the face for an entire career. He's not a flavour of the month for me. I have followed this sport for an awful long time
and imho there is something special about this kid. And again I remind myself of your point if he keeps his head on.
Whats unique about the guy is how he uses that shoulder. Call it the Philly shell or shoulder roll whatever. Broner uses it while he seeks you out. That is quite different. Feet planted and wide stance almost completely behind the shoulder with a jack hammer jab and crazy right hand. I think he stops Demarco and that's why Oscar wont make the fight.
In a perfect world say like the mid eighties Broner and Gamboa would be facing off. Hell they probably would have already fought twice.
Broner vs JMM
Khan vs Berto
Either on the same card as
Peterson vs Judah
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Originally Posted by Ant Live
Excuse me. I now have to type a few things. That half assed sentence would be it.
The thing is that when you wake up you tend to take things seriously, like showing up in shape, making a contract and not nearly being the cause of a card being scraped. I tend to think he's day dreaming as much as he's is awake after Ponce. He assumed things...his opponent, his career and his talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitGood post but I do not agree on all points.The bold is a worry for me to be honest but I think the Ponce fight is very much over played and probably woke Broner up to the fact that you cant sleep on anyone. He probably figured he was about to face a heavy bag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I think the hype is justified and for the most part not overdone. Talent like his does not burst onto the scene all that often. He seems to have it all albeit not being chin checked in abundance but if that carries on then that to is a testimony to his ability. I mean Floyd barely got punched in the face for an entire career. He's not a flavour of the month for me. I have followed this sport for an awful long time
and imho there is something special about this kid. And again I remind myself of your point if he keeps his head on.
Whats unique about the guy is how he uses that shoulder. Call it the Philly shell or shoulder roll whatever. Broner uses it while he seeks you out. That is quite different. Feet planted and wide stance almost completely behind the shoulder with a jack hammer jab and crazy right hand. I think he stops Demarco and that's why Oscar wont make the fight.
In a perfect world say like the mid eighties Broner and Gamboa would be facing off. Hell they probably would have already fought twice.
Agree, hype is expected but its a full blown fluffer session with ths guy as of late. The whole network approach to him is that he has 'arrived' and yells the cart out running the mule. Spot on with seeing talent but not being chin checked or facing a "woahhh shit" moment is a must before a guy can stake claim to world class. I remember Mayweather being rocked badly in his 5,6 fight and storming back. He accomplished three fold and more than a Broner has by his 26th go and based on that alone I ant see any comparrison. You can walk like him, wear his T shirt...but that dont make you Mayweather. Not to mention a questionable call vs Castillo, followed with needed rematch in next fight to clear the table with win. I'm wih you on the shoulder and an almost from the backseat defense waiting to counter-pounce. He looks like he is ready to sharp shoot but he needs to show it on a much higher level I think. Time will tell.
I'd like to see this as well. De Marco gave Valero a hell of a fight and we'd definitely see how good Broner actually is if the fight gets made. I don't think Golden Boy are going to take any chances with Broner's career and would be surprised if this fight got made, at least for a while anyway.
I do think Broner's a dick and I do think he's got the wrong attitude to the professional game but I can't think of any more talented up-and-coming fighter at or about the WBalphabet level. And since I'm a sucker for supremely gifted guys on their way up I'll be picking him to win whenever he eventually does face a serious test.
Broner I wonder will that chin, of his be as good as his mouth , some time we will see if so good or will it be a another big mouth bites the dust.