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Definitely a super-easy timekeeping fight. He certainly deserves to take one of these, though I would have preferred Pavlik (which I also view as totally noncompetitive but that one would at least be slightly interesting).
Froch to defend against Mack on Nov. 17 | RingTV
Mack getting ready for Froch | RingTV
War Philadelphia. War Mack. Realistically, however, Froch takes this one with ease.
First thing that came to mind was putting ketchup packets into a blender ??? Froch by demolition.
I won't be surprised if Mack is ahead on the cards when Froch stops him.
Yes the kid can box, he just can't sustain it against the best. Man he has gotten some big fights too, Cloud, Johnson, now Froch. He must have great management. His manager or promoter or whomever used to post on here too.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Good for Mack I say, it ought to be a very good pay day and he is talented so who knows, maybe he scores a major major upset. Stranger things have happened in boxing.
On paper it appears to be a near blow out though.
I am sure we have Mack's manager/trainer on here some times. Mack is a reasonable fighter, not in Froch class but will give it a go.
The other thing about Mack as an opponent is that he is an American, who has been on HBO/Showtime a couple of times. If Froch wants to remain relevant to the American boxing public, but also fight a stay-busy fight, he's not a poor choice.
A deserved and decent keep busy fight for froch.
Froch by KO
If froch can catch him that is, look at how hard it was for andarade in the early rounds.
Quite an easy fight for Carl, although I guess he deserves one. Think he'll ever fight Cleverly?
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
i hope so. it would be big around britain
do you think he will?
No chance! Froch has no business at that weight. He is a natural super mid weight. Cleverly should fight Hopkins etc but he wont because he won't travel like froch. Froch has nothing to prove at domestic level. Cleverly hasn't proved yet and fighting froch isn't the answer but granted would be a big scalp.
Calzaghe didn't give froch a chance so why should froch give cleverly a chance
I saw mack against Johnson, wasn't too impressed. As soon as Froch ups his work rate he should get him out of there. Hope Froch keeps his eye on the ball though, would hate a slip up.
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Originally Posted by Dropanuke
ha, is this some kind of england v wales thing?
i dont see the two as being related
if froch was offered enough money i am sure he would consider it
You are right as id get in the ring with prime Tyson bare fist if you gave me enough money. England vs Wales? What an odd thing to think.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
ha, is this some kind of england v wales thing?
i dont see the two as being related
if froch was offered enough money i am sure he would consider it
Maybe cleverly should come down to 168? Oh I forgot he can't do it even though a 42 year old glen Johnson can?? That's what's odd
Froch - Cleverly wouldn't last 5 rounds. It would be an absolute slaughter.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I wouldn't find that particularly odd, mainly because Cleverly is five inches taller than Johnson and has a larger build. He was 19 when he last fought at SMW, and he was little more than a skinny kid who was still growing back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by DropanukeYou are right as id get in the ring with prime Tyson bare fist if you gave me enough money. England vs Wales? What an odd thing to think.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
ha, is this some kind of england v wales thing?
i dont see the two as being related
if froch was offered enough money i am sure he would consider it
Maybe cleverly should come down to 168? Oh I forgot he can't do it even though a 42 year old glen Johnson can?? That's what's odd
If it's not to do with England v Wales, why make the Calzaghe / Cleverly comparison?
As for Froch v Mack, it's nice for Froch to get a reasonably well-known name who should be fairly straightforward for him to enjoy as a hometown fighter.
Right we will start a collection, I'll put in a fiver to get things rolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by DropanukeYou are right as id get in the ring with prime Tyson bare fist if you gave me enough money. England vs Wales? What an odd thing to think.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
ha, is this some kind of england v wales thing?
i dont see the two as being related
if froch was offered enough money i am sure he would consider it
Maybe cleverly should come down to 168? Oh I forgot he can't do it even though a 42 year old glen Johnson can?? That's what's odd
If you Want to think its enGland vs Wales then call it karma!! If cleverly can make 168 then do so but froch doesn't need to go up for that belt which has little relevance unless you unify it with another belt to make the guy holding it worth something!! Does Dawson look interested in fighting clev? No!! Cos there are bigger and better things out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhunI wouldn't find that particularly odd, mainly because Cleverly is five inches taller than Johnson and has a larger build. He was 19 when he last fought at SMW, and he was little more than a skinny kid who was still growing back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by DropanukeYou are right as id get in the ring with prime Tyson bare fist if you gave me enough money. England vs Wales? What an odd thing to think.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
ha, is this some kind of england v wales thing?
i dont see the two as being related
if froch was offered enough money i am sure he would consider it
Maybe cleverly should come down to 168? Oh I forgot he can't do it even though a 42 year old glen Johnson can?? That's what's odd
If it's not to do with England v Wales, why make the Calzaghe / Cleverly comparison?
As for Froch v Mack, it's nice for Froch to get a reasonably well-known name who should be fairly straightforward for him to enjoy as a hometown fighter.
Kessler has had tons of fights like this , in his own back yard,
about time Froch had a easy night.
Amen!!Quote:
Originally Posted by roberto duran legend
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Originally Posted by DropanukeAmen!!Quote:
Originally Posted by roberto duran legend
Mack? The guy that always does well but his chin lets him down in the big fights?
HAHAHAHAHA Give up!Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Carl Froch is probably my favourite fighter and I expect him to catch up to Mack at some point and stop him (probably in the mid/late rounds when Mack starts to slow), but Mack has shown some slick boxing skills and Froch is hardly Pernell Whitaker. IMO, Mack takes the early rounds and makes Froch look bad until Froch's pressure wears him down and Mack gasses like usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERHAHAHAHAHA Give up!Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Because back then Froch was seen as green at world level (like cleverly is now) and calzaghe had had a string of high profile title bouts (like froch now)?...Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhunI wouldn't find that particularly odd, mainly because Cleverly is five inches taller than Johnson and has a larger build. He was 19 when he last fought at SMW, and he was little more than a skinny kid who was still growing back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by DropanukeYou are right as id get in the ring with prime Tyson bare fist if you gave me enough money. England vs Wales? What an odd thing to think.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
ha, is this some kind of england v wales thing?
i dont see the two as being related
if froch was offered enough money i am sure he would consider it
Maybe cleverly should come down to 168? Oh I forgot he can't do it even though a 42 year old glen Johnson can?? That's what's odd
If it's not to do with England v Wales, why make the Calzaghe / Cleverly comparison?
You don't see the simularities in level? Calzaghe's excuse for avoiding Froch was that he was not on his level... Froch is obviously levels above cleverly who was handed his belt and hasn't really fought anybody yet.
Froch is the best British world champion of the last decade in my humble opinion.
I respect your opinion but Calzaghe wouldnt have let Ward dictate the way he did, or lose, or lose to Kessler for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by roberto duran legend
I understand what you are saying,Calzaghe was a superb boxer,but as you knowQuote:
Originally Posted by rossI respect your opinion but Calzaghe wouldnt have let Ward dictate the way he did, or lose, or lose to Kessler for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by roberto duran legend
he didnt face top draw fighters in their prime.Losing against brilliant fighters like
ward is not a bad thing ,nearly every fighter has a loss,its what you learn from
that,thats what matters,and Froch would beat Kessler now ,And if in tip top condition
and different tactics would push Ward a lot closer.
They're in different weight classes, and that aspect of it isn't going to get resolved. Cleverly won't be able to burn back down to 168, and Froch's not leaving that division unless he gets beat and loses his title.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBBecause back then Froch was seen as green at world level (like cleverly is now) and calzaghe had had a string of high profile title bouts (like froch now)?...Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhunI wouldn't find that particularly odd, mainly because Cleverly is five inches taller than Johnson and has a larger build. He was 19 when he last fought at SMW, and he was little more than a skinny kid who was still growing back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by DropanukeYou are right as id get in the ring with prime Tyson bare fist if you gave me enough money. England vs Wales? What an odd thing to think.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
ha, is this some kind of england v wales thing?
i dont see the two as being related
if froch was offered enough money i am sure he would consider it
Maybe cleverly should come down to 168? Oh I forgot he can't do it even though a 42 year old glen Johnson can?? That's what's odd
If it's not to do with England v Wales, why make the Calzaghe / Cleverly comparison?
You don't see the simularities in level? Calzaghe's excuse for avoiding Froch was that he was not on his level... Froch is obviously levels above cleverly who was handed his belt and hasn't really fought anybody yet.
Also, Froch spent much of his time earlier on calling out Calzaghe after almost every win. Cleverly hasn't really done that for the reasons mentioned above. In terms of the respective stages of their careers then it is similar, but the obstacles between Froch v Calzaghe were very different to the obstacles between Froch v Cleverly.
The original point made was that Froch would be giving Cleverly a chance...there's no chance there for Cleverly beyond maybe picking up a vacant belt at LH, whereas Calzaghe was unified champion holding the belts in the division in which the fights would take place.
If Froch were to go up to LH, a fight with Cloud is the one I would most want to see. I think that would be a GREAT fight. Cleverly is a nobody and always will be. He's just not very good.
cleverly is fighting this guy next apparently...Denis Simcic - BoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by shza
wonder when cleverly will fight somebody good?
He won't because he is shit! Even his family and promoter agree!!
all that is true, its still a strange comparrison to makeQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBBecause back then Froch was seen as green at world level (like cleverly is now) and calzaghe had had a string of high profile title bouts (like froch now)?...Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhunI wouldn't find that particularly odd, mainly because Cleverly is five inches taller than Johnson and has a larger build. He was 19 when he last fought at SMW, and he was little more than a skinny kid who was still growing back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by DropanukeYou are right as id get in the ring with prime Tyson bare fist if you gave me enough money. England vs Wales? What an odd thing to think.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
ha, is this some kind of england v wales thing?
i dont see the two as being related
if froch was offered enough money i am sure he would consider it
Maybe cleverly should come down to 168? Oh I forgot he can't do it even though a 42 year old glen Johnson can?? That's what's odd
If it's not to do with England v Wales, why make the Calzaghe / Cleverly comparison?
You don't see the simularities in level? Calzaghe's excuse for avoiding Froch was that he was not on his level... Froch is obviously levels above cleverly who was handed his belt and hasn't really fought anybody yet.
Eddie Hearn: Carl do you want to fight Cleverly for loads of money?
Carl Froch: Er hang on a minute Eddie, did Joe Calzaghe fight me when I asked him for one?
Eddie Hearn: No Carl
Carl Froch: Well I'm not fighting Cleverly then
Eddie Hearn: What about a Tony Bellew fight for loads of money then
Carl Froch: Er hang on a minute Eddie, did Joe Calzaghe fight me when I asked him for one?
Eddie Hearn: No Carl
Carl Froch: Well I'm not fighting Bellew either then
yeah i can see what you mean, quite a good comparrison after all :)
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The point isn't that Calzaghe is directly involved in Froch's desicion making... Just that the situation of a well established champion not wanting to fight guys who are no where near as established is one that can be compared to calzaghe not fighting froch.
I doubt Froch worries about Calzaghe when chosing fights, I think Froch has done OK without Calzaghe, don't you?
Cleverly is still young and needs to develop. He had a very hard fight against Bellow and needs some easier fights otherwise his career would be over too soon if he fought wars like he did with Bellow. Froch has to fight the best as he has less time on his hands and does not need to develop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddoncleverly is fighting this guy next apparently...Denis Simcic - BoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by shza
wonder when cleverly will fight somebody good?
Froch has done well for himself since Calzaghe but if we remember back to when Calzaghe had dominated the division for 11 years and was a massive name world wide after ruining Lacy and Kessler and unifying the division, Carl was yet to even fight a former world title holder or challenger. His first was Reid, yes Robin Reid who was on the comeback after retirement. That was Frochs first opponent that had been anywhere near the wrold stage!
Back then Froch was an absolute nobody amd he was in fact offered a fight with Calzaghe in early 2007 but Hennesy wouldnt let Froch anywhere near Calzaghe because apparently Warren wanted options on Frochs future fights. I think it had a little to do with that but also he probably wasnt offered alot as Froch was litterally a nobody at that point and Hennesy would be realistic enough to realise that Froch would have a loss on his record before hes even established.
He's "world" champion (lol). He's ranked no.4 by The Ring. All he ever does is fight guys, with decent looking records but no substance to them, that no-one in the world has ever heard of. That's fine for a prospect but he is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterCleverly is still young and needs to develop. He had a very hard fight against Bellow and needs some easier fights otherwise his career would be over too soon if he fought wars like he did with Bellow. Froch has to fight the best as he has less time on his hands and does not need to develop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddoncleverly is fighting this guy next apparently...Denis Simcic - BoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by shza
wonder when cleverly will fight somebody good?
There are dozens of fighters younger than him that get matched against the best.
Froch is with Matchroom and Sky.
Cleverly is with FW and Boxnation.
You will never see that fight in a million years... well unless Cleverly gave Warren the spanish archer