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England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland.
All make up what is known as the United Kingdom, (UK) so if you grew up and have lived primarily in Scotland, Wales, or N. Ireland would you take exception to being called English/British?
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Yes the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish are fiercely patriotic and would rightly be offended as being described as English. Just as you are proud to be a Texan but also American, but would probably not liked to be refered to as Californian but times a hundred in the case of the Welsh and Northern Irish and times a million for the Scottish.
As an Englishman I totally agree with and understand their inferiority complex.:-P
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Guy on TalkSport radio winds-up the Scots by calling Andy Murray Scottish when he loses and British when he wins ;D
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Great Britain applies to England, Scotland and Wales so that makes us all British.
Uk includes Northern Ireland. (united kingdom of GB and NI).
but yeah referring to the welsh, Scottish or Irish as english would be offensive to them and rightfully so.
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Maybe this is a dumb question but when was the last time your PM was not English? or when was the last time the PM was from Scotland, Wales and North Ireland?
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
Yes the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish are fiercely patriotic and would rightly be offended as being described as English. Just as you are proud to be a Texan but also American, but would probably not liked to be refered to as Californian but times a hundred in the case of the Welsh and Northern Irish and times a million for the Scottish.
As an Englishman I totally agree with and understand their inferiority complex.:-P
I doubt if anyone would confuse me with being from California, but since i'm from Texas, which is part of the Southern U.S. I might take exception at being called a "Yankee" (someone from the North or North-East U.S.
I can understand the Northern Irish taking exception to being called English/British, but I never realized someone from Wales or Scotland would.
cheers
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Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
Yes the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish are fiercely patriotic and would rightly be offended as being described as English. Just as you are proud to be a Texan but also American, but would probably not liked to be refered to as Californian but times a hundred in the case of the Welsh and Northern Irish and times a million for the Scottish.
As an Englishman I totally agree with and understand their inferiority complex.:-P
I doubt if anyone would confuse me with being from California, but since i'm from Texas, which is part of the Southern U.S. I might take exception at being called a "Yankee" (someone from the North or North-East U.S.
I can understand the Northern Irish taking exception to being called English/British, but I never realized someone from Wales or Scotland would.
cheers
Yes Mars, I'm Welsh but when we go to War we are all British, and we fight and stick together, then after we call each other names.:)
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VictorCharlie
Maybe this is a dumb question but when was the last time your PM was not English? or when was the last time the PM was from Scotland, Wales and North Ireland?
The prime minister before this one, was Gordon Brown and he is Scottish.
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A lot of the Welsh & Scottish have a deep routed hatred for the English, they definitely wouldn't like being called English.
I'll always remember being on a lads holiday in Ibiza. We spent the entire week with some lad from Scotland we'd made friends with in our hotel (named Fran, with ginger hair & freckles! Honestly!) All week he was our best mate, then on the last night I'm walking back to the hotel with him when we bump into some Welsh girl. As if I weren't even there they both discussed in depth how much they truly hated the English. :confused:
My Dad went to the Italia '90 World Cup and when the Scottish were knocked out the competition they then fiercely supported any team who was playing against England. Even supported Ze Germans, who are traditionally the enemy of The British/Scots.
I don't understand it TBH. You can point to history but if that's the case then why do the (majority of) Americans love the English? Personally I'm British first, English second. If I was called up to fight in a war I'd be fighting side by side with The Scots & Welsh. Fine by me...
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Greenbeanz
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VictorCharlie
Maybe this is a dumb question but when was the last time your PM was not English? or when was the last time the PM was from Scotland, Wales and North Ireland?
The prime minister before this one, was Gordon Brown and he is Scottish.
Thanks. Safe to say that one has never come from Northern Ireland?
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I don't like being called a "yankee" but a lot of good that does telling you lot....Yankees are like the dudes on Jersey Shore, I'm an American but I'm also a Southerner and I am no damned Yankee! My people fought the Yankees
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El Kabong
I don't like being called a "yankee" but a lot of good that does telling you lot....Yankees are like the dudes on Jersey Shore, I'm an American but I'm also a Southerner and I am no damned Yankee! My people fought the Yankees
Red neck Lyle, or the T word.;D
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Dia bando
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El Kabong
I don't like being called a "yankee" but a lot of good that does telling you lot....Yankees are like the dudes on Jersey Shore, I'm an American but I'm also a Southerner and I am no damned Yankee! My people fought the Yankees
Red neck Lyle, or the T word.;D
No, just American is that so fucking difficult?
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El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
I don't like being called a "yankee" but a lot of good that does telling you lot....Yankees are like the dudes on Jersey Shore, I'm an American but I'm also a Southerner and I am no damned Yankee! My people fought the Yankees
Red neck Lyle, or the T word.;D
No, just American is that so fucking difficult?
Miles Jr how about that.;D
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Dia bando
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
I don't like being called a "yankee" but a lot of good that does telling you lot....Yankees are like the dudes on Jersey Shore, I'm an American but I'm also a Southerner and I am no damned Yankee! My people fought the Yankees
Red neck Lyle, or the T word.;D
No, just American is that so fucking difficult?
Miles Jr how about that.;D
Very clever....at least you can make your sheep chuckle after you've had your way with them
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Actually I forgot Tony Blair is Scottish.
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VictorCharlie
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Greenbeanz
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VictorCharlie
Maybe this is a dumb question but when was the last time your PM was not English? or when was the last time the PM was from Scotland, Wales and North Ireland?
The prime minister before this one, was Gordon Brown and he is Scottish.
Thanks. Safe to say that one has never come from Northern Ireland?
They could come from Northern Ireland but it is unlikely because the most popular parties in Northern Ireland are not well represented in Westminster. We have had a few Scottish PM's and David Lloyd George a Welsh one.
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El Kabong
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Dia bando
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El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
I don't like being called a "yankee" but a lot of good that does telling you lot....Yankees are like the dudes on Jersey Shore, I'm an American but I'm also a Southerner and I am no damned Yankee! My people fought the Yankees
Red neck Lyle, or the T word.;D
No, just American is that so fucking difficult?
Miles Jr how about that.;D
Very clever....at least you can make your sheep chuckle after you've had your way with them
Don't knock it till you try it.;D
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ı thınk welsh and ırısh and scottısh have at tımes strong celtıc ancestry and so IMO ı thınk they would NOT lıke to be called brıtısh too well ---- but hey thats my yankee opınıon ı dont know squat about the subject really.
as for tony blaır he can suck a donkey dıck for 4 hours and 14 mınutes.
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Dia bando
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Mars_ax
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Greenbeanz
Yes the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish are fiercely patriotic and would rightly be offended as being described as English. Just as you are proud to be a Texan but also American, but would probably not liked to be refered to as Californian but times a hundred in the case of the Welsh and Northern Irish and times a million for the Scottish.
As an Englishman I totally agree with and understand their inferiority complex.:-P
I doubt if anyone would confuse me with being from California, but since i'm from Texas, which is part of the Southern U.S. I might take exception at being called a "Yankee" (someone from the North or North-East U.S.
I can understand the Northern Irish taking exception to being called English/British, but I never realized someone from Wales or Scotland would.
cheers
Yes Mars, I'm Welsh but when we go to War we are all British, and we fight and stick together, then after we call each other names.:)
That's funny, it reminds me of all the ethnic groups we have in America, Italians, French in Louisiana, Native Americans, Blacks, Latinos/Hispanics, Jews, Irish, English, German, et, al, for the most part we all get along, but when push comes to shove, blood is sometimes thicker than water. :-X
I've noticed that when people of different ethnicities work and/or do business together, prejudice seems to fall by the wayside for the common good.
For some reason I thought you might be Irish, Dia. (no offense)
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No Dia is Welsh. You can tell by the Welsh Flag above his posts with a Dragon on it. All Welsh people have a pet dragon for melting the cheese, when making cheese on toast, because they are a bit eccentric.
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Mars_ax
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Dia bando
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Mars_ax
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Greenbeanz
Yes the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish are fiercely patriotic and would rightly be offended as being described as English. Just as you are proud to be a Texan but also American, but would probably not liked to be refered to as Californian but times a hundred in the case of the Welsh and Northern Irish and times a million for the Scottish.
As an Englishman I totally agree with and understand their inferiority complex.:-P
I doubt if anyone would confuse me with being from California, but since i'm from Texas, which is part of the Southern U.S. I might take exception at being called a "Yankee" (someone from the North or North-East U.S.
I can understand the Northern Irish taking exception to being called English/British, but I never realized someone from Wales or Scotland would.
cheers
Yes Mars, I'm Welsh but when we go to War we are all British, and we fight and stick together, then after we call each other names.:)
That's funny, it reminds me of all the ethnic groups we have in America, Italians, French in Louisiana, Native Americans, Blacks, Latinos/Hispanics, Jews, Irish, English, German, et, al, for the most part we all get along, but when push comes to shove, blood is sometimes thicker than water. :-X
I've noticed that when people of different ethnicities work and/or do business together, prejudice seems to fall by the wayside for the common good.
For some reason I thought you might be Irish, Dia. (no offense)
None taken :)
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Dia bando
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
I don't like being called a "yankee" but a lot of good that does telling you lot....Yankees are like the dudes on Jersey Shore, I'm an American but I'm also a Southerner and I am no damned Yankee! My people fought the Yankees
Red neck Lyle, or the T word.;D
Dia,
I'm sure you, like most on here, are not aware but the use of the words redneck and hillbilly is no different than nigger, chinc or spic.
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VictorCharlie
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
I don't like being called a "yankee" but a lot of good that does telling you lot....Yankees are like the dudes on Jersey Shore, I'm an American but I'm also a Southerner and I am no damned Yankee! My people fought the Yankees
Red neck Lyle, or the T word.;D
Dia,
I'm sure you, like most on here, are not aware but the use of the words redneck and hillbilly is no different than nigger, chinc or spic.
Chink has a k in it and usually is followed by a Y as in chinky. Also surely Hillbilly is not a race or redneck?
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Sorry my spelling of pejoratives is off. Of course redneck and hillbilly are racial slurs. People use them as pejoratives for ignorant white people. Hillbilly was derived from a term for German immigrants in the Appalachians of Kentuckys. If Lyle was black no one on this site would EVER refer to him as a nigger but somehow redneck is an exceptable racist term thrown around all the time.
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VictorCharlie
Sorry my spelling of pejoratives is off. Of course redneck and hillbilly are racial slurs. People use them as pejoratives for ignorant white people. Hillbilly was derived from a term for German immigrants in the Appalachians of Kentuckys. If Lyle was black no one on this site would EVER refer to him as a nigger but somehow redneck is an exceptable racist term thrown around all the time.
So which are you? Redneck or Hillbilly? ;D
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I'm 1/16 Cherokee so make it redman.
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VictorCharlie
Sorry my spelling of pejoratives is off. Of course redneck and hillbilly are racial slurs. People use them as pejoratives for ignorant white people. Hillbilly was derived from a term for German immigrants in the Appalachians of Kentuckys. If Lyle was black no one on this site would EVER refer to him as a nigger but somehow redneck is an exceptable racist term thrown around all the time.
If it offends Lyle then maybe we should stop using it. Hillbilly seems to be more likely to be Scottish in origin. A lot of people call Welsh sheep shaggers and most laugh it off, in fact whenever my local soccer side play a Welsh team, the away end will be full of supporters with inflatable sheep.
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I can't speak for Lyle but it offends me. The mountains of KY had a large German immigant influx at one point. Wilhelm became William then Bill hence Hill Billy.
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Greenbeanz
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VictorCharlie
Sorry my spelling of pejoratives is off. Of course redneck and hillbilly are racial slurs. People use them as pejoratives for ignorant white people. Hillbilly was derived from a term for German immigrants in the Appalachians of Kentuckys. If Lyle was black no one on this site would EVER refer to him as a nigger but somehow redneck is an exceptable racist term thrown around all the time.
If it offends Lyle then maybe we should stop using it. Hillbilly seems to be more likely to be Scottish in origin. A lot of people call Welsh sheep shaggers and most laugh it off, in fact whenever my local soccer side play a Welsh team, the away end will be full of supporters with inflatable sheep.
It's a Lie , I was having a piss and a passing sheep fell onto my cock, I don't care what the Papers say.;D
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Victor Don't be so uptight, remember being Welsh I get called lot's of names water off a duck back,
you give as good as you get. :)
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VictorCharlie
I can't speak for Lyle but it offends me. The mountains of KY had a large German immigant influx at one point. Wilhelm became William then Bill hence Hill Billy.
What about Kraut is that offensive?
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VictorCharlie
I can't speak for Lyle but it offends me. The mountains of KY had a large German immigant influx at one point. Wilhelm became William then Bill hence Hill Billy.
it is much more likely to have originated with the largely Scottish and Irish settlers. Scottish Hill folk and Billie or literally "bloke" or possibly the protestant followers of King William who came from Ulster in Northern Ireland. There is very little evidence suggesting it has anything to do with German Immigrants. Are you from Kentucky or are you just offended on behalf of White Americans?
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I'm offended b/c it is a racial slur; just like I'd be if you used one for any other group. Bigotry shouldn't be tolerated regardless of one's actual race, religion, ethnicity, group or sexual orientation.
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A "redneck" is usually someone who's Southern white trash, an alcoholic who drives an old beat up pickup truck with a gun rack and a cab & bed full of empty beer cans. They chain smoke unfiltered cigs or marlboros, have several tattoos, including one of a rebel flag, their ex's name, or "mother" in the center of a heart. They claim to be a bad-ass and show you their missing teeth to prove it, although the truth is they've just never brushed them. The mother of some of his children is also his mother, and his "wife" is also his sister. Oh, and the back of his neck is sunburned red from doing manual labor in the hot southern sun. How that for a stereotype? Did I leave anything out?
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Redneck, hick, white/trailer trash, hillbilly are all racial slurs, usually insults for white southern males, but it doesn't bother me being called that, because i'm none of those.
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Mars_ax
A "redneck" is usually someone who's Southern white trash, an alcoholic who drives an old beat up pickup truck with a gun rack and a cab & bed full of empty beer cans. They chain smoke unfiltered cigs or marlboros, have several tattoos, including one of a rebel flag, their ex's name, or "mother" in the center of a heart. They claim to be a bad-ass and show you their missing teeth to prove it, although the truth is they've just never brushed them. The mother of some of his children is also his mother, and his "wife" is also his sister. Oh, and the back of his neck is sunburned red from doing manual labor in the hot southern sun. How that for a stereotype? Did I leave anything out?
You don't say, I no one or two like that, mind you they do live in the southern part of the village.;D
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VictorCharlie
I can't speak for Lyle but it offends me. The mountains of KY had a large German immigant influx at one point. Wilhelm became William then Bill hence Hill Billy.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...illbillies.jpg
ARRR LARKE THESE WUNS !
WANNA GO SWIM IN THE CONCRETE POND!
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VictorCharlie
I'm offended b/c it is a racial slur; just like I'd be if you used one for any other group. Bigotry shouldn't be tolerated regardless of one's actual race, religion, ethnicity, group or sexual orientation.
Sorry I'm not buying that. There is a world of difference between calling someone a Nigger and a Hillbilly and you dont have to be American to realise that.
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Greenbeanz
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VictorCharlie
I'm offended b/c it is a racial slur; just like I'd be if you used one for any other group. Bigotry shouldn't be tolerated regardless of one's actual race, religion, ethnicity, group or sexual orientation.
Sorry I'm not buying that. There is a world of difference between calling someone a Nigger and a Hillbilly and you dont have to be American to realise that.
In who's opinion is there a world of difference?