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Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
:action: Man, Saturday can't get here quick enough, this should be fucking war, the legend's son, Julio Jr, against the old lion Sergio Martinez, for all the marbles. This is one us hardcore fans have been waiting for.
Sept. 15th.
At Las Vegas (HBO PPV): Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., 12 rounds, for Martinez's Ring magazine and Chavez's WBC middleweight title; Rocky Martinez vs. Miguel Beltran, 12 rounds, for vacant WBO junior lightweight title; Matthew Macklin vs. Joachim Alcine, 10 rounds, middleweights.
Is Jr. ready for Martinez, or will he get schooled, and then knocked out? -or- Will the much younger, bigger Chavez Jr surprise everyone including Sergio, come up big and win a clearcut decision. (I don't see Jr knocking Sergio out as a possibility)
I'm leaning towards Sergio stopping Chavez Jr. in one of the later rounds. If it's a close fight that goes to a decision, Chavez Jr. will get the nod, and there's a good chance that even if Martinez dominates the action, he'll still take a royal fucking on the scorecards.
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Who you kats got?
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
Jr. is making twice as much as Martinez. Hilarious.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
Boxing as a sport is crazy enough that you never know what is going to happen, at any one moment even after being beaten up for 9 rounds a fighter can come back with one punch and change the fight in an instance and its a rude awakening for the guy that gets cracked, ask Mike Jones; then add the contrversy of bought judges, PED's, and dieuretics and you really never know what the outcome will be.
Chavez is bigger, stronger, taller, and has one of the best hooks to the body since Cotto in his earlier days. Martinez is quicker, sharper with his punches, and has more over all boxing ability. Thats really as far as i want to go with it, I really would like to just let it play out and see what happens. The chance that I see Chavez having is that Martinez is going to want to knock Chavez out so he is going to be in the pocket alot more throwing everything he's got at Chavez who does have a durable chin. While Martinez is attacking the head, Chavez will have a chance to attack to the body and slow the older man down. Martinez has been knocked down in several fights so I dont think its out of this world to think that Chavez can get a knockdown at some point in the fight.
Martinez obviously has to keep away but I think his anger wont let him, he is going to want to knockout Jr. to make sure he doesnt get screwed by the judges and because I think he is alot more emotional about this fight then previous ones and at some point he is really going to want to hurt Chavez and that is where Chavez will either rise to the occasion and throw to the body or he wont, either way we see what he's made of on Saturday.
So I see it as a 65-35 fight in favor of Martinez but with some subplots (age, last few perfomances on both sides, fighter focus) that could make this the fight of the year. There are too many suspicious things in Chavez's background for me to really root for him whole-heartedly but I hope that if he pulls this off that he does it cleanly and with zero controversy...unfortunately I dont think thats going to happen. :-\
Chavez Jr.’s Weight Conflict– Certifying Physician is Chavez Employee, “Furosemide Doctor” | theboxingtribune.com
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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IamInuit
Jr. is making twice as much as Martinez. Hilarious.
Yea I ready Martinez signed a 70/30. At thomas mack expect the gate to be more than 5 million. Could have been 10 million or more if the venue was at the MGM.
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After the first round things will get very interesting, it could even take two rounds but after they've had a good look at each other this fight will live up to our expectations. I'm leaning towards Martinez inside of seven.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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Originally Posted by
Onix
Boxing as a sport is crazy enough that you never know what is going to happen, at any one moment even after being beaten up for 9 rounds a fighter can come back with one punch and change the fight in an instance and its a rude awakening for the guy that gets cracked, ask Mike Jones; then add the contrversy of bought judges, PED's, and dieuretics and you really never know what the outcome will be.
Chavez is bigger, stronger, taller, and has one of the best hooks to the body since Cotto in his earlier days. Martinez is quicker, sharper with his punches, and has more over all boxing ability. Thats really as far as i want to go with it, I really would like to just let it play out and see what happens. The chance that I see Chavez having is that Martinez is going to want to knock Chavez out so he is going to be in the pocket alot more throwing everything he's got at Chavez who does have a durable chin. While Martinez is attacking the head, Chavez will have a chance to attack to the body and slow the older man down. Martinez has been knocked down in several fights so I dont think its out of this world to think that Chavez can get a knockdown at some point in the fight.
Martinez obviously has to keep away but I think his anger wont let him, he is going to want to knockout Jr. to make sure he doesnt get screwed by the judges and because I think he is alot more emotional about this fight then previous ones and at some point he is really going to want to hurt Chavez and that is where Chavez will either rise to the occasion and throw to the body or he wont, either way we see what he's made of on Saturday.
So I see it as a 65-35 fight in favor of Martinez but with some subplots (age, last few perfomances on both sides, fighter focus) that could make this the fight of the year. There are too many suspicious things in Chavez's background for me to really root for him whole-heartedly but I hope that if he pulls this off that he does it cleanly and with zero controversy...unfortunately I dont think thats going to happen. :-\
Chavez Jr.’s Weight Conflict– Certifying Physician is Chavez Employee, “Furosemide Doctor” | theboxingtribune.com
Good post Onix, funny how Jr. went from being a skinny little kid, to walking around as a muscular Light-heavyweight. I'd really like to see this fight so I hope Chavez Jr. doesn't test positive for anything banned prior to the fight or spoil the fight by not coming in @ the middleweight limit of 160 on friday at the weigh-in. To be honest, I don't see Jr. having a chance against Martinez without using PEDs or coming in @ the weigh-in over the 160 limit.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
has anyone looked into the betting odds? the bookies have it a very close fight.
some have martinez up, others have chavez up...
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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ruthless rocco
has anyone looked into the betting odds? the bookies have it a very close fight.
some have martinez up, others have chavez up...
Last time I checked Martinez was still the betting favorite, but that will continue to narrow as a lot of money will be bet on Jr.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
It shows how pathetic boxing is when everyone thinks the champion can't get a fair decision and the other guy is juiced to his eyeballs.
Ignoring all the shady stuff that surrounds Jr... His form really isn't that impressive. Yeah he's improved a lot but he's never been anywhere near someone with Martinez class. Who is the best fighter he's faced?Zbik, Rubio, Lee? Martinez would wipe the floor with these guys. Barker and Macklin would beat these guys.
Martinez KO 9
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
What bookies have Jr as the favourtie? That is insane. Martinez is a best priced 4/7 fav with British bookies, Jr 15/8
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
It shows how pathetic boxing is when everyone thinks the champion can't get a fair decision and the other guy is juiced to his eyeballs.
Ignoring all the shady stuff that surrounds Jr... His form really isn't that impressive. Yeah he's improved a lot but he's never been anywhere near someone with Martinez class. Who is the best fighter he's faced?Zbik, Rubio, Lee? Martinez would wipe the floor with these guys. Barker and Macklin would beat these guys.
Martinez KO 9
And of course, HBO has a vested interest in Jr. winning, so they'll be all over Jr's nuts, I may as well just mute the sound before the fight starts or watch the fight on a Brit stream. (it's a PPV on HBO)
Do you know what the odds are for this fight @Fenster?
Never mind bro, just saw your post.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
11/4 Martinez by TKO/KO. Hmm...
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
If I may ask a question, how many of you have given Chavez a far larger benefit of the doubt after his Andy Lee fight?
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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DavilaJones
If I may ask a question, how many of you have given Chavez a far larger benefit of the doubt after his Andy Lee fight?
For me that fight did show that Chavez has a better shot at this, not ncessarily that it pushed him to be the favorite but it increased his chances. It showed that he has a rock solid chin which everyone pretty much already knew but it confirmed it.
Also it showed something else that I think may have some relevance in this fight; Chavez gets under alot of peoples skin for many reasons and during the fight his antics with acting like Lee's shots werent hurting him made Lee open up and trade with Chavez and he lost that battle. Lee was outbixing Chavez pretty well and took the first 4 rounds but as I believe in round 5 Chavez started doing his little act like Lee's shots werent affecting him and it changed the fight, Lee stood and traded and started getting worn out, I remember Lee doing the same "you hit like a girl" routine and he got caught with a flush hook that almmost dropped him.
He looks foolish dancing around up in the ringafter he gets hit with a good shot but it makes the other guy sit their and trade with him. as I stated in my first reply to the thread Martinez is emotional about this fight and Chavez doessnt have enough sense not to taunt Martinez so it could create a slugfest which will be Chavez only chance.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
It shows how pathetic boxing is when everyone thinks the champion can't get a fair decision and the other guy is juiced to his eyeballs.
Ignoring all the shady stuff that surrounds Jr... His form really isn't that impressive. Yeah he's improved a lot but he's never been anywhere near someone with Martinez class. Who is the best fighter he's faced?Zbik, Rubio, Lee? Martinez would wipe the floor with these guys. Barker and Macklin would beat these guys.
Martinez KO 9
Well said. BUT...the very likelihood that Chavez is juiced and will have the judges/HBO clearly on his side, makes me feel Martinez almost has to win by KO. That is a lot of pressure. Hope he pulls it off, but i have a nagging feeling he will either get worn down or get robbed.
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zhubin
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
It shows how pathetic boxing is when everyone thinks the champion can't get a fair decision and the other guy is juiced to his eyeballs.
Ignoring all the shady stuff that surrounds Jr... His form really isn't that impressive. Yeah he's improved a lot but he's never been anywhere near someone with Martinez class. Who is the best fighter he's faced?Zbik, Rubio, Lee? Martinez would wipe the floor with these guys. Barker and Macklin would beat these guys.
Martinez KO 9
Well said. BUT...the very likelihood that Chavez is juiced and will have the judges/HBO clearly on his side, makes me feel Martinez almost has to win by KO. That is a lot of pressure. Hope he pulls it off, but i have a nagging feeling he will either get worn down or get robbed.
The closer this fight gets the more a victory for segio is the only outcome I can see....martinez battered pavlik, in albeit a close fight but I think that pavlik was better and hit harder than chavez...if andy lee can outbox ya over seven, then can sergio and he's not gassing. Hell junior wasn't able to ko zbik, and sturm isn't exactly a power punchin machine and made him quit after ten...if it wasn't for the name and juniors insane size I think people would laugh at this matchup....I mean what has junior actually done??? But yeah everything is going to favor chavez so I can certainly see an outright robber
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armin
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zhubin
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
It shows how pathetic boxing is when everyone thinks the champion can't get a fair decision and the other guy is juiced to his eyeballs.
Ignoring all the shady stuff that surrounds Jr... His form really isn't that impressive. Yeah he's improved a lot but he's never been anywhere near someone with Martinez class. Who is the best fighter he's faced?Zbik, Rubio, Lee? Martinez would wipe the floor with these guys. Barker and Macklin would beat these guys.
Martinez KO 9
Well said. BUT...the very likelihood that Chavez is juiced and will have the judges/HBO clearly on his side, makes me feel Martinez almost has to win by KO. That is a lot of pressure. Hope he pulls it off, but i have a nagging feeling he will either get worn down or get robbed.
The closer this fight gets the more a victory for segio is the only outcome I can see....martinez battered pavlik, in albeit a close fight but I think that pavlik was better and hit harder than chavez...if andy lee can outbox ya over seven, then can sergio and he's not gassing. Hell junior wasn't able to ko zbik, and sturm isn't exactly a power punchin machine and made him quit after ten...if it wasn't for the name and juniors insane size I think people would laugh at this matchup....I mean what has junior actually done??? But yeah everything is going to favor chavez so I can certainly see an outright robber
I agree. Martinez is a much, MUCH better fighter. And after seeing 24/7...Martinez putting on a clinic would not surprise me a bit. But boxing isn't the cleanest sport and we have all seen some crazy bs happen.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
7 day weigh in: martinez 167 lbs
7 day weigh in: chavez jr 167 lbs
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What does Martinez normally walk around at, does he have to cut much to make 160 considering the claim that he could still fight at light middleweight
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
Sergio Martinez, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. both have random drug tests come back negative - ESPN
This is from 2 months ago, so I hope they've continued the regimen of random testing. Of course, there's all kinds of ways to cheat on a urine sample. I would imagine Jose Sulaiman would be only too willing to help Junior cheat on a piss test.... regardless of what he had to do to get the mission accomplished.
:-X
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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TitoFan
Tito wouldnt you enjoy the fight more if you at least pretended that everything was legit, at least until something illegal does come out?
I get where you are coming from and I have read your points many times on the matter but I have to imagine that at least for the sake of your own entertainment why not just enjoy it? unless constant bashing and negatvity is entertaining to you?
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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Onix
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Tito wouldnt you enjoy the fight more if you at least pretended that everything was legit, at least until something illegal does come out?
I get where you are coming from and I have read your points many times on the matter but I have to imagine that at least for the sake of your own entertainment why not just enjoy it? unless constant bashing and negatvity is entertaining to you?
Oh I'll enjoy the fight just fine.... thanks for your concern. ;)
But I see your point about the "pretending" stuff. So you would rather we just ignore all the red flags that could make this fight controversial in one way or another? You know... "little" stuff, such as:
- Junior's already checkered past with doping issues.
- Jose Sulaiman's blatant corrupt ways, especially to favor Mexican fighters (see: other threads on the subject).
- Junior's penchant for coming in (unexplicably) at 20+ pounds over the weigh-in weight. And all the mystery over his fight-time weights.
- Junior's well-known coddled past, avoiding any real opposition until now, with well over 40+ fights under his belt.
- Papa's well-known "chumminess" with Sulaiman, kind of a Mexican mafia, if you will... who's not above pulling a few strings to ensure Junior's following in daddy's footsteps.
Yeah.... I guess I could "pretend" everything's gonna be legit.
But rest assured.... one way or another, I plan to thoroughly enjoy the fight, come Sept 15th.
;)
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Tito wouldnt you enjoy the fight more if you at least pretended that everything was legit, at least until something illegal does come out?
I get where you are coming from and I have read your points many times on the matter but I have to imagine that at least for the sake of your own entertainment why not just enjoy it? unless constant bashing and negatvity is entertaining to you?
Oh I'll enjoy the fight just fine.... thanks for your concern. ;)
But I see your point about the "pretending" stuff. So you would rather we just ignore all the red flags that could make this fight controversial in one way or another? You know... "little" stuff, such as:
- Junior's already checkered past with doping issues.
- Jose Sulaiman's blatant corrupt ways, especially to favor Mexican fighters (see: other threads on the subject).
- Junior's penchant for coming in (unexplicably) at 20+ pounds over the weigh-in weight. And all the mystery over his fight-time weights.
- Junior's well-known coddled past, avoiding any real opposition until now, with well over 40+ fights under his belt.
- Papa's well-known "chumminess" with Sulaiman, kind of a Mexican mafia, if you will... who's not above pulling a few strings to ensure Junior's following in daddy's footsteps.
Yeah.... I guess I could "pretend" everything's gonna be legit.
But rest assured.... one way or another, I plan to thoroughly enjoy the fight, come Sept 15th.
;)
I understand all that and I am not dismissing it, so even if Chavez wins lets say itll happen with an asterik not matter how it happens. But my questions is a serious one, wouldnt you rather talk about styles or what Martinez has to do to win or what chances Chavez has??
I was having this conversation with my Dad the other day because he also just focuses on the fact that the fights are "fixed" That Chavez has never fought anyone worth watching (he calls them "costalitos" Im sure you've heard the term) And I ask him too, the fight has been made, they are going to fight regardless, and ultimately you are going to watch the fight anyway so why not just enjoy it until its over.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Tito wouldnt you enjoy the fight more if you at least pretended that everything was legit, at least until something illegal does come out?
I get where you are coming from and I have read your points many times on the matter but I have to imagine that at least for the sake of your own entertainment why not just enjoy it? unless constant bashing and negatvity is entertaining to you?
Oh I'll enjoy the fight just fine.... thanks for your concern. ;)
But I see your point about the "pretending" stuff. So you would rather we just ignore all the red flags that could make this fight controversial in one way or another? You know... "little" stuff, such as:
- Junior's already checkered past with doping issues.
- Jose Sulaiman's blatant corrupt ways, especially to favor Mexican fighters (see: other threads on the subject).
- Junior's penchant for coming in (unexplicably) at 20+ pounds over the weigh-in weight. And all the mystery over his fight-time weights.
- Junior's well-known coddled past, avoiding any real opposition until now, with well over 40+ fights under his belt.
- Papa's well-known "chumminess" with Sulaiman, kind of a Mexican mafia, if you will... who's not above pulling a few strings to ensure Junior's following in daddy's footsteps.
Yeah.... I guess I could "pretend" everything's gonna be legit.
But rest assured.... one way or another, I plan to thoroughly enjoy the fight, come Sept 15th.
;)
I understand all that and I am not dismissing it, so even if Chavez wins lets say itll happen with an asterik not matter how it happens. But my questions is a serious one, wouldnt you rather talk about styles or what Martinez has to do to win or what chances Chavez has??
I was having this conversation with my Dad the other day because he also just focuses on the fact that the fights are "fixed" That Chavez has never fought anyone worth watching (he calls them "costalitos" Im sure you've heard the term) And I ask him too, the fight has been made, they are going to fight regardless, and ultimately you are going to watch the fight anyway so why not just enjoy it until its over.
I like to keep everything in perspective. But yes.... I also like to discuss the fight strictly from a technical standpoint. Junior's biggest asset for the fight is going to be his chin. In every other category.... Martinez has the huge advantage. The fight should be entertaining, 'cause it won't be either a chess match, or a "clutch-fest". Junior has a little pop.... but Martinez has been in with huge punchers before, so again it's nothing to fret about.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Tito wouldnt you enjoy the fight more if you at least pretended that everything was legit, at least until something illegal does come out?
I get where you are coming from and I have read your points many times on the matter but I have to imagine that at least for the sake of your own entertainment why not just enjoy it? unless constant bashing and negatvity is entertaining to you?
Oh I'll enjoy the fight just fine.... thanks for your concern. ;)
But I see your point about the "pretending" stuff. So you would rather we just ignore all the red flags that could make this fight controversial in one way or another? You know... "little" stuff, such as:
- Junior's already checkered past with doping issues.
- Jose Sulaiman's blatant corrupt ways, especially to favor Mexican fighters (see: other threads on the subject).
- Junior's penchant for coming in (unexplicably) at 20+ pounds over the weigh-in weight. And all the mystery over his fight-time weights.
- Junior's well-known coddled past, avoiding any real opposition until now, with well over 40+ fights under his belt.
- Papa's well-known "chumminess" with Sulaiman, kind of a Mexican mafia, if you will... who's not above pulling a few strings to ensure Junior's following in daddy's footsteps.
Yeah.... I guess I could "pretend" everything's gonna be legit.
But rest assured.... one way or another, I plan to thoroughly enjoy the fight, come Sept 15th.
;)
I understand all that and I am not dismissing it, so even if Chavez wins lets say itll happen with an asterik not matter how it happens. But my questions is a serious one, wouldnt you rather talk about styles or what Martinez has to do to win or what chances Chavez has??
I was having this conversation with my Dad the other day because he also just focuses on the fact that the fights are "fixed" That Chavez has never fought anyone worth watching (he calls them "costalitos" Im sure you've heard the term) And I ask him too, the fight has been made, they are going to fight regardless, and ultimately you are going to watch the fight anyway so why not just enjoy it until its over.
I like to keep everything in perspective. But yes.... I also like to discuss the fight strictly from a technical standpoint. Junior's biggest asset for the fight is going to be his chin. In every other category.... Martinez has the huge advantage. The fight should be entertaining, 'cause it won't be either a chess match, or a "clutch-fest". Junior has a little pop....
but Martinez has been in with huge punchers before, so again it's nothing to fret about.
Nothing to fret about because you want Chavez to lose, thats cool I can understand rooting for your favorite or against the guy you dont like. Trust me I understand what you are talking about with all the suspicions I just think it takes away from the excitement and buildup for yourself...not that im worried about you or anything ;)
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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Onix
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Onix
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Tito wouldnt you enjoy the fight more if you at least pretended that everything was legit, at least until something illegal does come out?
I get where you are coming from and I have read your points many times on the matter but I have to imagine that at least for the sake of your own entertainment why not just enjoy it? unless constant bashing and negatvity is entertaining to you?
Oh I'll enjoy the fight just fine.... thanks for your concern. ;)
But I see your point about the "pretending" stuff. So you would rather we just ignore all the red flags that could make this fight controversial in one way or another? You know... "little" stuff, such as:
- Junior's already checkered past with doping issues.
- Jose Sulaiman's blatant corrupt ways, especially to favor Mexican fighters (see: other threads on the subject).
- Junior's penchant for coming in (unexplicably) at 20+ pounds over the weigh-in weight. And all the mystery over his fight-time weights.
- Junior's well-known coddled past, avoiding any real opposition until now, with well over 40+ fights under his belt.
- Papa's well-known "chumminess" with Sulaiman, kind of a Mexican mafia, if you will... who's not above pulling a few strings to ensure Junior's following in daddy's footsteps.
Yeah.... I guess I could "pretend" everything's gonna be legit.
But rest assured.... one way or another, I plan to thoroughly enjoy the fight, come Sept 15th.
;)
I understand all that and I am not dismissing it, so even if Chavez wins lets say itll happen with an asterik not matter how it happens. But my questions is a serious one, wouldnt you rather talk about styles or what Martinez has to do to win or what chances Chavez has??
I was having this conversation with my Dad the other day because he also just focuses on the fact that the fights are "fixed" That Chavez has never fought anyone worth watching (he calls them "costalitos" Im sure you've heard the term) And I ask him too, the fight has been made, they are going to fight regardless, and ultimately you are going to watch the fight anyway so why not just enjoy it until its over.
I like to keep everything in perspective. But yes.... I also like to discuss the fight strictly from a technical standpoint. Junior's biggest asset for the fight is going to be his chin. In every other category.... Martinez has the huge advantage. The fight should be entertaining, 'cause it won't be either a chess match, or a "clutch-fest". Junior has a little pop....
but Martinez has been in with huge punchers before, so again it's nothing to fret about.
Nothing to fret about because you want Chavez to lose, thats cool I can understand rooting for your favorite or against the guy you dont like. Trust me I understand what you are talking about with all the suspicions I just think it takes away from the excitement and buildup for yourself...not that im worried about you or anything ;)
I think you're a bit TOO focused on my well-being. ;)
Not that that's a bad thing..... just a little weird.
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Im asking about your point of view, not your feelings
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
haters gonna hate... and if chavez wins then there's already a built in excuse: he MUST be doping.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
Aren't you supposed to be "ignoring" me?
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
Question for you all, if in most eyes Martinez wins 7 to 5 and you see a judge scoring 117 to 111 for Chavez for Chavez to get the split nod. Would you not agree that there was a great fix involved?
I can't even really justify that score and I dread it. I can see clearly if Martinez goes to 12 rounds that somehow at least one judge will give a score of 117-111 Chavez. If it occurred for Abril and Campillo against much less 'named' opponents why not to the son of a man who got dominated by Sweet Pete?
I said this before and I really meant it. I am terrified of this box going the 12 rounds and being left in the hand of judges.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
The sheer fact Chavez being mexican is some big advantage. ;D
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
Just watched the two 24/7 episodes.
Now obviously this is an edited TV show but - Junior comes across as a proper Richy Rich spoilt fucker. Don't give a fuck about Freddie Roach, basically don't give a fuck what his old man is telling him.
If Martinez loses to him it'll be a travesty (:D)..... even though the more I watch the more I think Martinez will slaughter him. The judges had Andy Lee in front before the stoppage.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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ruthless rocco
haters gonna hate... and if chavez wins then there's already a built in excuse: he MUST be doping.
Yes, on Martinez too :)
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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DavilaJones
Question for you all, if in most eyes Martinez wins 7 to 5 and you see a judge scoring 117 to 111 for Chavez for Chavez to get the split nod. Would you not agree that there was a great fix involved?
I can't even really justify that score and I dread it. I can see clearly if Martinez goes to 12 rounds that somehow at least one judge will give a score of 117-111 Chavez. If it occurred for Abril and Campillo against much less 'named' opponents why not to the son of a man who got dominated by Sweet Pete?
I said this before and I really meant it. I am terrified of this box going the 12 rounds and being left in the hand of judges.
Well hopefully, since the NSAC picked the judges and not the WBC, it will hopefully not be so stacked against Martinez. Or at least I'm hoping so.
The corrupt, piece shit Jose Sulaiman is furious that he didn't get to assign the judges for the fight. Of course he's furious, he can't help JCC Jr get a gift decision. This was posted on Fightnews.com
Sulaiman: NSAC has crossed the line!
WBC President Dr. Jose Sulaiman has ripped the Nevada State Athletic Commission’s selection of judges in his recent “Hook to the Liver” column published in El Universal:
“There are some boxing commissions who believe their home is Heaven, and that they are almighty. They don’t understand or recognize that a WBC world champion is exclusive to our agency, for being the one and only owner of this accolade.
“In the case of the September 15 fight in Las Vegas, we are not responsible for the appointment of judges. The Nevada Commission humiliated us, taking out of their sleeve a judge who has only acted for another organization … and that the WBC has never named. This has passed the line of tolerance, and I do not doubt that major steps must be taken to challenge discrimination, abuse, and lack of respect for the most basic principle of justice and rights.”
It is believed that the appointment upsetting Sulaiman is WBA judge Stanley Christodoulou being brought in from South Africa to work the Chavez-Martinez fight.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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Tito wouldnt you enjoy the fight more if you at least pretended that everything was legit, at least until something illegal does come out?
I get where you are coming from and I have read your points many times on the matter but I have to imagine that at least for the sake of your own entertainment why not just enjoy it? unless constant bashing and negatvity is entertaining to you?
Oh I'll enjoy the fight just fine.... thanks for your concern. ;)
But I see your point about the "pretending" stuff. So you would rather we just ignore all the red flags that could make this fight controversial in one way or another? You know... "little" stuff, such as:
- Junior's already checkered past with doping issues.
- Jose Sulaiman's blatant corrupt ways, especially to favor Mexican fighters (see: other threads on the subject).
- Junior's penchant for coming in (unexplicably) at 20+ pounds over the weigh-in weight. And all the mystery over his fight-time weights.
- Junior's well-known coddled past, avoiding any real opposition until now, with well over 40+ fights under his belt.
- Papa's well-known "chumminess" with Sulaiman, kind of a Mexican mafia, if you will... who's not above pulling a few strings to ensure Junior's following in daddy's footsteps.
Yeah.... I guess I could "pretend" everything's gonna be legit.
But rest assured.... one way or another, I plan to thoroughly enjoy the fight, come Sept 15th.
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I understand all that and I am not dismissing it, so even if Chavez wins lets say itll happen with an asterik not matter how it happens. But my questions is a serious one, wouldnt you rather talk about styles or what Martinez has to do to win or what chances Chavez has??
I was having this conversation with my Dad the other day because he also just focuses on the fact that the fights are "fixed" That Chavez has never fought anyone worth watching (he calls them "costalitos" Im sure you've heard the term) And I ask him too, the fight has been made, they are going to fight regardless, and ultimately you are going to watch the fight anyway so why not just enjoy it until its over.
I like to keep everything in perspective. But yes.... I also like to discuss the fight strictly from a technical standpoint.
Junior's biggest asset for the fight is going to be his chin. In every other category.... Martinez has the huge advantage. The fight should be entertaining, 'cause it won't be either a chess match, or a "clutch-fest". Junior has a little pop.... but Martinez has been in with huge punchers before, so again it's nothing to fret about.
Everyone thought that Paul Williams had a great chin too. ;)
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Question for you all, if in most eyes Martinez wins 7 to 5 and you see a judge scoring 117 to 111 for Chavez for Chavez to get the split nod. Would you not agree that there was a great fix involved?
I can't even really justify that score and I dread it. I can see clearly if Martinez goes to 12 rounds that somehow at least one judge will give a score of 117-111 Chavez. If it occurred for Abril and Campillo against much less 'named' opponents why not to the son of a man who got dominated by Sweet Pete?
I said this before and I really meant it. I am terrified of this box going the 12 rounds and being left in the hand of judges.
Well hopefully, since the NSAC picked the judges and not the WBC, it will hopefully not be so stacked against Martinez. Or at least I'm hoping so.
The corrupt, piece shit Jose Sulaiman is furious that he didn't get to assign the judges for the fight. Of course he's furious, he can't help JCC Jr get a gift decision. This was posted on Fightnews.com
Sulaiman: NSAC has crossed the line!
WBC President Dr. Jose Sulaiman has ripped the Nevada State Athletic Commission’s selection of judges in his recent “Hook to the Liver” column published in El Universal:
“There are some boxing commissions who believe their home is Heaven, and that they are almighty. They don’t understand or recognize that a WBC world champion is exclusive to our agency, for being the one and only owner of this accolade.
“In the case of the September 15 fight in Las Vegas, we are not responsible for the appointment of judges. The Nevada Commission humiliated us, taking out of their sleeve a judge who has only acted for another organization … and that the WBC has never named. This has passed the line of tolerance, and I do not doubt that major steps must be taken to challenge discrimination, abuse, and lack of respect for the most basic principle of justice and rights.”
It is believed that the appointment upsetting Sulaiman is WBA judge Stanley Christodoulou being brought in from South Africa to work the Chavez-Martinez fight.
Jose shouldn't be allowed to use the terms fair and just freakin prick
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
As a public service to the forum, I will now proceed to translate Jose Sulaiman's "Hook to the Liver" column, published in El Universal, and posted above by Diane (translation is in bold):
“There are some boxing commissions who believe their home is Heaven, and that they are almighty.
"The Nevada State Athletic Commission is horning in on our racket."
They don’t understand or recognize that a WBC world champion is exclusive to our agency, for being the one and only owner of this accolade.
"They don't understand that little Junior is under our protective wing, so we can bend rules and influence judges to our convenience."
“In the case of the September 15 fight in Las Vegas, we are not responsible for the appointment of judges.
"Our little corrupt gravy train of handpicking the judges has been taken away from us."
The Nevada Commission humiliated us, taking out of their sleeve a judge who has only acted for another organization … and that the WBC has never named.
"The Nevada Commission went and chose a judge we haven't had the chance to bribe, threaten, and/or indoctrinate on our desired result."
This has passed the line of tolerance, and I do not doubt that major steps must be taken to challenge discrimination, abuse, and lack of respect for the most basic principle of justice and rights.”
"Only I, as President of the WBC, can incur in discrimination, abuse, and lack of respect for the principle of justice and rights.... something I know nothing about."
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
Sulaiman has a right to be angry. Not only is Stanley Christodoulou a WBA judge, but he's a fucking terrible judge.
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I'll be there, and the feeling right now in Southern Nevada is Martinez by KO. I saw a picture of Chavez today in the paper. He looked draIned, like he's cut too much weight.
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Re: Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread
I am on the side of Martinez. I have no time for Daddy's boy rich kids and support the man from the streets. I do worry about the size of Chavez and the fact that Martinez is now very old in boxing terms, but savvy and precision should hopefully put an end to Chavez.
