Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. - Saturday night fight/chat thread

[Fenster]

It shows how pathetic boxing is when everyone thinks the champion can't get a fair decision and the other guy is juiced to his eyeballs.

Ignoring all the shady stuff that surrounds Jr... His form really isn't that impressive. Yeah he's improved a lot but he's never been anywhere near someone with Martinez class. Who is the best fighter he's faced?Zbik, Rubio, Lee? Martinez would wipe the floor with these guys. Barker and Macklin would beat these guys.

Martinez KO 9

[Fenster]

What bookies have Jr as the favourtie? That is insane. Martinez is a best priced 4/7 fav with British bookies, Jr 15/8

[Mars_ax]

It shows how pathetic boxing is when everyone thinks the champion can't get a fair decision and the other guy is juiced to his eyeballs.

Ignoring all the shady stuff that surrounds Jr... His form really isn't that impressive. Yeah he's improved a lot but he's never been anywhere near someone with Martinez class. Who is the best fighter he's faced?Zbik, Rubio, Lee? Martinez would wipe the floor with these guys. Barker and Macklin would beat these guys.

Martinez KO 9

And of course, HBO has a vested interest in Jr. winning, so they'll be all over Jr's nuts, I may as well just mute the sound before the fight starts or watch the fight on a Brit stream. (it's a PPV on HBO)

Do you know what the odds are for this fight @Fenster?

Never mind bro, just saw your post.

[zhubin]

It shows how pathetic boxing is when everyone thinks the champion can't get a fair decision and the other guy is juiced to his eyeballs.

Ignoring all the shady stuff that surrounds Jr... His form really isn't that impressive. Yeah he's improved a lot but he's never been anywhere near someone with Martinez class. Who is the best fighter he's faced?Zbik, Rubio, Lee? Martinez would wipe the floor with these guys. Barker and Macklin would beat these guys.

Martinez KO 9

Well said. BUT...the very likelihood that Chavez is juiced and will have the judges/HBO clearly on his side, makes me feel Martinez almost has to win by KO. That is a lot of pressure. Hope he pulls it off, but i have a nagging feeling he will either get worn down or get robbed.

[armin]

It shows how pathetic boxing is when everyone thinks the champion can't get a fair decision and the other guy is juiced to his eyeballs.

Ignoring all the shady stuff that surrounds Jr... His form really isn't that impressive. Yeah he's improved a lot but he's never been anywhere near someone with Martinez class. Who is the best fighter he's faced?Zbik, Rubio, Lee? Martinez would wipe the floor with these guys. Barker and Macklin would beat these guys.

Martinez KO 9

Well said. BUT...the very likelihood that Chavez is juiced and will have the judges/HBO clearly on his side, makes me feel Martinez almost has to win by KO. That is a lot of pressure. Hope he pulls it off, but i have a nagging feeling he will either get worn down or get robbed.

The closer this fight gets the more a victory for segio is the only outcome I can see....martinez battered pavlik, in albeit a close fight but I think that pavlik was better and hit harder than chavez...if andy lee can outbox ya over seven, then can sergio and he's not gassing. Hell junior wasn't able to ko zbik, and sturm isn't exactly a power punchin machine and made him quit after ten...if it wasn't for the name and juniors insane size I think people would laugh at this matchup....I mean what has junior actually done But yeah everything is going to favor chavez so I can certainly see an outright robber

[zhubin]

It shows how pathetic boxing is when everyone thinks the champion can't get a fair decision and the other guy is juiced to his eyeballs.

Ignoring all the shady stuff that surrounds Jr... His form really isn't that impressive. Yeah he's improved a lot but he's never been anywhere near someone with Martinez class. Who is the best fighter he's faced?Zbik, Rubio, Lee? Martinez would wipe the floor with these guys. Barker and Macklin would beat these guys.

Martinez KO 9

Well said. BUT...the very likelihood that Chavez is juiced and will have the judges/HBO clearly on his side, makes me feel Martinez almost has to win by KO. That is a lot of pressure. Hope he pulls it off, but i have a nagging feeling he will either get worn down or get robbed.

The closer this fight gets the more a victory for segio is the only outcome I can see....martinez battered pavlik, in albeit a close fight but I think that pavlik was better and hit harder than chavez...if andy lee can outbox ya over seven, then can sergio and he's not gassing. Hell junior wasn't able to ko zbik, and sturm isn't exactly a power punchin machine and made him quit after ten...if it wasn't for the name and juniors insane size I think people would laugh at this matchup....I mean what has junior actually done But yeah everything is going to favor chavez so I can certainly see an outright robber

I agree. Martinez is a much, MUCH better fighter. And after seeing 24/7...Martinez putting on a clinic would not surprise me a bit. But boxing isn't the cleanest sport and we have all seen some crazy bs happen.

[ruthless rocco]

7 day weigh in: martinez 167 lbs
7 day weigh in: chavez jr 167 lbs

[chinchekked]

What does Martinez normally walk around at, does he have to cut much to make 160 considering the claim that he could still fight at light middleweight

[TitoFan]

Sergio Martinez, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. both have random drug tests come back negative - ESPN



This is from 2 months ago, so I hope they've continued the regimen of random testing. Of course, there's all kinds of ways to cheat on a urine sample. I would imagine Jose Sulaiman would be only too willing to help Junior cheat on a piss test.... regardless of what he had to do to get the mission accomplished.

[Onix]

Sergio Martinez, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. both have random drug tests come back negative - ESPN



This is from 2 months ago, so I hope they've continued the regimen of random testing. Of course, there's all kinds of ways to cheat on a urine sample. I would imagine Jose Sulaiman would be only too willing to help Junior cheat on a piss test.... regardless of what he had to do to get the mission accomplished.

Tito wouldnt you enjoy the fight more if you at least pretended that everything was legit, at least until something illegal does come out?

I get where you are coming from and I have read your points many times on the matter but I have to imagine that at least for the sake of your own entertainment why not just enjoy it? unless constant bashing and negatvity is entertaining to you?

[TitoFan]

Sergio Martinez, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. both have random drug tests come back negative - ESPN



This is from 2 months ago, so I hope they've continued the regimen of random testing. Of course, there's all kinds of ways to cheat on a urine sample. I would imagine Jose Sulaiman would be only too willing to help Junior cheat on a piss test.... regardless of what he had to do to get the mission accomplished.

Tito wouldnt you enjoy the fight more if you at least pretended that everything was legit, at least until something illegal does come out?

I get where you are coming from and I have read your points many times on the matter but I have to imagine that at least for the sake of your own entertainment why not just enjoy it? unless constant bashing and negatvity is entertaining to you?

Oh I'll enjoy the fight just fine.... thanks for your concern.

But I see your point about the "pretending" stuff. So you would rather we just ignore all the red flags that could make this fight controversial in one way or another? You know... "little" stuff, such as:

1. Junior's already checkered past with doping issues.
2. Jose Sulaiman's blatant corrupt ways, especially to favor Mexican fighters (see: other threads on the subject).
3. Junior's penchant for coming in (unexplicably) at 20+ pounds over the weigh-in weight. And all the mystery over his fight-time weights.
4. Junior's well-known coddled past, avoiding any real opposition until now, with well over 40+ fights under his belt.
5. Papa's well-known "chumminess" with Sulaiman, kind of a Mexican mafia, if you will... who's not above pulling a few strings to ensure Junior's following in daddy's footsteps.

Yeah.... I guess I could "pretend" everything's gonna be legit.
But rest assured.... one way or another, I plan to thoroughly enjoy the fight, come Sept 15th.

[GOAT]

The sheer fact Chavez being mexican is some big advantage.

[Fenster]

Just watched the two 24/7 episodes.

Now obviously this is an edited TV show but - Junior comes across as a proper Richy Rich spoilt fucker. Don't give a fuck about Freddie Roach, basically don't give a fuck what his old man is telling him.

If Martinez loses to him it'll be a travesty ()..... even though the more I watch the more I think Martinez will slaughter him. The judges had Andy Lee in front before the stoppage.

[Mars_ax]

Let's rock and roll muther-fuckers, Sergio needs to potty train this clown, this card starts @ 9:00 PM ET Saturday night here in the U.S. and around 2:00 AM in the UK (it might be worth stayin' up for.

At Las Vegas (HBO PPV): Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., 12 rounds, for Martinez's Ring magazine and Chavez's WBC middleweight title; Rocky Martinez vs. Miguel Beltran, 12 rounds, for vacant WBO junior lightweight title; Matthew Macklin vs. Joachim Alcine, 10 rounds, middleweights.

Win, lose draw, i'm pulling for my boy Sergio.

[Spicoli]

Just occurred to me this is ppv! Undercard is completely hollow and they will def show it on replay in a week or so

Canelo v Lopez as a main is hollow but stacked undercard...and Eric morel is sure to get beat up. Dilemmas