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Jimmy Savile , has been accused of being a pervert weather he is or not , I don't no when you
are not around to defend yourself. Trouble is why has , this taken so long to come out in the open,
if he has done what they say, well by all means blacken his name.
Trial by TV is not in my mind, the correct way to go about things or by TV journalist , truth may
come out or not.
He was certainly a strange man
Yes I agree with you, he was and if he had done what they say he has why now he's dead, asQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
justice can not be done, and there is no justice for them poor girls if true.
We can all jump to conclusions, you need proof before you hang some one , Jimmy Savile was
a very strange person, but was he a pervo I don't no I wonder what others think.?
I'd say, from experience, lots of men in the entertainment business have had sex with underage girls.
Fess up Missy. Who have you shagged as a child.
no one, didn't mean I wasn't pestered up. I used to collect autographs ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
R Kelly used to have young girls brought backstage, have condoms on his rider, same as LMFAO do today.
My mum got pestered by Emile Ford till he discovered she was 14.
Nothings changed
In about 84, I helped Train the Met Police Boxing Squad, in the squad there were 3 Detective sargents. They discussed Saville at great length to Me, on a few occasions. They knew He was a Nonce, but Had been told, not to go there, to leave it. As it would open a very big thing with people in very High places, interesting.
Jimmy Saville was a distant relative of mine. Totally serious.
He probably did do it.
Anyone watch the show/interview with Louis Theroux?
I've seen the Louis Theroux documentary and also read him saying he kept in contact with Savile over the years. I got the impression Louis thought he was a good guy, just a character.
It's a shame these stories have come out after his death. Whether it's true or not it doesn't matter to him now.
There just seems to be an endless succession of men being exposed as having had sex with underage girls. It's appaling. I don't think it needs to be said to anyone here but remember, they're not legal until they've left school. And they don't leave school until four o' clock in the afternoon.
It's funny when your dead, you can't defend yourself you can't speak beyond the grave.
Just because Jimmy was a bit eccentric does not mean he was having sex with under age girls. The charges against him were dropped so he was never guilty of anything. He is dead now so why rake this old news up. It was the norm in the BBC in those days. :rolleyes:
Interesting it does not surprise me, the thing is back then things were different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
Unless there is some sort of evidence then we will never know but there does seem to be a lot of girls coming forward claiming he abused them. My guess is he's guilty, I read yesterday in an interview he's quoted saying Gary Glitter did nothing wrong as his pictures of kids were for private use and he wasn't selling them or publishing them so that made it ok. If you know kiddy fiddling is wrong you don't say those things.
Accusations went unfounded in the 70's, but with his money things can go away. I can honestly say if I knew someone who was rich was abusing kids no amount of money would get me to keep my mouth shut. I'm sure other peados were involved.
What pisses me off is people coming out and saying 'i was always suspicious' or 'i saw him with his hand up a little girls skirt' why the fuck didn't you have the bollocks to come forward and say something when it mattered and prevent the same thing to happening to other kids.
Too many sickos in this world I'd love to be locked in a room with them, I'd hurt them so badly it would be impossible for them to fuck anything else.
So Mr Savile how old is your girlfriend ??
Now ten Now ten.
He was a colorful eccentric who, no matter what, did give a huge part of his life for charity. Was he a perv? To be honest, I have no clue; I haven't talked to people who knew him, never met the man in person. He could have been but I am being careful on the topic because nowaday, medias and idiots would do anything for their 5 min of glory, to gather attention or to win loadshit of money quick. One thing though, If he was guilty, why would all of these girls come forward when he's dead when they could have done it while he was alive?
Could be true, sure, but I still find it fishy and no matter what, now he' dead and nothing can be corrected (if correction needs to be).
Just seen a bit on TV now, a women coming forward saying she had been abused, by him 40 years back
strange to come out now. Hanging people by the media, chief hang-women Ester Rantzen what a nice
person she is.:soapbox:
Jimmy Savile fixes it for hundreds of kids. He puts himself out and all he asks is that they touch his cock. Ungrateful bastards..
What has Jimmy Savile, Margaret Thatcher, and Arthur Scargill got in common ??
They all shafted minors in the 80s.
who was abusedQuote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Why is it strange? Any idea what sexual abuse does to someone. Most feel guilt and shame over it as if it was there fault and they should have been able to stop it.
To come forward now, you can't do anything now he's dead can you, make people pay for what theyQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missywho was abusedQuote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Why is it strange? Any idea what sexual abuse does to someone. Most feel guilt and shame over it as if it was there fault and they should have been able to stop it.
have done when they are alive, now he's dead and gone what can you do dance on his grave.
I do no what abuse does to people, and when it comes out in public, a friend of mine his relative was
taken in to care, into a Care home for children, Guess what he and loads others, where sexual abused
it came out in public, and guess what the poor lad could not deal with it and he hung himself.
So you could say, the public no's but what good does that do for that poor lad, nothing what so ever
a very organised pedo ring run in a Council Children's Care home.
I don't no what you do about Salvie now he's dead, I no one thing all the one's in that care home
were dealt when they were alive.
hope you're watching it :p
edited to add - have added poll following the tv programme
I voted don't know
savile was a perv
he sucked on theır nerve
he dıdnt deserve
to throw a hıgh hard one or even a curve--
hıs prıck was bent
they made a cast of cement
and sent it to the Queen
ıt was so fuckıng obscene
he slipped his sausage inwards, deep---
at the now-closed Duncroft Approved School for Girls
he left some semen stains
near Staines,
in a bıg bıg hurry
in Surrey,
where he was a regular visitor
as a vaginal inquisitor.
anyone else want to make a joke about raping kids?
Let's see what that taff has done to that 5 year old as well
Whats the best thing about fucking 39 years olds?Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
There's thirty of them.
That OK? :-\
I was sceptical at first but having watched Colleen Nolan on telly last week saying he asked here to go to a hotel room with him when she was 14 pushed me to the thinking it is true as she has no reason to lie unlike the other people coming forward looking for interview money.
Missy he was no taff, remember he's a Beast if he's the one he will be dealt with, mores theQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
pity Salvie can't be.
Yes He had an Office at the Palace, which He shared ;D.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoInteresting it does not surprise me, the thing is back then things were different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
apparently Cliff Richard is another protected one...
I was told in the early 80's, by a landlady of a local pub , arrested in a toilet in Preston:gay5:Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
so much for the clean cut image.;)
Something about it all just sounds wrong to me. With the numbers being bandied out it just seems absurd that complaints were not made in his lifetime. Savile was a bloody TV presenter of all things, a DJ, if you are predating young children then complaints are made, investigations get done and you get put away. End of.
I am not buying into this 'protected' argument. All those years being allowed to fondle more and more children? Many more people than Savile are responsible for allowing that to go on unchecked if these allegations are true. Jimmy Savile wasn't Kim Jong Il. Just a TV clown who raised money for charity. Not a truly powerful or meaningful individual. Nobody felt prepared to take him on? It makes NO sense.
Nothing can be achieved by raking Savile over the coals now. It was all too long ago and anyone involved is now older and damaged or was involved and is dead. I don't see anywhere it can go. Far too late.
I voted yes, but I don't think it really matters as he can never be brought to justice. Some of the girls continued to have sexual relations with him until their 20's? They both make the 'I was just a naive girl' argument too. No girl of 15 is that naive and no girl should be going to the dressing room of any middle aged man. I am sure many a famous musician has done it with a teenage girl too. I have little sympathy for teenage groupies. Were these girls really naive for several years and well into adulthood? They were scared of the consequences? So scared that they continued allowing him to get his wicked way year after year? Come on now.
Savile was probably a nut, but a lot of these 'victims' seem a bit dubious too. For me a paedophile is someone who goes after young children. 15 and 16 are only different in the eyes of the law. Also 15 and alone with a weird sounding and looking freak like Jimmy Savile. That doesn't add up either, all very dodgy.
I remember when I was around 7 - 12 years old or there about. There was this guy who lived around the corner from my mum and dads house who was a bit weird. 40 - 50 maybe, lived with his mum. His life consisted of walking to the local shops and back and that was it. Looking back he was always inappropriate with kids, always stopping to chat, always touching. Generally it was a stroke of the face, a hand on the shoulder, never anything that you'd immediately think was sexual or clearly wrong.
Now if someone came out of the woodwork today and said that guy went way beyond what I saw with my own eyes I could easily think of 10 - 15 kids who might say actually......he was inappropriate with me too.
Now put that guy into Jimmy Savilles position. Miles can you see how 10 - 15 could easily become 150 - 200?
Paedophilia is a new thing isnt it? The label I mean. The guy I mentioned never did anything like that to me so I never had cause to talk to my parents about it, but if any of my friends did I wouldn't be surprised if the response they got was to stay away and no more. Today if my son came to me and said a grown up had touched him and he didnt want them to I'd be inside for beating them to death with one of their own limbs.
I know the excuse/reason?? that things were different back then is a flimsy one but we're looking at it through 2012 eyes. Things were different, there was no label to slap on someone that behaved like that other than weird bloke down the road. If a dozen or so kids can ignore or not quite understand that what a grown up was doing was wrong and say nothing, it could also happen to a lot more who looked up to said grown up as some kind of hero.
Good post and I agree with most of it. But watching that documentary I saw things that didn't quite gel with the narrative. Of course, people are more protective now, but for one girl to be having a several year fling with him? It doesn't add up.
It all points to him having been up to no good and I am not even trying to play devils advocates really. I only wished people got their balls together and defended their abuses as children then and in numbers, it would have gone somewhere and he have had to reflect.
Something seriously went wrong in this taking until now to come out. If police had known about it, they should have been onto him waiting for the next faux pas. And then get him.
Just all too late. :-\
You're an idiot and have no understanding of reality. There is no point in discussing it with you really. You're focused on what can be done about Saville now, there is no point, the point it clearly matters to the women who were abused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I know of a case of a woman who was sexually assaulted/raped as a kid, it went on for YEARS. The guy was a friend of her mum, he lived next door. It only became public when she was in her late 20's and started to show signs of distress at work and it all came out. Abuse becomes normalised.
I can give you as many examples as you like. It's another subject you know little about.
It's easy for people to sit back and say 'well I would have done this', you don't know. It's not happened to you.
There are too many people coming out to say that he was not having sex with under age children. Gandolf, the culture within the institutions that he worked in must have not allowed them to speak up, although they had a responsibility to do something. Children need to be protected and if 16 is the age then adults have to respect that and not abuse their position in power and should know better.
Freddie Star is also now being implicated.
I'm sorry, but I don't buy into the notion of a 15 year old being a blameless innocent. Savile was likely a bit of a pervert, but many of these teenage girls were sexually aware and were complicit. If you are still shagging the old man into your 20's then you are the idiot. Were you really still playing with Barbie at 15 or did you know a thing or two about the world? I know I did. These were not little girls, these were sexually blossoming teenagers. In centuries gone by you could even marry them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyYou're an idiot and have no understanding of reality. There is no point in discussing it with you really. You're focused on what can be done about Saville now, there is no point, the point it clearly matters to the women who were abused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I know of a case of a woman who was sexually assaulted/raped as a kid, it went on for YEARS. The guy was a friend of her mum, he lived next door. It only became public when she was in her late 20's and started to show signs of distress at work and it all came out. Abuse becomes normalised.
I can give you as many examples as you like. It's another subject you know little about.
It's easy for people to sit back and say 'well I would have done this', you don't know. It's not happened to you.
If it was children of 6 we were talking about with thumb in mouth and a teddy bear in the free arm, I would be a lot more distressed, but otherwise, not really. Savile is dead and the deeds were done. Have you heard the latest claim? A patient recovering from surgery now confesses to having seen Savile molest a brain damaged patient. I mean really, you come out all these years later and make that public. It has become a feeding frenzy.
Likely some truth, but also likely a lot of horseshit too.