Think this one is too close to call
I'm a massive Tyson fan and I like tua
Think Tyson would just edge it but wouldn't be surprised if tua got an unanimous decision if Tyson tired during the later rounds of the fight
What u think people
Printable View
Think this one is too close to call
I'm a massive Tyson fan and I like tua
Think Tyson would just edge it but wouldn't be surprised if tua got an unanimous decision if Tyson tired during the later rounds of the fight
What u think people
90'S tua!
Always daid so...
I will go more in depth when i have more time! Stay tuned...
Did Tyson ever win a fight , were the other guy hit him back ?
Tua took the shots of Ike Ibiabuchi , so maybe Tua would win im not sure.
I doubt many fighters in history, without a height/weight/reach advantage, could have beat prime Tyson.
It sure would have been a spectacle.
Good fight. Hide the children and call the cops. I like Tysons handspeed on Tua but if he layed in and mauled shame on him.
We never really got to see prime Tyson. He was self-destructing even before he won his first belt. The primest Tyson we did see was the scariest combination of speed, mobility and power that I've ever seen by an absolute country mile and would have destroyed Tua.
Yeah I agree Tyson was one of the best, pity he fucked it up a few times.
I like tua he has a great chin
But I think 8/10 times Tyson wins
Knockout
The tua-man gets a bizness card from tyson
Who did Tyson beat who was in his prime , great chin , and big puncher ?
Tyson fans please tell us ?
Tua is strong and chugs forward but when he experinces the speed of the shots coming at him, he would cover up even more than he did against Lewis and I doubt he makes it anywhere near the half way point.
Tua just isnt skilled enough for someone with Mikes speed.
YouTube - david tua vs felix savon
Tua was a teenager in that fight , would u like to find footage of a teenage Tyson being KOED by Al chico Evans ? a bum ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Regrettably the one thing most boxing fans forget is that a boxer's discipline is a quantifiable trait that boxers posses. One simply cannot say "if only he trained harder for every fight" or "if he wasn't always blown up in weight" or etc... It would be as if one were to say "If only Amir Khan had Vitali's chin' or "Paulie Malignaggi had Earnie Shavers punching power."
By that same token how a boxer behaves outside the ring is an inherit trait.
Who was there he could fight. Did he avoid anyoneQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Razor Ruddock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
[QUOTE=ICB;1103648][QUOTE=Dark Lord Al;1103631]Who did Tyson beat who was in his prime , great chin , and big puncher ?
Tyson fans please tell us ?
He fought everyone in his era did he not?
Can't really blame him for who was about at the time
Hence the point if this thread
I declare Shenanigans, do you accept? Of course we got to see a PRIME Tyson, it's just he's a pressure fighter and by their mid 20's they are usually all done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I think Tyson beats Tua, but Tua could land and follow up for a stoppage, I say Tyson wins 70% of the time, 50% of that by KO/TKO. David Tua had a good chin, but I think the speed in which Tyson delivers his punches is the deciding factor. Plus did anyone have success with Tyson trying to hook with him???
Mike was a 15 year old child;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlTua was a teenager in that fight , would u like to find footage of a teenage Tyson being KOED by Al chico Evans ? a bum ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Evans was 27!
Listen to the commentary at the very beggining and then at 39 seconds in;D
YouTube - Ray Mercer vs Al Evans
Can’t wait to hear your reason Philospher, sitting on the edge of my seat in anticipation.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
For the record I would say prime Tyson because he enjoyed fighting fighters that came to him. He demolished most fighters anyway but he was normally quicker, smarter and more powerful that the fighters that fought with him head on. He used the angles to get his shots in a good example was Buster Matis Jnir or Seldon, not that I am comparing them to Tua who was better but stylistically they came at Tyson.
The quick shifts as well as head movement could give Tua big probs. Tua hated movers and speed. With every shift came a simutaneous combo and Tua could have concrete feet and honestly his left hook could be wide and one and done in spots.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterCan’t wait to hear your reason Philospher, sitting on the edge of my seat in anticipation.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
For the record I would say prime Tyson because he enjoyed fighting fighters that came to him. He demolished most fighters anyway but he was normally quicker, smarter and more powerful that the fighters that fought with him head on. He used the angles to get his shots in a good example was Buster Matis Jnir or Seldon, not that I am comparing
them to Tua who was better but stylistically they came at Tyson.
I agree with this.^Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Never knew there were so many tyson haters. Tyson would massacre anyone his own size.
Where is tua in the hall of fame?
Thats interesting when you mention size.
How many other 5,10" fighters would you favour over a klitschko?
The fight tua lost against Charles Ibeabuchi was a classic and showed what heart he had..but tyson is a different beast..
Size was mentioned due to nearly all tysons opponents are bigger than him and many consider tyson to be a small heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
No I agree, what I was saying is that for a fighter of only 5,10" Mike Tyson is the only fighter that short that anyone would favour over both Klitschkos.Quote:
Originally Posted by impSize was mentioned due to nearly all tysons opponents are bigger than him and many consider tyson to be a small heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
I posted some stats about Tyson's weight/height in comparsion to his opponents a while back. I don't think he ever had an advantage over any opponent.
If "prime" Tyson can wipe the floor with people much bigger than him, what would he do to people his own size?
Cheers fella. Its true. Theres not many out there. Tysons speed, massive powerful tree trunk legs and quick head movement primed by gus will get inside and unleash devastating combos!!Quote:
Originally Posted by rossNo I agree, what I was saying is that for a fighter of only 5,10" Mike Tyson is the only fighter that short that anyone would favour over both Klitschkos.Quote:
Originally Posted by impSize was mentioned due to nearly all tysons opponents are bigger than him and many consider tyson to be a small heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Tyson would destroy Tua in a couple of rounds. Tua is a B class fighter even in his so
called prime.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by roberto duran legend
Thankyou for agreeing that the were both teens.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMike was a 15 year old child;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlTua was a teenager in that fight , would u like to find footage of a teenage Tyson being KOED by Al chico Evans ? a bum ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Evans was 27!
Listen to the commentary at the very beggining and then at 39 seconds in;D
YouTube - Ray Mercer vs Al Evans
Not really the same...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlThankyou for agreeing that the were both teens.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMike was a 15 year old child;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlTua was a teenager in that fight , would u like to find footage of a teenage Tyson being KOED by Al chico Evans ? a bum ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Evans was 27!
Listen to the commentary at the very beggining and then at 39 seconds in;D
YouTube - Ray Mercer vs Al Evans
Tua was 19 (4 years older than Mike) when he got beat up by Savon, Mike was 4 fights in to his pro career;D
Its not the same you are right Tua got beat be one of the best unpaid fighters of all time , tyson got beat by a bum.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossNot really the same...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlThankyou for agreeing that the were both teens.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMike was a 15 year old child;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlTua was a teenager in that fight , would u like to find footage of a teenage Tyson being KOED by Al chico Evans ? a bum ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Evans was 27!
Listen to the commentary at the very beggining and then at 39 seconds in;D
YouTube - Ray Mercer vs Al Evans
Tua was 19 (4 years older than Mike) when he got beat up by Savon, Mike was 4 fights in to his pro career;D
Both results dont mean a thing in the pro ranks.
Hahahaha! I cant believe you are comparing a 15 year old child to a 19 year old;D 15!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlIts not the same you are right Tua got beat be one of the best unpaid fighters of all time , tyson got beat by a bum.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossNot really the same...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlThankyou for agreeing that the were both teens.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMike was a 15 year old child;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlTua was a teenager in that fight , would u like to find footage of a teenage Tyson being KOED by Al chico Evans ? a bum ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Evans was 27!
Listen to the commentary at the very beggining and then at 39 seconds in;D
YouTube - Ray Mercer vs Al Evans
Tua was 19 (4 years older than Mike) when he got beat up by Savon, Mike was 4 fights in to his pro career;D
Both results dont mean a thing in the pro ranks.
Thats like aholyfield bragging about getting in Mikes face in the Olypic trials at the pool tablewhen Mike was 16 and he was in his twenties;D He always braggs that he made Mike back down but also always fales to tell everyone Mike was only 16;D Would you be chuffed and bragg to your mates in the pub or even tella news reporter how youthreatened a 16 year old? Wheres the bragging rights there?
head movement and defense and balance swings this one in Tyson's favor. Being closer to Tyson's height gives the Tua man more of an advantage than all those tall fighters that Tyson annihilated. He could swing with Tyson on the inside where as most of those tall guys were handcuffed as far as range goes, once Tyson got inside and started wailing with stubby hooks and hell born uppercuts.
im not comparing im saying your first post showing Tua v Savon irrelevant , as was my post about Tyson as an unpaid fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHahahaha! I cant believe you are comparing a 15 year old child to a 19 year old;D 15!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlIts not the same you are right Tua got beat be one of the best unpaid fighters of all time , tyson got beat by a bum.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossNot really the same...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlThankyou for agreeing that the were both teens.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMike was a 15 year old child;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlTua was a teenager in that fight , would u like to find footage of a teenage Tyson being KOED by Al chico Evans ? a bum ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Evans was 27!
Listen to the commentary at the very beggining and then at 39 seconds in;D
YouTube - Ray Mercer vs Al Evans
Tua was 19 (4 years older than Mike) when he got beat up by Savon, Mike was 4 fights in to his pro career;D
Both results dont mean a thing in the pro ranks.
Thats like aholyfield bragging about getting in Mikes face in the Olypic trials at the pool tablewhen Mike was 16 and he was in his twenties;D He always braggs that he made Mike back down but also always fales to tell everyone Mike was only 16;D Would you be chuffed and bragg to your mates in the pub or even tella news reporter how youthreatened a 16 year old? Wheres the bragging rights there?
We are talking pro's in their prime ,and i ask again who did Tyson beat who was in his prime and had big power like Tua ?
Who did Tua fight that had Tysons ability to avoid being hit, Tysons speed, Tysons agression, Tysons power and Tysons chin?;D
Tony Tucker that fought Tyson beats Tua and Tyrell Biggs and Tony Tubbs;)
Put it this way, Chris Byrd wouldnt have gotten away from Tyson
That was one of the best potential fights of the 90's! Very evenly matched fighters (tua has a slightly bigger frame though) problem with tyson was he never did anything in the 90's really..I wish we would have had i.e holy v tua, tyson v ike etc!
When holyfield put on a few lbs of muscle he was able to bully tyson, what would a 235lb tua do? Tyson got frustrated easily too and was kayoed and even rocked by men who didn't remotely have tua's power. Tua was avoided like hell!
Tua also had a granite chin which was something tyson lacked. The obvious pick would be Tyson. Tua has never held the title. But, after studying these two for a while, I'm not so sure.
They are very similar so the logical thing to do is look at their differences. Tyson has fast hands but poor stamina. He fades after 6 rounds and, depending on his opponent, he MIGHT do well after that. Tua is too patient and has average hand speed but he goes into the late rounds with a good reserve of energy.
Naturally, if Tua could extend Tyson into the later rounds he could win. The question now remains if Tua can survive Tyson's early assult and take his punch. Tua has never been knocked down or out (until recently) and he has only been shaken by monster puncher Ike Ibeabuchi, who is one of the most monstrous fighters in the last 20 years and that was an even fight.
I believe Tua would survive Tyson's early assult. He's too lazy for anyone to believe he could overcome a raging Dynamo like Tyson. However, it's not hard to believe that Tua could survive Tyson early. He would likely be motivated for Tyson, unlike for many of his other opponents.
I don't see Tyson finishing Tua early. He took the best that Ike Ibeabuchi had to offer and I think Ike is every bit as tough as Tyson.
If David is motivated, he would be able to survive early Tyson. Now the question is if Tyson can survive late David. What I do see is Tyson's tank running empty before the final bell. Tua has not shown that tendacy.
Given that, I'll go out on the limb and make my pick.
Tua by TKO in 11.
Frank Bruno, Donovan Ruddock, James Smith...those guys could bang. All we know of Tua is that he took everything Ibeabuchi (a vastly overrated fighter) threw at him and everything Lennox Lewis threw at him...but would he handle Tyson's power? It's not so much about how much power there is behind the punches, but how they land and where they land. Mike Tyson's power is different than Ike's or Lennox's as his punches were shorter, quicker, and in bunches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
The deal with Tyson is he had better fundamentals than Tua. Tyson moved his head, Tyson went to the body, he cut the ring down, he tied up well on the inside, he doubled up on the jab effectively. David Tua would once in a blue moon throw a ton of punches and look like a damn machine, but he was so inconsistent with that.
There's a way to beat Tyson and I don't see Tua having it. Ray Mercer perhaps, but not David Tua.
Are you for real?Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
I would have highlighted all the shit but itd take ages.
Tua had a bigger frame? He was even smaller than Tyson! Just fatter!
As for Tyson not having as good a chin as Tua.....
Mike had no stamina! For fuck sakes... Even when getting stopped by Holyfield when he wasnt the same fighter that train right in the eighties and after being out for 4 years he was still there swining hard in the 11th! Against Douglas when he was hardly training at all and getting dropped hy sparring partners he was still fighting hard in the 10th.
Tyson has an amazing combination of some of the very best attributes youd want in a fighter and this is against all the fighters in history. His speed, footwork, head movement, defence, chin, power and agression are all among the best ever.
Tua was a fat lump that could cover up and throw left hooks and thats it. He never even wan a title and was never anything.
Tua is exactly what all Tysons opponents are not, except Holyfield. He stays low, he didn't throw any 'stinging Jabs' and he knows what to do on the inside. There will be nothing to counter on going in and Tua wont let him square up and start the combos. I mean it will be ugly fight if Tyson clinches and he will get frustrated or it will be Tua game on the inside.
I just cant fucking believe what im reading!
Tua who never wan a title who got humiliated by Byrd but is being favoured to beat a hall of famer top ten of all time heavyweight champ!