Mike Tyson prime vs David tua prime

[Dark Lord Al]

Tua is strong and chugs forward but when he experinces the speed of the shots coming at him, he would cover up even more than he did against Lewis and I doubt he makes it anywhere near the half way point.

Tua just isnt skilled enough for someone with Mikes speed.

YouTube - david tua vs felix savon

Tua was a teenager in that fight , would u like to find footage of a teenage Tyson being KOED by Al chico Evans ? a bum ?

Mike was a 15 year old child

Evans was 27!

Listen to the commentary at the very beggining and then at 39 seconds in

YouTube - Ray Mercer vs Al Evans

Thankyou for agreeing that the were both teens.

Not really the same...

Tua was 19 (4 years older than Mike) when he got beat up by Savon, Mike was 4 fights in to his pro career

Its not the same you are right Tua got beat be one of the best unpaid fighters of all time , tyson got beat by a bum.

Both results dont mean a thing in the pro ranks.

[ross]

Tua is strong and chugs forward but when he experinces the speed of the shots coming at him, he would cover up even more than he did against Lewis and I doubt he makes it anywhere near the half way point.

Tua just isnt skilled enough for someone with Mikes speed.

YouTube - david tua vs felix savon

Tua was a teenager in that fight , would u like to find footage of a teenage Tyson being KOED by Al chico Evans ? a bum ?

Mike was a 15 year old child

Evans was 27!

Listen to the commentary at the very beggining and then at 39 seconds in

YouTube - Ray Mercer vs Al Evans

Thankyou for agreeing that the were both teens.

Not really the same...

Tua was 19 (4 years older than Mike) when he got beat up by Savon, Mike was 4 fights in to his pro career

Its not the same you are right Tua got beat be one of the best unpaid fighters of all time , tyson got beat by a bum.

Both results dont mean a thing in the pro ranks.

Hahahaha! I cant believe you are comparing a 15 year old child to a 19 year old 15!

Thats like aholyfield bragging about getting in Mikes face in the Olypic trials at the pool tablewhen Mike was 16 and he was in his twenties He always braggs that he made Mike back down but also always fales to tell everyone Mike was only 16 Would you be chuffed and bragg to your mates in the pub or even tella news reporter how youthreatened a 16 year old? Wheres the bragging rights there?

[J_Undisputed]

head movement and defense and balance swings this one in Tyson's favor. Being closer to Tyson's height gives the Tua man more of an advantage than all those tall fighters that Tyson annihilated. He could swing with Tyson on the inside where as most of those tall guys were handcuffed as far as range goes, once Tyson got inside and started wailing with stubby hooks and hell born uppercuts.

[Dark Lord Al]

Tua is strong and chugs forward but when he experinces the speed of the shots coming at him, he would cover up even more than he did against Lewis and I doubt he makes it anywhere near the half way point.

Tua just isnt skilled enough for someone with Mikes speed.

YouTube - david tua vs felix savon

Tua was a teenager in that fight , would u like to find footage of a teenage Tyson being KOED by Al chico Evans ? a bum ?

Mike was a 15 year old child

Evans was 27!

Listen to the commentary at the very beggining and then at 39 seconds in

YouTube - Ray Mercer vs Al Evans

Thankyou for agreeing that the were both teens.

Not really the same...

Tua was 19 (4 years older than Mike) when he got beat up by Savon, Mike was 4 fights in to his pro career

Its not the same you are right Tua got beat be one of the best unpaid fighters of all time , tyson got beat by a bum.

Both results dont mean a thing in the pro ranks.

Hahahaha! I cant believe you are comparing a 15 year old child to a 19 year old 15!

Thats like aholyfield bragging about getting in Mikes face in the Olypic trials at the pool tablewhen Mike was 16 and he was in his twenties He always braggs that he made Mike back down but also always fales to tell everyone Mike was only 16 Would you be chuffed and bragg to your mates in the pub or even tella news reporter how youthreatened a 16 year old? Wheres the bragging rights there?

im not comparing im saying your first post showing Tua v Savon irrelevant , as was my post about Tyson as an unpaid fighter.
We are talking pro's in their prime ,and i ask again who did Tyson beat who was in his prime and had big power like Tua ?

[ross]

Who did Tua fight that had Tysons ability to avoid being hit, Tysons speed, Tysons agression, Tysons power and Tysons chin?

Tony Tucker that fought Tyson beats Tua and Tyrell Biggs and Tony Tubbs

Put it this way, Chris Byrd wouldnt have gotten away from Tyson

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

That was one of the best potential fights of the 90's! Very evenly matched fighters (tua has a slightly bigger frame though) problem with tyson was he never did anything in the 90's really..I wish we would have had i.e holy v tua, tyson v ike etc!

When holyfield put on a few lbs of muscle he was able to bully tyson, what would a 235lb tua do? Tyson got frustrated easily too and was kayoed and even rocked by men who didn't remotely have tua's power. Tua was avoided like hell!

Tua also had a granite chin which was something tyson lacked. The obvious pick would be Tyson. Tua has never held the title. But, after studying these two for a while, I'm not so sure.

They are very similar so the logical thing to do is look at their differences. Tyson has fast hands but poor stamina. He fades after 6 rounds and, depending on his opponent, he MIGHT do well after that. Tua is too patient and has average hand speed but he goes into the late rounds with a good reserve of energy.

Naturally, if Tua could extend Tyson into the later rounds he could win. The question now remains if Tua can survive Tyson's early assult and take his punch. Tua has never been knocked down or out (until recently) and he has only been shaken by monster puncher Ike Ibeabuchi, who is one of the most monstrous fighters in the last 20 years and that was an even fight.

I believe Tua would survive Tyson's early assult. He's too lazy for anyone to believe he could overcome a raging Dynamo like Tyson. However, it's not hard to believe that Tua could survive Tyson early. He would likely be motivated for Tyson, unlike for many of his other opponents.

I don't see Tyson finishing Tua early. He took the best that Ike Ibeabuchi had to offer and I think Ike is every bit as tough as Tyson.

If David is motivated, he would be able to survive early Tyson. Now the question is if Tyson can survive late David. What I do see is Tyson's tank running empty before the final bell. Tua has not shown that tendacy.

Given that, I'll go out on the limb and make my pick.

Tua by TKO in 11.

[El Kabong]

im not comparing im saying your first post showing Tua v Savon irrelevant , as was my post about Tyson as an unpaid fighter.
We are talking pro's in their prime ,and i ask again who did Tyson beat who was in his prime and had big power like Tua ?

Frank Bruno, Donovan Ruddock, James Smith...those guys could bang. All we know of Tua is that he took everything Ibeabuchi (a vastly overrated fighter) threw at him and everything Lennox Lewis threw at him...but would he handle Tyson's power? It's not so much about how much power there is behind the punches, but how they land and where they land. Mike Tyson's power is different than Ike's or Lennox's as his punches were shorter, quicker, and in bunches.

The deal with Tyson is he had better fundamentals than Tua. Tyson moved his head, Tyson went to the body, he cut the ring down, he tied up well on the inside, he doubled up on the jab effectively. David Tua would once in a blue moon throw a ton of punches and look like a damn machine, but he was so inconsistent with that.

There's a way to beat Tyson and I don't see Tua having it. Ray Mercer perhaps, but not David Tua.

[ross]

That was one of the best potential fights of the 90's! Very evenly matched fighters (tua has a slightly bigger frame though) problem with tyson was he never did anything in the 90's really..I wish we would have had i.e holy v tua, tyson v ike etc!

When holyfield put on a few lbs of muscle he was able to bully tyson, what would a 235lb tua do? Tyson got frustrated easily too and was kayoed and even rocked by men who didn't remotely have tua's power. Tua was avoided like hell!

Tua also had a granite chin which was something tyson lacked. The obvious pick would be Tyson. Tua has never held the title. But, after studying these two for a while, I'm not so sure.

They are very similar so the logical thing to do is look at their differences. Tyson has fast hands but poor stamina. He fades after 6 rounds and, depending on his opponent, he MIGHT do well after that. Tua is too patient and has average hand speed but he goes into the late rounds with a good reserve of energy.

Naturally, if Tua could extend Tyson into the later rounds he could win. The question now remains if Tua can survive Tyson's early assult and take his punch. Tua has never been knocked down or out (until recently) and he has only been shaken by monster puncher Ike Ibeabuchi, who is one of the most monstrous fighters in the last 20 years and that was an even fight.

I believe Tua would survive Tyson's early assult. He's too lazy for anyone to believe he could overcome a raging Dynamo like Tyson. However, it's not hard to believe that Tua could survive Tyson early. He would likely be motivated for Tyson, unlike for many of his other opponents.

I don't see Tyson finishing Tua early. He took the best that Ike Ibeabuchi had to offer and I think Ike is every bit as tough as Tyson.

If David is motivated, he would be able to survive early Tyson. Now the question is if Tyson can survive late David. What I do see is Tyson's tank running empty before the final bell. Tua has not shown that tendacy.

Given that, I'll go out on the limb and make my pick.

Tua by TKO in 11.

Are you for real?

I would have highlighted all the shit but itd take ages.

Tua had a bigger frame? He was even smaller than Tyson! Just fatter!

As for Tyson not having as good a chin as Tua.....

Mike had no stamina! For fuck sakes... Even when getting stopped by Holyfield when he wasnt the same fighter that train right in the eighties and after being out for 4 years he was still there swining hard in the 11th! Against Douglas when he was hardly training at all and getting dropped hy sparring partners he was still fighting hard in the 10th.

Tyson has an amazing combination of some of the very best attributes youd want in a fighter and this is against all the fighters in history. His speed, footwork, head movement, defence, chin, power and agression are all among the best ever.

Tua was a fat lump that could cover up and throw left hooks and thats it. He never even wan a title and was never anything.

[nikola_ganchev]

Tua is exactly what all Tysons opponents are not, except Holyfield. He stays low, he didn't throw any 'stinging Jabs' and he knows what to do on the inside. There will be nothing to counter on going in and Tua wont let him square up and start the combos. I mean it will be ugly fight if Tyson clinches and he will get frustrated or it will be Tua game on the inside.

[ross]

I just cant fucking believe what im reading!

Tua who never wan a title who got humiliated by Byrd but is being favoured to beat a hall of famer top ten of all time heavyweight champ!

[El Kabong]

I just cant fucking believe what im reading!

Tua who never wan a title who got humiliated by Byrd but is being favoured to beat a hall of famer top ten of all time heavyweight champ!

[ross]

Fuck off...

Name 9 other heavies who would be a favourite to beat the Tyson that beat Spinks

[El Kabong]

Fuck off...

Name 9 other heavies who would be a favourite to beat the Tyson that beat Spinks

Just 9? I mean 9 guys to beat a "Prime Tyson" doesn't necessarily mean these guys are all Top 10 Heavyweights of All-Time, but here it goes: Ali, Foreman, Holyfield, Lewis, Louis, Vitali, Holmes, Mercer, Bowe, Frazier, and personally I think Ernie Terrell would do a number on old Mike too

[TitoFan]

Why are Klitschko fans and Tyson fans mutually exclusive groups? Can't they both be admired in their own right for what they've accomplished? Typically predictable of you, Lyle, to rattle off 9 heavyweights who would "beat a prime Tyson". Personally I think it's a reaction to those who maintain that Tyson would've beaten Wlad. In your opinion... not only does he NOT beat Wlad.... but here are a bunch of bums who Tyson would've lost to as well.

Tyson fans are almost as bad. Wlad suffered some ugly KO's early in his career, so Tyson would undoubtedly tear him a new one. Is it that simple? Wlad has evolved, to be sure. His dominance of the division is pretty unparalleled in HW history. Partly Wlad.... partly the division. Whatever the reason, it's the truth. Tyson lost to a big, strong, athletic heavyweight in Buster Douglas. That Douglas was never that good again, is another story. But that night he was. He showed the world that if you have size, power... and refuse to get bullied by Tyson.... you have a chance. If Wlad fought like Douglas did.... he certainly has the size and power. Chin? I don't know. Douglas did get up after that left hook from hell, and with the benefit of a long count. But he got up. Would Wlad? Who knows....

Can't one be great without the other being shit?

[El Kabong]

I never said Tyson was shit, I think Tyson was great.....just not as great as ross thinks he is