Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez calls out Sergio Martinez for May 4 showdown

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What do you guys think, and if the fight does happen, who do you have winning ?

Lets discuss.

I think it depends on if Martinez can recover from a knee surgery and get in shape. If he can do that and mind you he's no spring chicken, regardless of his 'boxing age' his own physical age is 38 and you don't heal as fast as a 25 year old.

Let's put all that aside and say [he] Martinez comes in ready and can make the weight I would say Sexy Sergio would win easily. Saul has one glaring problem. He goes into a defensive lull for a long time. He's not really a pressure fighter and he doesn't have the chin of Chavez. His defense isn't that tight. BUT I do applaude him for trying to fight Martinez although it puzzles me as to why he's night fighting the winner of "Cotto vs Quillin." I think that's a more logical match up.

Maybe its just him postering, maybe the fight really can happen but its really strange for a kid who's really just a good contender to fight the god damn lineal middleweight champion of the world. Martinez is not a paper champ or a titlist. He's the Andre Ward, Wladimir klitschko. of his division. There is

I think the barking is catching up with Alvarez and while I think some is warranted, I also hope he doesn't insist his way into a rude awakening. Right now Martinez schools him badly. Canelo needed seasoning and 'graduale' rounds vs solid and equal opposition earlier in career. Going in no one expected a worn Mosley, Alfonso Gomez or a 4th option in Lopez to give him that. Off of his recent types and a glorified sparring vs a jr welter...he should forget all about Martinez and focus on next 6 months. Its not so much Martinez but a needed step it up thing.

I don't know, I think it would be a hell of a matchup. Alvarez can really fight imo, he is a lot better than Chavez Jr, and while he hasn't been in with any elite guys he's still better prepared than Jr was. The only other guy as or more dangerous to Martinez at 160 might be Golovkin, but this is certainly a worthy fight and kudos to Saul if he's serious about wanting it.

This is all posturing by Canelo. He made this statement immediately after Martinez decides to undergo surgery on his right knee. From Josesito Lopez to Sergio Martinez? His handlers would be fools to let that happen. Even against undersized foes, has Canelo ever faced a guy who can move?

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I don't know, I think it would be a hell of a matchup. Alvarez can really fight imo, he is a lot better than Chavez Jr, and while he hasn't been in with any elite guys he's still better prepared than Jr was. The only other guy as or more dangerous to Martinez at 160 might be Golovkin, but this is certainly a worthy fight and kudos to Saul if he's serious about wanting it.

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Once in a while you say what I'm thinking. Hell, this is a fight every fight fan will want to see, didn't someone ask him to "step up" a couple of days ago. Maybe Canelo follows this forum, he's picking up English pretty fast so maybe he's reading it too--doubtful but stranger things happen. I don't think Canelo would challenge Martinez unless he was sure he could win, but you never know maybe the money, or the challenge, or the fans are what drives him.

He should fight Chavez Jr. or the winner of Cotto vs Trout.. then go after Martinez.

I can't see Golden Boy putting him in with an elite fighter for his next fight. I think he'll have one or two more against Kirkland/Angulo types to get him ready to step up. Meanwhile Martinez, Cotto, Mayweather all get older and more beatable.

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I can't see Golden Boy putting him in with an elite fighter for his next fight. I think he'll have one or two more against Kirkland/Angulo types to get him ready to step up. Meanwhile Martinez, Cotto, Mayweather all get older and more beatable.

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I get the strange feel like he's a fighter seeing it-those pass him by as he stays on the same level in opposition and arguably taking a sideways though 'dominate' step in his last fight. That entire scenario was a mess. He may be bored and if fans are lucky he's having frustrations with GBP. But you just cant expect to go from the comforts of the neighborhood community swimming pool to the Olympic high dive overnight.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

I can't see Golden Boy putting him in with an elite fighter for his next fight. I think he'll have one or two more against Kirkland/Angulo types to get him ready to step up. Meanwhile Martinez, Cotto, Mayweather all get older and more beatable.

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You guys are never happy, first you want him to "step up", but when he does you complain that he's moving too fast.
Let me get this straight, now you think a steady but cautious advance is the way to go, right?
You can't have it both ways!

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

I can't see Golden Boy putting him in with an elite fighter for his next fight. I think he'll have one or two more against Kirkland/Angulo types to get him ready to step up. Meanwhile Martinez, Cotto, Mayweather all get older and more beatable.

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You guys are never happy, first you want him to "step up", but when he does you complain that he's moving too fast.
Let me get this straight, now you think a steady but cautious advance is the way to go, right?
You can't have it both ways!

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Neither could Chavez jr. But in fairness Canelo and Chavez approach and professionalism couldn't be further apart. You can arguably say Canelo has never been tested, I don't think Martinez would be a wise first acid test realistically.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

I can't see Golden Boy putting him in with an elite fighter for his next fight. I think he'll have one or two more against Kirkland/Angulo types to get him ready to step up. Meanwhile Martinez, Cotto, Mayweather all get older and more beatable.

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You guys are never happy, first you want him to "step up", but when he does you complain that he's moving too fast.
Let me get this straight, now you think a steady but cautious advance is the way to go, right?
You can't have it both ways!

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No one would complain about a Martinez - Canelo fight (just Canelo when the fight was done ;D )

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

I can't see Golden Boy putting him in with an elite fighter for his next fight. I think he'll have one or two more against Kirkland/Angulo types to get him ready to step up. Meanwhile Martinez, Cotto, Mayweather all get older and more beatable.

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You guys are never happy, first you want him to "step up", but when he does you complain that he's moving too fast.
Let me get this straight, now you think a steady but cautious advance is the way to go, right?
You can't have it both ways!

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Neither could Chavez jr. But in fairness Canelo and Chavez approach and professionalism couldn't be further apart. You can arguably say Canelo has never been tested, I don't think Martinez would be a wise first acid test realistically.

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I hope we get a chance to find out, Martinez is starting to get the kind of paydays he should. There are some great fights waiting to happen next year, it's an exciting time in boxing.
Personally, I think the steady but cautious advance is the best way, especially with a gold mine like Canelo, but he could look like a winner against Marteniz even if he loses, by winning a few rounds and looking like he's in the fight. One thing I'm sure of, is that he will do better than Chavez Jr.

Martinez said this on his Twitter " If really Canelo wants the fight, Its easy, his promoter must reach an agreement with my team. I,d fight him tomorrow. "

https://twitter.com/maravillabox

theres a link to his twitter you might have to scroll down a bit

*Canelo would wipe the floor with Martinez... Martinez was faster than Chavez and confident... still got knocked down... Canelo is faster, stronger, younger, better... there is no scenario where Martinez wins.

Would this mean Martinez comes down to 154?

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Originally Posted by bigstinkybug

*Canelo would wipe the floor with Martinez... Martinez was faster than Chavez and confident... still got knocked down... Canelo is faster, stronger, younger, better... there is no scenario where Martinez wins.

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I like both these guys and hope the fight happens, but I wish I could be as sure as you are about either one. Hope it happens.

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Originally Posted by bigstinkybug

*Canelo would wipe the floor with Martinez... Martinez was faster than Chavez and confident... still got knocked down... Canelo is faster, stronger, younger, better... there is no scenario where Martinez wins.

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Canelo doesn't have the chin to withstand the 11 round beating that Martinez put on Junior. He's not stronger than Junior by any measure either.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

I can't see Golden Boy putting him in with an elite fighter for his next fight. I think he'll have one or two more against Kirkland/Angulo types to get him ready to step up. Meanwhile Martinez, Cotto, Mayweather all get older and more beatable.

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You guys are never happy, first you want him to "step up", but when he does you complain that he's moving too fast.
Let me get this straight, now you think a steady but cautious advance is the way to go, right?
You can't have it both ways!

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I'm not knocking Alvarez at all, I really like him and I'm looking forward to watching the rest of his career. I'm sure he wants to fight Martinez, Mayweather, Cotto and so on right now. Those are three enormous money PPV fights for everybody concerned.

But I don't think his promoters are going to risk it yet. Alvarez is a potential absolute goldmine for them and gradually giving him more seasoning before he hits elite level while at the same time letting the elite fighters get older and take more dings is the smart move for Golden Boy.

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Would this mean Martinez comes down to 154?

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If he's the one popping off for Martinez and wanting some status, he goes up to him.

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*Canelo would wipe the floor with Martinez... Martinez was faster than Chavez and confident... still got knocked down... Canelo is faster, stronger, younger, better... there is no scenario where Martinez wins.

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Canelo doesn't have the chin to withstand the 11 round beating that Martinez put on Junior. He's not stronger than Junior by any measure either.

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doesnt hold a 20 lb weight advantage either

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Originally Posted by bigstinkybug

*Canelo would wipe the floor with Martinez... Martinez was faster than Chavez and confident... still got knocked down... Canelo is faster, stronger, younger, better... there is no scenario where Martinez wins.

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Canelo doesn't have the chin to withstand the 11 round beating that Martinez put on Junior. He's not stronger than Junior by any measure either.

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doesnt hold a 20 lb weight advantage either

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But Canelo can box way better then Julio. Not saying he's win but I'm sure it'll be a competitive fight for both.

May 4th is a long way off, so I don't take this seriously, although i'd love to see the fight, I believe Martinez schools the kid.

Let’s get real here. Alvarez knows full well that chances are Martinez will not be ready for a May date. In fact the chances are slim to none and slim just left the building. Martinez is talking about getting back into light training by April. I mean if you are going to wait for everyone to age out the least you could do is try one out when they are healthy.

Let’s have a look at Rojo’s last 10 opponents.

Jose Cotto- A career lightweight long past his best.

Luciano Cuello- Average at best.

Baldo- Would have been a decent win about 5 years ago.

Ndou- Ditto

Matt Hatton- Way out of his weight class and don’t be fooled by the ud. Had Hatton been able to crack an egg yolk never mind the shell Alvarez may have been in trouble several times in that fight.

Rhodes- A decent win but nothing to write home about

Gomez- Respect for the guy but by that time already a notch below gate keeper.

Cintron- A name sure but a fighter that has/had the mentality of a Med Fly.

Mosley- Again about 5 years past a time when he would have been able to put up a fight and in a weight class he has trouble with his entire career outside of the second Oscar fight.

Lopez- Ok a decent win over imo a credible guy that again was about two divisions out of his best weight class.

Has Alvarez even seen lateral movement and punch angles/selection close to Martinez at any point in his career? Has he ever fought a credible southpaw let alone one with the natural speed and ability of Sergio?

Besides, the only person Martinez would entertain coming down for in serious negotiations would be Floyd. And why should he consider it for Alvarez? He has more then paid his dues and is the Ring champ and probably world wide perceived champ at 160 which is also a weight Alvarez could make easily I might add. Alvarez on the other hand is another pampered pet and lets be honest paper champion. This is a classic empty call out.

Oscar should make a Chavez fight with his old buddy Bob in Mexico city.

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Let’s get real here. Alvarez knows full well that chances are Martinez will not be ready for a May date. In fact the chances are slim to none and slim just left the building. Martinez is talking about getting back into light training by April. I mean if you are going to wait for everyone to age out the least you could do is try one out when they are healthy.

Let’s have a look at Rojo’s last 10 opponents.

Jose Cotto- A career lightweight long past his best.

Luciano Cuello- Average at best.

Baldo- Would have been a decent win about 5 years ago.

Ndou- Ditto

Matt Hatton- Way out of his weight class and don’t be fooled by the ud. Had Hatton been able to crack an egg yolk never mind the shell Alvarez may have been in trouble several times in that fight.

Rhodes- A decent win but nothing to write home about

Gomez- Respect for the guy but by that time already a notch below gate keeper.

Cintron- A name sure but a fighter that has/had the mentality of a Med Fly.

Mosley- Again about 5 years past a time when he would have been able to put up a fight and in a weight class he has trouble with his entire career outside of the second Oscar fight.

Lopez- Ok a decent win over imo a credible guy that again was about two divisions out of his best weight class.

Has Alvarez even seen lateral movement and punch angles/selection close to Martinez at any point in his career? Has he ever fought a credible southpaw let alone one with the natural speed and ability of Sergio?

Besides, the only person Martinez would entertain coming down for in serious negotiations would be Floyd. And why should he consider it for Alvarez? He has more then paid his dues and is the Ring champ and probably world wide perceived champ at 160 which is also a weight Alvarez could make easily I might add. Alvarez on the other hand is another pampered pet and lets be honest paper champion. This is a classic empty call out.

Oscar should make a Chavez fight with his old buddy Bob in Mexico city.

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Read elsewhere that Canelo vs Martinez is BS.

Alvarez may not have fought anybody elite yet, but IMO he is the real thing. At his peak I think he'll be better than Martinez was at his own. But as most posters say this is a little bit early for him to be sure of winning this particular fight.
At this point it would still be a good fight, and while the odds are in Martinez's favour, Alvarez will not be schooled like chavez jr and has more than a big punch going for him.

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Alvarez may not have fought anybody elite yet, but IMO he is the real thing. At his peak I think he'll be better than Martinez was at his own. But as most posters say this is a little bit early for him to be sure of winning this particular fight.
At this point it would still be a good fight, and while the odds are in Martinez's favour, Alvarez will not be schooled like chavez jr and has more than a big punch going for him.

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I'm convinced of Canelo's combination punching and the pop on his punches. Since Rigberto Alvarez hurt him, I'm not convinced of his chin. Actions speak louder than words and Canelo has faced smaller guys for a while.

I can only see Sergio come down for Floyd or Pac Man, do not see him do it for Saul. Also do not see GBP risk him fight Sergio just yet as he has plenty of good fights at the weight already like the winner of Cotto/Trout.

But here's why I think Martinez would win, watch Canelo vs Alfanzo Gomez and heck even a tiny Matthew Hatton and you'll see he'll just go to sleep for a round or two for no reason. I like him and I know he has room to grow but think of it this way

Martinez is faster, yes Canelo throws fast punches but he's a power puncher and he needs to set his foots down, Martinez on the other hand punches well on the move and as such he is 'faster' or i should perhaphs say more Agile.

Martinez is the bigger puncher, that I don't tihnk need much explanation.

Martinez Jabs....yup he jabs, this game's easy if you got a good jab.

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Alvarez may not have fought anybody elite yet, but IMO he is the real thing. At his peak I think he'll be better than Martinez was at his own. But as most posters say this is a little bit early for him to be sure of winning this particular fight.
At this point it would still be a good fight, and while the odds are in Martinez's favour, Alvarez will not be schooled like chavez jr and has more than a big punch going for him.

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I'm convinced of Canelo's combination punching and the pop on his punches. Since Rigberto Alvarez hurt him, I'm not convinced of his chin. Actions speak louder than words and Canelo has faced smaller guys for a while.

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I didn't know anything about him being hurt by rigoberto. When, what happened? I saw him get hurt against Cotto, and I thought he responded well. Martinez on the other hand doesn't respond that well to being hurt. He was hurt by Chavez and I was a nervous wreck from watching him leave his chin out and not tie up his opponent. He's wasn't as bad as Ricky Hatton when hurt but still.

you are totally right about his opponents. He is virtually neck and neck with floyd mayweather in terms of numbers of professional fights but he has not made an equivalent step up in opposition. I don't think he is picking on midgets a'la donaire, but your point stands about picking opponents who he out powers. If his chin is suspect then he would struggle with martinez in the unlikely event they fight this year.

I don't think Martinez is leagues ahead of Canelo. I do think Canelo needs to improve his foot and hand speed. The main thing he gets hit by is right hands which might be because he throws his left hook a little wide.

*If i were training Canelo, i'd take a couple more fights before a Martinez fight... but truth is, i saw nothing but destruction when he fought Lopez. Lopez is a very good fighter that would've given anyone trouble.
Canelo is the real deal. Some said"chavez is stronger"..lol... Canelo has been calling out Chavez 5 fights ago...
Martinez won't make the final bell against Canelo. Martinez doesn't get hit much, but when he does...he's shaken. Whats gunna happen when Canelo unleashes those crazy fast and HARD combo's ... i see Martinez folding like a cheap seat. And please, don't tell me Martinez is gunna ko Canelo... if Martinez couldn't ko Chavez, he's not gunna ko Canelo.

With all due respect, Canelo beat a jr welterweight. Not his fault granted as he wanted to fight Williams and then Kirkland but you cannot gauge his strength and his ability to hurt his opponent when he's fighting a 140 pound fighter blown up to 154.

I've read that Martinez responds poorly to being knocked down but as we know he requires surgery on his knee and when was KD'ed by a very very big man in Chavez he stood toe to toe and was making good account of himself.

I suppose it all depends on how old He'll get after the surgery, he is 38 years old and boxing is a young man's game. If he fight Canelo with the same athleticism and presence of mind that he had when fighting Chavez I think what you'll see is Martinez turning Canelo and pop shotting the young power puncher.

Canelo ko 8

Read that Saul wants Floyd in May and Cotto later in the year which shows that Alvarez wants the best and no messing about for 2013.

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Read that Saul wants Floyd in May and Cotto later in the year which shows that Alvarez wants the best and no messing about for 2013.

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Musta knocked up his girlfriend and needs some baby moneys.

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Read that Saul wants Floyd in May and Cotto later in the year which shows that Alvarez wants the best and no messing about for 2013.

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Musta knocked up his girlfriend and needs some baby moneys.

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Or he feels he is ready for the big boys. I would take Cotto/Trout winner first then Floyd.

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Originally Posted by DavilaJones

With all due respect, Canelo beat a jr welterweight. Not his fault granted as he wanted to fight Williams and then Kirkland but you cannot gauge his strength and his ability to hurt his opponent when he's fighting a 140 pound fighter blown up to 154.

I've read that Martinez responds poorly to being knocked down but as we know he requires surgery on his knee and when was KD'ed by a very very big man in Chavez he stood toe to toe and was making good account of himself.

I suppose it all depends on how old He'll get after the surgery, he is 38 years old and boxing is a young man's game. If he fight Canelo with the same athleticism and presence of mind that he had when fighting Chavez I think what you'll see is Martinez turning Canelo and pop shotting the young power puncher.

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*A welterwieght? a blown up 154 pounder? Lopez had just Ko'ed Ortiz who's generally considered a big guy. Lopez looked in shape and sound. When does he not become "blown up"? Lopez would give anyone trouble...PERIOD. It was a great win cuz he litterally ran through Lopez. If Lopez is Blown up, what is Mayweather? Pac?..yet they r beating all comers.
If Canelo hits u, then u go down... that's the way it looked to me... i don't see where being may, pac , Cotto or Martinez is gunna make a diff. Canelo's defence is his offence, and right now, his offence is the best in the game.

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Originally Posted by DavilaJones

With all due respect, Canelo beat a jr welterweight. Not his fault granted as he wanted to fight Williams and then Kirkland but you cannot gauge his strength and his ability to hurt his opponent when he's fighting a 140 pound fighter blown up to 154.

I've read that Martinez responds poorly to being knocked down but as we know he requires surgery on his knee and when was KD'ed by a very very big man in Chavez he stood toe to toe and was making good account of himself.

I suppose it all depends on how old He'll get after the surgery, he is 38 years old and boxing is a young man's game. If he fight Canelo with the same athleticism and presence of mind that he had when fighting Chavez I think what you'll see is Martinez turning Canelo and pop shotting the young power puncher.

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*A welterwieght? a blown up 154 pounder? Lopez had just Ko'ed Ortiz who's generally considered a big guy. Lopez looked in shape and sound. When does he not become "blown up"? Lopez would give anyone trouble...PERIOD. It was a great win cuz he litterally ran through Lopez. If Lopez is Blown up, what is Mayweather? Pac?..yet they r beating all comers.
If Canelo hits u, then u go down... that's the way it looked to me... i don't see where being may, pac , Cotto or Martinez is gunna make a diff. Canelo's defence is his offence, and right now, his offence is the best in the game.

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You must be delusional to call that a great win.

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Originally Posted by DavilaJones

With all due respect, Canelo beat a jr welterweight. Not his fault granted as he wanted to fight Williams and then Kirkland but you cannot gauge his strength and his ability to hurt his opponent when he's fighting a 140 pound fighter blown up to 154.

I've read that Martinez responds poorly to being knocked down but as we know he requires surgery on his knee and when was KD'ed by a very very big man in Chavez he stood toe to toe and was making good account of himself.

I suppose it all depends on how old He'll get after the surgery, he is 38 years old and boxing is a young man's game. If he fight Canelo with the same athleticism and presence of mind that he had when fighting Chavez I think what you'll see is Martinez turning Canelo and pop shotting the young power puncher.

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*A welterwieght? a blown up 154 pounder? Lopez had just Ko'ed Ortiz who's generally considered a big guy. Lopez looked in shape and sound. When does he not become "blown up"? Lopez would give anyone trouble...PERIOD. It was a great win cuz he litterally ran through Lopez. If Lopez is Blown up, what is Mayweather? Pac?..yet they r beating all comers. If Canelo hits u, then u go down... that's the way it looked to me...i don't see where being may, pac , Cotto or Martinez is gunna make a diff. Canelo's defence is his offence, and right now, his offence is the best in the game.

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No.

It was his first fight at 154, if he were to fight two or three times at that weight class before Canelo then I wouldn't criticize the fight whatsoever but you cannot say that he really was a 154 pounder during that fight.