Iron Mike Tyson vs. Wladimir Klitschko

What kind of feeling of terror and impending doom would cut across Wladimir Klitschko's heart if he ever stepped in the ring with a prime Iron Mike Tyson of 1988?

How badly would his glass jaw and back peddling style be exposed by most ferocious human to ever enter a boxing ring? Tyson would literally pounce on Wlad like a lion and send a earth shaking left hook crashing into his jaw ... probably dislocating it and sending half a row of his teeth into the stands. A Tyson hook would viciously KO him even with his guard up. Even a jab would put his lights out, and it doesn't even have to land clean.

Tyson would most definitely end his career and brutality stop his brother as well. A lion cannot be wounded by a gazelle and no Klitschko can ever live with Mike Tyson, the king of boxing. No member of the human species could ever defeat a prime Iron Mike Tyson of 1988.

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Wlad is so push over!
We saw what happend when a fast David haye ent swinging with prime Roy jones precision and power and wlad saw it and was faster than a fly!
Tyson I think was too small. Not saying Tyson wins or loses but wlad is a big man

This is perhaps the most cerebral thread in years ! :D

For the record I'd pick Tyson, but naturally Wlad's height, jab, rabid clinching and boxing skills would pose a challenge.

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Wlad is so push over!
We saw what happend when a fast David haye ent swinging with prime Roy jones precision and power and wlad saw it and was faster than a fly!
Tyson I think was too small. Not saying Tyson wins or loses but wlad is a big man

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A bum like Steve Pannell put Wlad down ... fat and slow Sam Peter was able to hurt him ... Corrie Sanders hand speed bewildered and overwhelmed Wlad ... Lamon Brewsters aggression caused Wlad to panic and get KOed ... the list goes on and on and Iron Mike is the most ferocious, sharp, powerful, quick and elusive boxer Wlad would ever meet

Tyson's height and style makes him a difficult target for any heavyweight to hit ... Tyson would storm in and as soon as Wlad throws a single jab to try and check him he's getting clobbered by a massive bone crushing left hook ... prime Tyson also delivered hellacious body attacks ... Wlad doesn't have the close range fighting skills to beat Mike... and his arsenal of 3 punches, being the jab, left hook, and straight right hand is not going to save him from Mike .... and Mike ALWAYS fought guys bigger than him and they rarely posed much difficulty ...

No fighter with a questionable chin can survive with Tyson ... and we've already seen guys with fast hands, power, and aggressive styles dismantle Wlad and give him major problems ... again, who has a better combination of all of these skills than prime Tyson? Lighting fast combos ... otherworldly power ... overwhelming aggression ... evasive style ... all disastrous for Wladimir Klitschko

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Tyson batters the klits only Vitali survives to see the end bell but takes a pounding like Rudduck did.

Logic would say that Wlad's height, reach and sheer size would make it hard for Tyson. But Wlad's frailty and mental weakness sugget that Tyson would Ko him. Tyson by early ko for me.

I was a huge Tyson fan! I think he would KO Wlad inside 5 rounds! I actually think Vitali would have a shot at beating him. I don't think Tyson could KO Vitali and over 12 rounds (if you look at success that Bonecrusher had at times and Tucker at points during their fight), Vitali may have a shot. Dunno :-\

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I was a huge Tyson fan! I think he would KO Wlad inside 5 rounds! I actually think Vitali would have a shot at beating him. I don't think Tyson could KO Vitali and over 12 rounds (if you look at success that Bonecrusher had at times and Tucker at points during their fight), Vitali may have a shot. Dunno :-\

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Listen to yourself Big H, Bone crusher did sweet FA all the fight except right at the end. James lost every round. Tucker landed one uppercut in the first round. That was it. You had to count the times Tyson was hit properly on one hand in his prime, it was that rare.

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I was a huge Tyson fan! I think he would KO Wlad inside 5 rounds! I actually think Vitali would have a shot at beating him. I don't think Tyson could KO Vitali and over 12 rounds (if you look at success that Bonecrusher had at times and Tucker at points during their fight), Vitali may have a shot. Dunno :-\

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Listen to yourself Big H, Bone crusher did sweet FA all the fight except right at the end. James lost every round. Tucker landed one uppercut in the first round. That was it. You had to count the times Tyson was hit properly on one hand in his prime, it was that rare.

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Fighting who though? His opposition was poor in the 80's. The best opponent he faced in his "prime" was an over the hill Larry Holmes. I'd have taken a prime Larry to outbox Tyson.

I can't decide who would win between Tyson and Wlad but Wlad now is far better than any of Tysons opposition in his so called prime. Wlad would certainly give Tyson plenty to think about and if he just tried rushing in all night there is certainly a danger he will end up eating a lot of jabs and being worn down and stopped.

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I was a huge Tyson fan! I think he would KO Wlad inside 5 rounds! I actually think Vitali would have a shot at beating him. I don't think Tyson could KO Vitali and over 12 rounds (if you look at success that Bonecrusher had at times and Tucker at points during their fight), Vitali may have a shot. Dunno :-\

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Listen to yourself Big H, Bone crusher did sweet FA all the fight except right at the end. James lost every round. Tucker landed one uppercut in the first round. That was it. You had to count the times Tyson was hit properly on one hand in his prime, it was that rare.

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Doesn't matter at what stage Bonecrusher had success, he showed how you could get to Tyson. I'm not one of those who things Tyosn is overrated, but I still think Vitali would be a really hard fight to call

I agree completely that Tyson-Vitali could've gone either way and would be a hell of a fight. Anyone who actually thinks Wlad could handle a young Tyson has to have a word with themselves though imo.
To say so is basically suggesting Wlad would pitch a complete shut out without getting touched one time. Mike Tyson could cuff him in a clinch and it would be curtains for Wlad, really try to imagine him getting through a tough spot with Tyson, its laughable. The finish to that fight would most likely be comedy.

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I was a huge Tyson fan! I think he would KO Wlad inside 5 rounds! I actually think Vitali would have a shot at beating him. I don't think Tyson could KO Vitali and over 12 rounds (if you look at success that Bonecrusher had at times and Tucker at points during their fight), Vitali may have a shot. Dunno :-\

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Listen to yourself Big H, Bone crusher did sweet FA all the fight except right at the end. James lost every round. Tucker landed one uppercut in the first round. That was it. You had to count the times Tyson was hit properly on one hand in his prime, it was that rare.

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Doesn't matter at what stage Bonecrusher had success, he showed how you could get to Tyson. I'm not one of those who things Tyosn is overrated, but I still think Vitali would be a really hard fight to call

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Seriously Bonecrusher landed one big punch at the end of the fight, that was it.

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I was a huge Tyson fan! I think he would KO Wlad inside 5 rounds! I actually think Vitali would have a shot at beating him. I don't think Tyson could KO Vitali and over 12 rounds (if you look at success that Bonecrusher had at times and Tucker at points during their fight), Vitali may have a shot. Dunno :-\

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Listen to yourself Big H, Bone crusher did sweet FA all the fight except right at the end. James lost every round. Tucker landed one uppercut in the first round. That was it. You had to count the times Tyson was hit properly on one hand in his prime, it was that rare.

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Fighting who though? His opposition was poor in the 80's. The best opponent he faced in his "prime" was an over the hill Larry Holmes. I'd have taken a prime Larry to outbox Tyson.

I can't decide who would win between Tyson and Wlad but Wlad now is far better than any of Tysons opposition in his so called prime. Wlad would certainly give Tyson plenty to think about and if he just tried rushing in all night there is certainly a danger he will end up eating a lot of jabs and being worn down and stopped.

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If Tysons opposition was "poor" then what words describe glass jaw Wlad's competition??? Piss poor laughable and pathetic?? What does it mean when a C rated retired S African golfer who was around a 40-1 underdog can destroy him?

Spinks was an undefeated gold medalist and is lauded as one of the greatest LHW ever and Tyson annihilated him in 91 seconds. The man was coming off from three HUGE wins, two decisions over Holmes and a TKO victory over Cooney. Holmes was hardly over the hill or washed up, look at his record after Tyson and the names he has on his resume. Tyson was the only man to ever KO Holmes. Tony Tucker was also an excellent undefeated boxer with an excellent chin, great jab and was very athletic and mobile and at 6'5" he should've been able to keep Mike who was 6 inches shorter at bay with the jab yet he couldn't ... he even gave Lennox Lewis a hell of a fight even when he was past his prime. Lewis who is said to have a good resume has a bunch of Tyson left overs.

The fact that you can't decide destroys your credibility ... Tyson was a master at avoiding the jab and getting in range to get his punches off. Tyson would show no respect to him and if Wlad tries to actually fight with the man he's getting sent out on a stretcher within the first 30 seconds ... if Wlad decides to hold he lasts a little longer before Tyson crushes him. Tyson was able to out jab jabbers like Tony Tucker, he could probably out jab Wlad too.

If David Haye can dodge and avoid combinations from Wlad then what makes you think Iron Mike Tyson can't?? Tyson's defense and chin were first rate. It was hard to tag the guy with anything, even Larry Holmes who had the best jab ever couldn't keep Tyson away.

The only punch that Tyson was really vulnerable too was the uppercut, and Wlad doesn't have the punch in his arsenal.

If Tyson can KO guys that had never been KOed before like Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tubbs, and Larry Holmes what makes you think GLASS JAWED Wlad has a chance?? Tysons wins over a prime Razor Ruddock are easily greater than anything on Wlad's resume ... Ruddock was the most dangerous and feared heavyweight at the time and Tyson soundly defeated him in both fights and nearly ended his career ... he broke his jaw and ribs and Ruddock was never the same after that.

The prime Mike Tyson rips Wlads head off. Wlad has no chance in changing this to a scrap in a swimming pool.

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The prime Mike Tyson rips Wlads head off. Wlad has no chance in changing this to a scrap in a swimming pool.

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Prime Tyson was terror personified ... Wlad would never have a chance

NO ONE ever had the combination of power, speed, athleticism, skill, punching ability, elusiveness and durability that he had.

Easily top 5 all time in power
Easily top 5 all time in hand speed among the heavyweights
One of the best chins in heavyweight history, one of the hardest guys to ever hit and probably the best combination puncher in the history of the heavyweight division and definitely the most ferocious boxer that ever lived.

Wlad has 2 choices: Get DQ'ed for holding or get KTFO

Cus would have trained Tyson how to deal with Wlad's jab when it comes down to what Wlad does it's a very basic style, he's very effective at, nothing flashy at all about it.

But Cus would make Tyson avoid that jab and punish Wladmir to the body, Tyson's head movement and counter punching was very underrated and every time Wladimir reached with that jab his ribs would get punished, that plus Tyson's combination punching once he got inside would have hurt him. Also, Wladimir's love of holding I don't think he'd have faced someone quite as strong as Tyson was on the inside, and his arms would have freed up some body punching with the free hand and as hard as Tyson hit I don't know how much holding he'd want to do.

Tyson would break him down with his body punching, counter punching head movement, all around aggression and speed. I'd say an 8th round knockout for Tyson winning 5 rounds to 2 by the time of the knockout. Tyson's ability to bullrush you while avoiding every punch you were throwing to keep him off was something special to watch. Wladimir just wouldn't have been able to deal with it. Tyson's pace alone would be unlike anything he's had to deal with prior.

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Cus would have trained Tyson how to deal with Wlad's jab when it comes down to what Wlad does it's a very basic style, he's very effective at, nothing flashy at all about it.

But Cus would make Tyson avoid that jab and punish Wladmir to the body, Tyson's head movement and counter punching was very underrated and every time Wladimir reached with that jab his ribs would get punished, that plus Tyson's combination punching once he got inside would have hurt him. Also, Wladimir's love of holding I don't think he'd have faced someone quite as strong as Tyson was on the inside, and his arms would have freed up some body punching with the free hand and as hard as Tyson hit I don't know how much holding he'd want to do.

Tyson would break him down with his body punching, counter punching head movement, all around aggression and speed. I'd say an 8th round knockout for Tyson winning 5 rounds to 2 by the time of the knockout. Tyson's ability to bullrush you while avoiding every punch you were throwing to keep him off was something special to watch. Wladimir just wouldn't have been able to deal with it. Tyson's pace alone would be unlike anything he's had to deal with prior.

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Wlad doesn't last that long ... Vitali might, but Wlad would be finished within 2 or 3 max

The Wlad prior to Manny teaching him how to clinch and lean on would have been killed. Worse then Louis/Carnera. Wlads epiphany style of grappling when threatened may win him the day if he were fighting the same Tyson Douglas did.

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The Wlad prior to Manny teaching him how to clinch and lean on would have been killed. Worse then Louis/Carnera. Wlads epiphany style of grappling when threatened may win him the day if he were fighting the same Tyson Douglas did.

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That 8th round uppercut that Douglas took would've smashed Wlad's jaw, broken his neck and leave him convulsing on the canvas

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The Wlad prior to Manny teaching him how to clinch and lean on would have been killed. Worse then Louis/Carnera. Wlads epiphany style of grappling when threatened may win him the day if he were fighting the same Tyson Douglas did.

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That 8th round uppercut that Douglas took would've smashed Wlad's jaw, broken his neck and leave him convulsing on the canvas

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Just giving him the benefit of doubt given that was not a prime Tyson. Long ruined by Don King.

El Kabong, you're dead wrong!


Just noticed you were viewing the thread thought I'd save a few people the time ;D

Wlad's chin is so bad, I say Tyson probably wobbles him by throwing one of his famous forearms or elbows during the clinches. So Tyson brutally kos him within 3. With Vitali I say it goes the distance but who wins is a different kind of question.

The chin is the only issue for Wlad. Other than that, his style is great to go against Tyson. Tyson would more than likely catch Wlad and follow up maybe around 2-5. If Wlad makes it past 5 its his fight to lose.

Tyson doesn't beat Vitali.

All this "Tyson was unbeatable with Cus" is bullcrap. Tyson was vulnerable and he would have been battered by plenty of fighters.

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All this "Tyson was unbeatable with Cus" is bullcrap. Tyson was vulnerable and he would have been battered by plenty of fighters.

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That is true, but one of those fighters ain't Wlad. If someone were to say Vitali has a good chance of beating Tyson, that wouldn't be so laughable. But china chin Wlad? Hell, I say Amir Khan for his own weight class has a better chin than Wlad.

Yeah yeah glad you're being reasonable about it

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The chin is the only issue for Wlad. Other than that, his style is great to go against Tyson. Tyson would more than likely catch Wlad and follow up maybe around 2-5. If Wlad makes it past 5 its his fight to lose.

Tyson doesn't beat Vitali.

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Vitali couldnt beat an old, shot Lewis who took the fight against him on short notice after Vitali paid Kirk Johnson to let him fight Lewis instead

He nearly gets blinded and has half of his face mauled off against the only ATG (who was practically retired at the time) he faces and he's going to last against Tyson?

Please try and rationally explain how he's going to beat Tyson when pension collecting, retired shot Corrie Sanders nearly had him out in round 1? If Sanders' hand speed bothered him then imagine what his fate would be against Iron Mike? That stupid awkward style of his is exactly what Mike preys on. Tyson was the master at punching at angles ... he would get in range and start pounding his body and Vitali would lean back and back track towards the ropes where he would be at Mike's mercy.

If an athletic, mobile stone chinned Tony Tucker who was far more skilled than Vitali loses a decision against Mike then how would Vitali survive? You need more than just size to beat Mike ... Vitali will either hold and lose a decision or get stopped in the middle rounds. Vitali doesn't have the power to make Tyson earn his respect nor does he have the skill to keep him away.

Vitali couldn't even hit Chris Byrd clean and damaged his shoulder from MISSING. Tyson would put a beat down on him. I see him being finished the same way Bruno was in the second Tyson fight ... getting mauled when trying to hold on for dear life.

Vitali is only a "beast" in Klitschko land, full of fantasies and myths. In reality his record is piss poor, even worst than Wlad's and he never even fought a contender ranked higher than #3. His style of keeping his hands low and chin exposed will spell disaster for his chances against the most accurate, most powerful, explosive boxer to ever live. A lethal, lighting fast combination started with a right hook to the body, left hook to the jaw followed up with another right to the head of Vitali Klitschko would end his night.

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All this "Tyson was unbeatable with Cus" is bullcrap. Tyson was vulnerable and he would have been battered by plenty of fighters.

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Please tell me any fight that Tyson looked "vulnerable" from when Cus was around? Or rather I'll extend this to include Rooney.

You're a fucking moron. The "Cus style" changed 0 from the days of Floyd Patterson and eventually Tuson would have run into his Sonny Liston. It could have easily been Foreman but all his defeats are chalked up to "He was past his prime".....bullcrap he just finally hit a fighter that stood up to him.

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You're a fucking moron. The "Cus style" changed 0 from the days of Floyd Patterson and eventually Tuson would have run into his Sonny Liston. It could have easily been Foreman but all his defeats are chalked up to "He was past his prime".....bullcrap he just finally hit a fighter that stood up to him.

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Yeah fucktard because Berbick, Ruddock, Tucker and all of the others just stood there and let him punch them. Carl Williams fought back and "stood up to him" and we saw what happened to him. This stupid, fanatical idea that Tyson would just crumble if someone would fight back is childlike reasoning. The Douglas fight was the greatest upset in boxing history where the stars aligned and everything went perfect for Douglas and wrong for Tyson. Why do you think Mike was so eager to get a rematch done with him? He knew it was a fluke, an aberration, a stroke of luck. Douglas knew it too but he didn't want the mystique of that fight to be dispelled which is why he never fought him again. Its not the same as Wlad who gets ready to get KTFO every time he gets hit clean.

And Tyson's style was slightly different from Pattersons, and his chin and power combined with his hand speed were far superior.

Wlad is a carbon copy of Lennox Lewis but far more cautious with less in his arsenal of punches. And an even worse chin than Lennox. Lewis could fight at mid range and inside, Wlad is holding on for dear life as soon as someone closes in.

Only retards believe that Mike would lose to old Foreman ... who was out boxed by Holyfield and glass jawed Tommy Morrison. Holyfields attack had him dazed, what's going to happen with a much faster, harder hitting opponent?

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All this "Tyson was unbeatable with Cus" is bullcrap. Tyson was vulnerable and he would have been battered by plenty of fighters.

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That is true, but one of those fighters ain't Wlad. If someone were to say Vitali has a good chance of beating Tyson, that wouldn't be so laughable. But china chin Wlad? Hell, I say Amir Khan for his own weight class has a better chin than Wlad.

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Amir Khan doesn't get ready to go with every clean shot he is hit by, like Wlad

his whole style is based upon protecting his fragile jaw


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Everyone seems to be comparing to the Knockoutable Wlad of old. Manny Stewart changed his defence and basically his entire style when it comes to movement.

Wlad now very rarely get hit at all, and it has been years since he was last badly troubled.

I agree Mike Tyson on '88 would have beaten Wlad, but that wouldnt be because of wlads "Glass Chin".

That would simple be because NOBODY could have stopped Tyson in '88.

Prime tyson beats any wlad.
Prime tyson beats any vitali.

Try to ignore hindsight in any of our answers and just jump back in time and put the klit brothers in the ring with a prime tyson.

Vitali is stronger and would have had the better chance but the brothers dont handle speed to well and mike tyson is one the most fastest and peek a boo explosive heavyweight fighters of all time.

I agree with the comment mentioned about Wlad being another weaker version of lennox lewis but with a weaker chin and far more defensive.

Wlad is a far better fighter guy now and comes across very well as a champion but its very obvious the answer to this one.

A prime 1988 Tyson would scare the shit out of Wlad,he would freeze , and Tyson would be all over him like a bad suit.Tyson ko rd 2.

:rolleyes: you Tyson nuthuggers

Oh the magic of Cus and Rooney :vd: ...that's why Rooney has had so many great fighters since Tyson right?

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The chin is the only issue for Wlad. Other than that, his style is great to go against Tyson. Tyson would more than likely catch Wlad and follow up maybe around 2-5. If Wlad makes it past 5 its his fight to lose.

Tyson doesn't beat Vitali.

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Ok buddy who the fuck are you and what did you do with Lyle?

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The chin is the only issue for Wlad. Other than that, his style is great to go against Tyson. Tyson would more than likely catch Wlad and follow up maybe around 2-5. If Wlad makes it past 5 its his fight to lose.

Tyson doesn't beat Vitali.

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Ok buddy who the fuck are you and what did you do with Lyle?

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Fuck off go try and be cute to someone else

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The chin is the only issue for Wlad. Other than that, his style is great to go against Tyson. Tyson would more than likely catch Wlad and follow up maybe around 2-5. If Wlad makes it past 5 its his fight to lose.

Tyson doesn't beat Vitali.

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Ok buddy who the fuck are you and what did you do with Lyle?

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Fuck off go try and be cute to someone else

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So which is it?
Wlad beats Tyson with his left hand tied behind his back?
Or Tyson "around 2-5"?

You sure are confusing with your flip-flopping.

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The chin is the only issue for Wlad. Other than that, his style is great to go against Tyson. Tyson would more than likely catch Wlad and follow up maybe around 2-5. If Wlad makes it past 5 its his fight to lose.

Tyson doesn't beat Vitali.

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Ok buddy who the fuck are you and what did you do with Lyle?

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Fuck off go try and be cute to someone else

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So which is it?
Wlad beats Tyson with his left hand tied behind his back?
Or Tyson "around 2-5"?

You sure are confusing with your flip-flopping.

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It's a hypothetical situation dumb ass Tyson could win or not I gave my account of what's likely to happen. But go right ahead and be a twat about it

I just dont go for the TYSON in 88 was unstoppable , yes he ripped through the HW's but he was beatable , he just fought poor fighters , when Tyson faced better fighters who fought back he lost via KO , he was not unbeatable.
Lets also not forget Tyson was a very small HW , he never faced anyone who was the size of Vitali , Smith was 16 stone 4 , i loved watching Tyson in his prime but he was over rated.

....finally someone with some logic enters the thread. Let's not forget that D'Mato and Rooney pressure fighters burned out early regardless of their greatness