Who wins and why?
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Who wins and why?
I think it will break compubox numbers for most feigns ever in a fight but it will be a mental chessmatch of perhaps the highest caliber. I think Rigo will win for one reason, Donaire does seem to want to go for the K.O and from time to time you see him get bored in a fight against a defensive opponent. Rigo on the other hand is focused throughout. As far as power goes I think both of them can bang the other pretty good and Rigo was hurt twice by a mean left hook and if Nonito does connect I'm sure it will do massive damage.
Still I think Guillermo will win simply because he'll bide his time and be patient enough for an opportunity.
Rigo has the skills to pay the bills. I think he can make Donaire actually miss a few shots, and he can counter to boot.
Donaire right now on the cards, but I want to see how Rigo looks in another fight. I think Donaire will win the close rounds.
Right now I'd go Rigo. He's just more natural and fluid in his own skin and hand speed to spare. Donaire poses too much for me and forces the issue with bombs. I could see him running into a counter off a counter and he's doing himself no favors battering an Arce to prep for Rigo. I think Donaire and Mares will happen though.
But, who has Rigo beat as a professional? Was Robert Marroquin the way to prepare for Donaire? For me it's hard to get the Cordoba fight out of my head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
It's not like Rigo is any faster than Donaire, nor does he have more pop. Is it possible Rigo is more patient, calculated and accurate than Donaire? Sure, but Donaire is far more battle tested as a professional than Rigo. Far more. He's the safe bet in my opinion.
Not doubting the accumulative battle tested as Donaire has 3 times as many professional fights afterall. Considering Rigo has a grand total of 11 pro starts I actually think the Cordoba war, coming off the floor to eek it out only six fights in was a much needed acid test. He's done quite well for himself. Donaire had yet to even face a guy with a winning record by then.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratBut, who has Rigo beat as a professional? Was Robert Marroquin the way to prepare for Donaire? For me it's hard to get the Cordoba fight out of my head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
It's not like Rigo is any faster than Donaire, nor does he have more pop. Is it possible Rigo is more patient, calculated and accurate than Donaire? Sure, but Donaire is far more battle tested as a professional than Rigo. Far more. He's the safe bet in my opinion.
There is absolutly no dening Donairs run and obvious talent but personally I'm just not terribly impressed with his last few. Posing, posturing and I honestly think he plays with fire trying way too hard to hit the homerun ball rather than just settle down. He sort of fights uptight for a guy who has been in one way traffic for a helluva long time and I think Rigos natural weight, speed and style is leaps and bounds ahead of what he faced with hard nut Vasquez jr, gangly Mathebula or a Nishioka who though capable totally kept his hands in his pockets and turned it prevent defense. I think Rigo should take a couple more fights but if its possible like you say for a guy of Rigos skill to in fact be more patient...calculated...and accurate I call it more even money and less safe bet. Those three win fights and can be the key to timing a guy who loads up and can be left hook happy. Style. I don't think we'll know though. Mares has a feel of happening very soon.
Donaire by ko or tko. Rigo fights like he's wearing head gear and enters late after 400 fights. That will work with his athletic ability a step below.
Mares/Donaire for me.
Donaire probably on the cards. I see it being a little like Khan-McCloskey. Donaire will bang away at him while Rigo waits and waits. He'll just get outworked.
We're on the same page. However, just so we're clear, I believe Rigo is a beast with a capital "B." I'm a big fan. If Rigo-Donaire happens, I'm there. It'll be high-level boxing with two guys who also have pop. And you might be right with your opinion that this is Rigo's natural weight, and Donaire might have been better suited at bantamweight. I'll be an argumentative prick and suggest that Donaire moved up in weight this year so it's good that he is cleaning out the division before facing Abner Mares and Guillermo Rigondeaux, the other two best at this weight. Can we agree that Donaire has done a better job of cleaning out the division than Rigo and Mares? If Donaire beats them, he will have literally cleaned out a division after moving up in weight, which in this day and age, doesn't happen that often.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliNot doubting the accumulative battle tested as Donaire has 3 times as many professional fights afterall. Considering Rigo has a grand total of 11 pro starts I actually think the Cordoba war, coming off the floor to eek it out only six fights in was a much needed acid test. He's done quite well for himself. Donaire had yet to even face a guy with a winning record by then.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratBut, who has Rigo beat as a professional? Was Robert Marroquin the way to prepare for Donaire? For me it's hard to get the Cordoba fight out of my head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
It's not like Rigo is any faster than Donaire, nor does he have more pop. Is it possible Rigo is more patient, calculated and accurate than Donaire? Sure, but Donaire is far more battle tested as a professional than Rigo. Far more. He's the safe bet in my opinion.
There is absolutly no dening Donairs run and obvious talent but personally I'm just not terribly impressed with his last few. Posing, posturing and I honestly think he plays with fire trying way too hard to hit the homerun ball rather than just settle down. He sort of fights uptight for a guy who has been in one way traffic for a helluva long time and I think Rigos natural weight, speed and style is leaps and bounds ahead of what he faced with hard nut Vasquez jr, gangly Mathebula or a Nishioka who though capable totally kept his hands in his pockets and turned it prevent defense. I think Rigo should take a couple more fights but if its possible like you say for a guy of Rigos skill to in fact be more patient...calculated...and accurate I call it more even money and less safe bet. Those three win fights and can be the key to timing a guy who loads up and can be left hook happy. Style. I don't think we'll know though. Mares has a feel of happening very soon.
I understand how you feel about Donaire with regard to his posturing and that he seems to be continually waiting for that perfect punch. It can be annoying, like where's the jab to set things up? When is he going to do the basics to get things done? I hear you. My opinion is that Donaire is that good that he can sort of afford to do that kind of stuff, if that makes sense. But, listen, I'm a fan. I think he's one of those talents that in every given era, there are only a handful of in boxing. Look at the legacy he's put together, the KO over Darchinyan at flyweight, the KO over Hernan Marquez at super flyweight, the KO over Montiel at bantamweight, and the KO over Nishioka at super bantamweight. When he fought each of those guys, they were the top dog in their division. Add to that the win over Omar Narvaez, which is underrated in my opinion because the fight wasn't aesthetically pleasing. However, Narvaez has gone on to quite a lengthy string of title defenses. If he beat Mares, and/or Rigo, we would have to start comparing him on a historical basis to really elite guys.
I think Donaire KOs him too. Rigo was wobbled twice in his last fight and he hasn't fought anything like the level of competition Donaire has. Donaire likes fighting southpaws too. Donaire outboxes him and sparks him with a left hook.
I don't know how big a left hooker Rigo's opponent really is, see if that dude could bang as hard as Donaire and Rigo was still left standing then you could really argue that his whisker is up to par to Donaire's fist. Though that's all a big IF the opponent was a banger.
However you can also say another thing, since he realized he's been getting tagged by a left hook then perhaps he could formulate a better battle plan to deal with monstrous left hookers.
Brother I think you are just about right on. Donaire is one I don't doubt all and all and the Vic and Montiel kos were as painful and impressive as it gets. The only asterisk for me is that while one can say he is just that good to get away with loading up and be frustrating, I get that, he looks like he is developing bad habits and going through the motions vs last few. But you also cannot argue with the end game on his part...clear points wins doing what you do in last to over matched dudes, close the show. He can't be knocked for that. I just wish he would notch down the legend speak and trying to force some spectacular finish with almost every obvious set up. That is where it may catch up to him vs Rigo or Mares. He has had spots where he feints to counter and it is so forced he goes off rythm. A guy who waits also, just as fast will have more than a few points to land. That being said should he defeat them I'll be the first to say job well done. I just see him having more issues with Rigo than Mares when I think about it!? The good thing is I really think we'll find out soon. I put Mares v Donaire right up on the most anticipated list!Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratWe're on the same page. However, just so we're clear, I believe Rigo is a beast with a capital "B." I'm a big fan. If Rigo-Donaire happens, I'm there. It'll be high-level boxing with two guys who also have pop. And you might be right with your opinion that this is Rigo's natural weight, and Donaire might have been better suited at bantamweight. I'll be an argumentative prick and suggest that Donaire moved up in weight this year so it's good that he is cleaning out the division before facing Abner Mares and Guillermo Rigondeaux, the other two best at this weight. Can we agree that Donaire has done a better job of cleaning out the division than Rigo and Mares? If Donaire beats them, he will have literally cleaned out a division after moving up in weight, which in this day and age, doesn't happen that often.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliNot doubting the accumulative battle tested as Donaire has 3 times as many professional fights afterall. Considering Rigo has a grand total of 11 pro starts I actually think the Cordoba war, coming off the floor to eek it out only six fights in was a much needed acid test. He's done quite well for himself. Donaire had yet to even face a guy with a winning record by then.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratBut, who has Rigo beat as a professional? Was Robert Marroquin the way to prepare for Donaire? For me it's hard to get the Cordoba fight out of my head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
It's not like Rigo is any faster than Donaire, nor does he have more pop. Is it possible Rigo is more patient, calculated and accurate than Donaire? Sure, but Donaire is far more battle tested as a professional than Rigo. Far more. He's the safe bet in my opinion.
There is absolutly no dening Donairs run and obvious talent but personally I'm just not terribly impressed with his last few. Posing, posturing and I honestly think he plays with fire trying way too hard to hit the homerun ball rather than just settle down. He sort of fights uptight for a guy who has been in one way traffic for a helluva long time and I think Rigos natural weight, speed and style is leaps and bounds ahead of what he faced with hard nut Vasquez jr, gangly Mathebula or a Nishioka who though capable totally kept his hands in his pockets and turned it prevent defense. I think Rigo should take a couple more fights but if its possible like you say for a guy of Rigos skill to in fact be more patient...calculated...and accurate I call it more even money and less safe bet. Those three win fights and can be the key to timing a guy who loads up and can be left hook happy. Style. I don't think we'll know though. Mares has a feel of happening very soon.
I understand how you feel about Donaire with regard to his posturing and that he seems to be continually waiting for that perfect punch. It can be annoying, like where's the jab to set things up? When is he going to do the basics to get things done? I hear you. My opinion is that Donaire is that good that he can sort of afford to do that kind of stuff, if that makes sense. But, listen, I'm a fan. I think he's one of those talents that in every given era, there are only a handful of in boxing. Look at the legacy he's put together, the KO over Darchinyan at flyweight, the KO over Hernan Marquez at super flyweight, the KO over Montiel at bantamweight, and the KO over Nishioka at super bantamweight. When he fought each of those guys, they were the top dog in their division. Add to that the win over Omar Narvaez, which is underrated in my opinion because the fight wasn't aesthetically pleasing. However, Narvaez has gone on to quite a lengthy string of title defenses. If he beat Mares, and/or Rigo, we would have to start comparing him on a historical basis to really elite guys.
Agreed. Marroquin had Rigondeaux stiff legged twice in their fight. It was for just a few seconds but Donaire will do much better, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
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Originally Posted by beenKOedAgreed. Marroquin had Rigondeaux stiff legged twice in their fight. It was for just a few seconds but Donaire will do much better, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
He is well trained and poorly educated.That training gave him only 12 loses in 400 fights but imo given his age I think it also fails him at the top as a pro. Its almost a different sport.
People are not gonna give Rigo his just due because he's a world champion so early. But do people really want to not see Rigo vs Donaire? When I was growing up I thought it was about unifying titles. Rigo was wobbled thats a part of boxing. Everyone says he hasnt fought anyone. He wont really get the credit til top dogs accept and these promoters make it happen. its a high risk fight and I think boxers and promoters are scared. There is no way arce got a shot and Rigo cant. Rigo has a decent buzz now but promoters and fighters know its a high risk and low reward. With that being said. Mares/donaire will move up in weight before they fight Rigo.
Rigo doesn't look like he can hold a shot. Donaire's left hook would put him to sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedAgreed. Marroquin had Rigondeaux stiff legged twice in their fight. It was for just a few seconds but Donaire will do much better, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Your point is that it makes no sense to fight Rigo? I somewhat agree. It only makes sense from a legacy perspective. It's not like fans are flocking to see Donaire versus Rigo, at least not in the same way that they would be excited about Donaire vs. Mares.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrorsid
Yea I agree with you cause id like to see abner vs donaire first. And id like to see mares vs rigo. Im a big fight fan so everything I say might not make sense but I do feel like all three boxers need to get it on. Boxing match matching fucking sucks lolQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratYour point is that it makes no sense to fight Rigo? I somewhat agree. It only makes sense from a legacy perspective. It's not like fans are flocking to see Donaire versus Rigo, at least not in the same way that they would be excited about Donaire vs. Mares.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrorsid
By the way, I read earlier today that there is a provision in Rigo's contract extension requiring a Donaire fight within his next three fights, which means I bet we see Rigo-Donaire very soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrorsidYea I agree with you cause id like to see abner vs donaire first. And id like to see mares vs rigo. Im a big fight fan so everything I say might not make sense but I do feel like all three boxers need to get it on. Boxing match matching fucking sucks lolQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratYour point is that it makes no sense to fight Rigo? I somewhat agree. It only makes sense from a legacy perspective. It's not like fans are flocking to see Donaire versus Rigo, at least not in the same way that they would be excited about Donaire vs. Mares.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrorsid
Well that would be nice to see. Test Rigo and see what he's really made of. Donaire should fight Mares first then Rigo. Mares has been working hard and i can only see it being fair if he fought Donaire.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratBy the way, I read earlier today that there is a provision in Rigo's contract extension requiring a Donaire fight within his next three fights, which means I bet we see Rigo-Donaire very soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrorsidYea I agree with you cause id like to see abner vs donaire first. And id like to see mares vs rigo. Im a big fight fan so everything I say might not make sense but I do feel like all three boxers need to get it on. Boxing match matching fucking sucks lolQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratYour point is that it makes no sense to fight Rigo? I somewhat agree. It only makes sense from a legacy perspective. It's not like fans are flocking to see Donaire versus Rigo, at least not in the same way that they would be excited about Donaire vs. Mares.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrorsid
Rigo was a great aumuter, but as a pro still got a lot to learn he may well be a Champion but I feel
it's to soon to face Donaire. We must remember there are some, good contenders out there for Rigo
let him face 2 or 3 of them if he can beat them!, Donaire I feel would ko him in about 6 rounds at
this point in Rigo's career, if Donaire hit's him he will stay down fact.:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf7pHpEuNLw
Dont know if Rigo can take that old style power, Donaire fights off the ropes and fights in tight like an old school fighter not sure if Rigo (who Ive only just started watching ) can evade and counter without getting tagged and dropped. Id have liked to see Rigo have a tough battle under his belt before this one. Im still going to buy it if it comes around and go for the underdog.
This indestructible Donaire stuff on boxing forums generally is getting a little over the top. Yes he's good and yes he has a nice hook but while moving up in weight on fight night it has been quite obvious he was the bigger man. Starting with Sydorenko. It looked like he was fighting a kid. Against Rigo he is fighting a bigger man on fight night that is faster then he is. His chin is getting checked.
My mind is set on a Donaire victory and im wagering a few Gs on this fight..
Only thing I havent decided on is whether or not Donaire will win via TKO... I seriously think Rigo will get tagged hard and often and there's a high possibility of a stoppage..
Rigondeaux got his chin checked in his last fight and was wobbled twice. Donaire is going to spark him.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
I'm backing Donaire
I think he wins a decision but the potential for a KO is there
He's reckless and no doubt that could cost him. Its probably bad habits brought forth by having over 400 amateur fights. He can be sloppy in the pocket. You can get away with that with head gear and heavy gloves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingRigondeaux got his chin checked in his last fight and was wobbled twice. Donaire is going to spark him.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
I think this is such a tough one to call. Rigo is one of the most skilled boxers ever. Donaire is a top 5 p4p at the moment. I have to make Donaire fav. He has fought the better opponents and has more experience as a pro. Rigo has been a mix bag since going pro looking brilliant for a few rounds and not so good other times. In saying that he fought Cordoba in his 7th pro fight and Ramos in his 9th. Unheard of a fighter to be fighting this level after so few fights, so much respect for him. I'd make Donaire 4/9, Rigo 7/4 and the Draw 20/1.
Rigondeaux getting blood taken
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef1vBM96F_I
Anyone able to translate?
"Look SNITCH, already got my blood drawn. So you can't come out and say I never got the blood drawn. Let's go Nonito, you LAB RAT"
I think that's what he said