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Why is Ward so against Froch-Kessler 2??
http://www.boxingscene.com/andre-ward-rips-froch-kessler-ii-jabs-carl-eddie-hearn--60832
I don't see the problem with Froch-Kessler 2 in the slightest it was a lot more exciting that Froch-Ward or Kessler-Ward and it was a very close fight. I don't see any problem with Froch wanting to avenge the loss and Froch is highly rated after battering Bute. Ward is fighting Pavlik, how is that a good fight?
I have no doubt that if Froch can beat Kessler he would love to fight Ward again, why does Ward think Froch wouldn't want this rematch too? Froch has said on many occasions he wants the rematch but after Kessler. I think Ward is annoyed because he's not in the limelight.
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I think it's because he knows he isn't in the top ten supermids when it comes to excitement!
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He knows he doesn't have to be beaten to be the number 1!!
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Re: Why is Ward so against Froch-Kessler 2??
It kills me at the degree that Joe is scrutinized and this man isn't. Froch/Kessler 2 is a mistake but him v Pavlik is not?
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Tam Seddon
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I don't see the problem with Froch-Kessler 2 in the slightest it was a lot more exciting that Froch-Ward or Kessler-Ward and it was a very close fight. I don't see any problem with Froch wanting to avenge the loss and Froch is highly rated after battering Bute. Ward is fighting Pavlik, how is that a good fight?
I have no doubt that if Froch can beat Kessler he would love to fight Ward again, why does Ward think Froch wouldn't want this rematch too? Froch has said on many occasions he wants the rematch but after Kessler. I think Ward is annoyed because he's not in the limelight.
Ward isn't in the "limelight" for a reason, he just isn't a popular champion, it's also the reason Ward doesn't get PPV money. In re: Froch vs Ward II, what other big name/money fight is there for Ward @168? So I can't imagine why he wouldn't want the fight, unless of course it's because Froch wants it in Nottingham. ;)
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It kills me at the degree that Joe is scrutinized and this man isn't. Froch/Kessler 2 is a mistake but him v Pavlik is not?
It's just that Ward really doesn't have anyone to fight aside from those two. Pavlik is probably the biggest money/name scalp out there, if he's stupid enough to sign to fight Ward then we're stuck with that.
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Hes just a bitter little bitch.
Hes jealous that Froch is now a bigger name than him because of the Bute fight. Also, he probably wants to point out that the Mack fight means nothing because Mack was weight drained but he cant say that now can he... ;D
No matter what Ward does, he will never be a big money fighter. Hes not all that skilled, or has power. Hes fragile and needs to hold. Bika had him hurt and he ran and held. He put alot of fans off with that awfull showing against Kessler. His whole "style" is just disrupting the rythm of another fighter, which for him means holding and rubbing his head in.
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Hes just a bitter little bitch.
Hes jealous that Froch is now a bigger name than him because of the Bute fight. Also, he probably wants to point out that the Mack fight means nothing because Mack was weight drained but he cant say that now can he... ;D
No matter what Ward does, he will never be a big money fighter. Hes not all that skilled, or has power. Hes fragile and needs to hold. Bika had him hurt and he ran and held. He put alot of fans off with that awfull showing against Kessler. His whole "style" is just disrupting the rythm of another fighter, which for him means holding and rubbing his head in.
So what you're saying is Froch lost to a fragile, unskilled fighter with no power, right? That can't be good
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Hes just a bitter little bitch.
Hes jealous that Froch is now a bigger name than him because of the Bute fight. Also, he probably wants to point out that the Mack fight means nothing because Mack was weight drained but he cant say that now can he... ;D
No matter what Ward does, he will never be a big money fighter. Hes not all that skilled, or has power. Hes fragile and needs to hold. Bika had him hurt and he ran and held. He put alot of fans off with that awfull showing against Kessler. His whole "style" is just disrupting the rythm of another fighter, which for him means holding and rubbing his head in.
So what you're saying is Froch lost to a fragile, unskilled fighter with no power, right? That can't be good
Exactly.
I like froch but ward had his number in that fight. I am sure froch has a better chance than anyone in winning the rematch but while thats not happening, ward needs to stay busy and keep fighting.
At least ward is prepared to give rematches and the win over southpaw dawson was quite an impressive fight.
Ward is getting better..every fight.
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As I have always said, Froch isnt very skilled but has deluded himself in to thinking he is. His strength is litterally his strength. If he gets a match with Ward he just needs to pour it on and not try and box with Ward. Im sure he could do what Nika did. In fact Froch is better skilled than Bika. He needs to do what I said he needed to do against Bute and that was to stop trying to load up and just make the punches land and start faster and he did it and even said in the interview after thefight that he was told by McCracken not to load up, just work and start sooner.
If he can do that against Ward he would have Ward in his little desperate mode much earlier then he can turn it up and make him wilt.
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Re: Why is Ward so against Froch-Kessler 2??
Ward is the best at Super Middleweight and one the P4P best simply because he's very smart and technically superior to everyone else. Unfortunately, this doesn't always mean "excitement".
Froch on the other hand is a crude boxer and powerful fighter who's willing to slug it out. He's more exciting than Ward.
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Ward is the best at Super Middleweight and one the P4P best simply because he's very smart and technically superior to everyone else. Unfortunately, this doesn't always mean "excitement".
Froch on the other hand is a crude boxer and powerful fighter who's willing to slug it out. He's more exciting than Ward.
Holding is not skill!!!
When Mayweather fought Ortiz who was probably the strongest fighter he had fought he didnt just lurch in to hold.
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mightyfighter
Ward is the best at Super Middleweight and one the P4P best simply because he's very smart and technically superior to everyone else. Unfortunately, this doesn't always mean "excitement".
Froch on the other hand is a crude boxer and powerful fighter who's willing to slug it out. He's more exciting than Ward.
Holding is not skill!!!
When Mayweather fought Ortiz who was probably the strongest fighter he had fought he didnt just lurch in to hold.
Ricky Hatton would tell you otherwise
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Ward beat froch that's true but ward knows that regardless of his hand he was fucking puffing in round 9 and fear was sinking in like with Taylor!
He realised froch is rocky balboa in the flesh but with great skill!
Froch is no douche/slouch!
He is a very good boxer and better slugger!
What he did to Johnson is what he would have done to hagler!!
Ward knows he might lose to froch and froch is the only guy in the last and future 200 years that could beat him in any weight so he wants Hearn to make him a huge 5-10 million offer to make it worth the loss!
Ward is so protected by USA and the fans protect him too!
He is a paper champ and is what is wrong with boxing!
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Hes just a bitter little bitch.
Hes jealous that Froch is now a bigger name than him because of the Bute fight. Also, he probably wants to point out that the Mack fight means nothing because Mack was weight drained but he cant say that now can he... ;D
No matter what Ward does, he will never be a big money fighter. Hes not all that skilled, or has power. Hes fragile and needs to hold. Bika had him hurt and he ran and held. He put alot of fans off with that awfull showing against Kessler. His whole "style" is just disrupting the rythm of another fighter, which for him means holding and rubbing his head in.
So what you're saying is Froch lost to a fragile, unskilled fighter with no power, right? That can't be good
Exactly.
I like froch but ward had his number in that fight. I am sure froch has a better chance than anyone in winning the rematch but while thats not happening, ward needs to stay busy and keep fighting.
At least ward is prepared to give rematches and the win over southpaw dawson was quite an impressive fight.
Ward is getting better..every fight.
dawson isn't very good. beating him is no great accomplishment.
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Hes just a bitter little bitch.
Hes jealous that Froch is now a bigger name than him because of the Bute fight. Also, he probably wants to point out that the Mack fight means nothing because Mack was weight drained but he cant say that now can he... ;D
No matter what Ward does, he will never be a big money fighter. Hes not all that skilled, or has power. Hes fragile and needs to hold. Bika had him hurt and he ran and held. He put alot of fans off with that awfull showing against Kessler. His whole "style" is just disrupting the rythm of another fighter, which for him means holding and rubbing his head in.
So what you're saying is Froch lost to a fragile, unskilled fighter with no power, right? That can't be good
Exactly.
I like froch but ward had his number in that fight. I am sure froch has a better chance than anyone in winning the rematch but while thats not happening, ward needs to stay busy and keep fighting.
At least ward is prepared to give rematches and the win over southpaw dawson was quite an impressive fight.
Ward is getting better..every fight.
dawson isn't very good. beating him is no great accomplishment.
It's a better acomplishment than beating the overrated Bute
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Hes just a bitter little bitch.
Hes jealous that Froch is now a bigger name than him because of the Bute fight. Also, he probably wants to point out that the Mack fight means nothing because Mack was weight drained but he cant say that now can he... ;D
No matter what Ward does, he will never be a big money fighter. Hes not all that skilled, or has power. Hes fragile and needs to hold. Bika had him hurt and he ran and held. He put alot of fans off with that awfull showing against Kessler. His whole "style" is just disrupting the rythm of another fighter, which for him means holding and rubbing his head in.
So what you're saying is Froch lost to a fragile, unskilled fighter with no power, right? That can't be good
Exactly.
I like froch but ward had his number in that fight. I am sure froch has a better chance than anyone in winning the rematch but while thats not happening, ward needs to stay busy and keep fighting.
At least ward is prepared to give rematches and the win over southpaw dawson was quite an impressive fight.
Ward is getting better..every fight.
dawson isn't very good. beating him is no great accomplishment.
It's a better acomplishment than beating the overrated Bute
is it? froch exposed bute as being overrated by destroying him in a manner most people weren't expecting... whereas anyone with any boxing acumen knew dawson was crap despite all the hype in preparation for the fight.
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Dawson is not crap.
Bute could never beat dawson.
ward has ducked no one and froch hasnt either.
I like both fighters but ward had frochs number.
Froch also had issues with dirrell..ward is a stronger version.
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Hes just a bitter little bitch.
Hes jealous that Froch is now a bigger name than him because of the Bute fight. Also, he probably wants to point out that the Mack fight means nothing because Mack was weight drained but he cant say that now can he... ;D
No matter what Ward does, he will never be a big money fighter. Hes not all that skilled, or has power. Hes fragile and needs to hold. Bika had him hurt and he ran and held. He put alot of fans off with that awfull showing against Kessler. His whole "style" is just disrupting the rythm of another fighter, which for him means holding and rubbing his head in.
So what you're saying is Froch lost to a fragile, unskilled fighter with no power, right? That can't be good
Exactly.
I like froch but ward had his number in that fight. I am sure froch has a better chance than anyone in winning the rematch but while thats not happening, ward needs to stay busy and keep fighting.
At least ward is prepared to give rematches and the win over southpaw dawson was quite an impressive fight.
Ward is getting better..every fight.
dawson isn't very good. beating him is no great accomplishment.
It's a better acomplishment than beating the overrated Bute
is it? froch exposed bute as being overrated by destroying him in a manner most people weren't expecting... whereas anyone with any boxing acumen knew dawson was crap despite all the hype in preparation for the fight.
You know why Froch exposed Bute? Cuz he got to him first. I have no doubt Ward and Kessler would of done the the exact same thing if they would of got to him first. And on the flip side I can't see Froch beating Dawson the way Ward did. I can't see Froch beating Dawson period.
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You know why Froch exposed Bute? Cuz he got to him first. I have no doubt Ward and Kessler would of done the the exact same thing if they would of got to him first. And on the flip side I can't see Froch beating Dawson the way Ward did. I can't see Froch beating Dawson period.
i think froch beats a weight drained dawson. no doubt about it. i'd bet he'd do him in less than 10 rounds too.
bute may not beat ward, but i think he would beat kessler by ko.
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You know why Froch exposed Bute? Cuz he got to him first. I have no doubt Ward and Kessler would of done the the exact same thing if they would of got to him first. And on the flip side I can't see Froch beating Dawson the way Ward did. I can't see Froch beating Dawson period.
i think froch beats a weight drained dawson. no doubt about it. i'd bet he'd do him in less than 10 rounds too.
bute may not beat ward, but i think he would beat kessler by ko.
I think Froch kicks the shit out of him and also agree that Bute beats Kessler. It just kills me how fast boxers get written off today. It's almost trend like. "Exposed" and "overrated" passed around like pot at a Grateful Dead concert.
Bute lost a fight against another top fighter. It was his first fight away and in hostile territory and he had a melt down. Its not the first time it has happened and it wont be the last. I'm unsure as to the reasoning behind going up to 175 unless he plans on staying. I have seen nothing in the media about why the rematch clause was not used. That Grachev fight did nothing to improve his shattered confidence. My only fear is that he could be mentally done.
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Ward beating Dawson was as impressive as Froch beating Mack. Taking a fighter from a higher weight division and bringing him down does not make an impressive win.
Pascal had already beaten Dawson at his own fucking weight and Froch chased Pascal out of the supermiddles;D
Froch would have stopped Dawson alot earlier than Ward did and it would have been a shot to the chin too. As I recall, Dawson took a shot to the stomach and quit. Froch wouldnt ha e given him the chance to quit.
Frochs win over Bute is a thousand times mor impressive than Wards over Dawson.
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Ward beating Dawson was as impressive as Froch beating Mack. Taking a fighter from a higher weight division and bringing him down does not make an impressive win.
Pascal had already beaten Dawson at his own fucking weight and Froch chased Pascal out of the supermiddles;D
Froch would have stopped Dawson alot earlier than Ward did and it would have been a shot to the chin too. As I recall, Dawson took a shot to the stomach and quit. Froch wouldnt ha e given him the chance to quit.
Frochs win over Bute is a thousand times mor impressive than Wards over Dawson.
True!
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Ward beating Dawson was as impressive as Froch beating Mack. Taking a fighter from a higher weight division and bringing him down does not make an impressive win.
Pascal had already beaten Dawson at his own fucking weight and Froch chased Pascal out of the supermiddles;D
Froch would have stopped Dawson alot earlier than Ward did and it would have been a shot to the chin too. As I recall, Dawson took a shot to the stomach and quit. Froch wouldnt ha e given him the chance to quit.
Frochs win over Bute is a thousand times mor impressive than Wards over Dawson.
True!
Yep
P4pking doesnt agree. Had a shitty little reputation comment from him telling me im a "monkey". Like a little sissy, rather than post what the reason is im wrong;D twat;D
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Ward beating Dawson was as impressive as Froch beating Mack. Taking a fighter from a higher weight division and bringing him down does not make an impressive win.
Pascal had already beaten Dawson at his own fucking weight and Froch chased Pascal out of the supermiddles;D
Froch would have stopped Dawson alot earlier than Ward did and it would have been a shot to the chin too. As I recall, Dawson took a shot to the stomach and quit. Froch wouldnt ha e given him the chance to quit.
Frochs win over Bute is a thousand times mor impressive than Wards over Dawson.
True!
Yep
P4pking doesnt agree. Had a shitty little reputation comment from him telling me im a "monkey". Like a little sissy, rather than post what the reason is im wrong;D twat;D
WHOOPS!!! hahaha.
that's strange cause he hasn't had much to contribute to this conversation.
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And Ward can shut up anyway he's pulled out of the Pavlik fight because he needs shoulder surgery. He will also be out for a while recovering so I doubt he will have a big names rematch for his return fight. I doubt Froch or Kessler will fight Ward in 2013, it just does depend on the recovery period for Ward though.
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Why is there so much hate for ward?
What has he done wrong?
He doesnt even need to give froch or kessler a rematch but he will because its the best money fights out there.
Ward would have beaten bute as well..prob not as easy as froch did but who cares! This is the man that has beaten froch and kessler already!
Ward strength is very decieving and he is alot stronger and tougher than people think he is.
Im a fan of froch but the smart move for him is to fight ward at the end of 2014...in the meantime he can fight bute, kessler and possibly dirrell.
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Why is there so much hate for ward?
What has he done wrong?
He doesnt even need to give froch or kessler a rematch but he will because its the best money fights out there.
Ward would have beaten bute as well..prob not as easy as froch did but who cares! This is the man that has beaten froch and kessler already!
Ward strength is very decieving and he is alot stronger and tougher than people think he is.
Im a fan of froch but the smart move for him is to fight ward at the end of 2014...in the meantime he can fight bute, kessler and possibly dirrell.
I don't hate ward I respect him as a champion, he put on a hell of a performance against Froch. But I just don't understand why he has a problem with the Froch-Kessler rematch especially when he is injured himself. I think whoever does win between Froch-Kessler does deserve a rematch against Ward considering there isn't that much at 175 and Ward doesn't want to move up anyway. So it completely makes sense for a rematch.
Froch would do a lot better in a rematch against Ward especially if he can get Ward to come to the UK for the fight. But if the fight is in the states again I don't think Froch would have a chance really. I don't think the rematch should happen as late as 2014, Froch will be older by then and I think he wouldn't be as good as he is now if he leaves it that late.
Froch needs to fight Kessler, then Bute and then hopefully by then Ward is ready again. I don't see the point in Froch fighting Dirrell again, Dirrell hasn't done anything for ages and it wouldn't prove much. Froch has domestic options like Degale and Groves which would be massive here in the UK, but I doubt Froch wants to bother with the younger fighters this late in his career, but who knows what will happen. Bute said that he might want one more fight before Froch as well, i hope he does have that fight.
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Dawson is not crap.
Bute could never beat dawson.
ward has ducked no one and froch hasnt either.
I like both fighters but ward had frochs number.
Froch also had issues with dirrell..ward is a stronger version.
i think bute would have a very good chance of beating dawson at SMW
in fact i think butes bodyshots would be the difference when fighting a weight drained fighter
at light heavy dawson would be a strong favourite to beat bute
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http://www.boxingscene.com/hearn-mikkel-kessler-well-look-andre-ward--60875
Hearn said he wants Kessler in May or June and then Ward in November. I wonder what Bute will have to say about this?
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Bute should be happy with what hes given.
I see ward getting better and better and froch is still improving at his age.
Froch is the biggest threat to wards crown...the question is will ward risk fighting in frochs home town when he doesnt need to?..should be a neutral venue.
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Bute should be happy with what hes given.
I see ward getting better and better and froch is still improving at his age.
Froch is the biggest threat to wards crown...the question is will ward risk fighting in frochs home town when he doesnt need to?..should be a neutral venue.
It would be a far greater achievement if Ward came to the UK and beat Froch again than if he had home advantage again.
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Bute should be happy with what hes given.
I see ward getting better and better and froch is still improving at his age.
Froch is the biggest threat to wards crown...the question is will ward risk fighting in frochs home town when he doesnt need to?..should be a neutral venue.
It would be a far greater achievement if Ward came to the UK and beat Froch again than if he had home advantage again.
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Ward is so against Froch-Kessler 2 because there aren't any other money-making fights at 168 for him other than Froch or Kessler. He is out of options. And no, Pavlik wasn't an option. Ward-Pavlik would have been the most lop-sided "big" fight since I don't know when.
Kessler is the only blemish on Froch's record besides Ward. It makes perfect sense that Froch would want to try to avenge a loss against Kessler. It also makes sense to attempt to avenge the loss against Kessler before avenging his loss against Ward. Ward is a more difficult fight than Kessler. The best business decision for Froch would be to beat Kessler in a rematch, rematch and beat Bute, and only then face Ward.
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Ward is so against Froch-Kessler 2 because there aren't any other money-making fights at 168 for him other than Froch or Kessler. He is out of options. And no, Pavlik wasn't an option. Ward-Pavlik would have been the most lop-sided "big" fight since I don't know when.
Kessler is the only blemish on Froch's record besides Ward. It makes perfect sense that Froch would want to try to avenge a loss against Kessler. It also makes sense to attempt to avenge the loss against Kessler before avenging his loss against Ward. Ward is a more difficult fight than Kessler. The best business decision for Froch would be to beat Kessler in a rematch, rematch and beat Bute, and only then face Ward.
No, I think business wise id go for Ward now while Froch is still relatively fresh. He seemed to have realised that he needed to start faster like he did against Bute. A Kessler fight now and its another war and possibly Froch loses a step. If he loses to Ward, he wont get beat up, he still has the Bute rematch and again Butes team will be hoping that with him coming off a loss hes an easy target. Beat Bute again, or Abraham, become a belt holder again, then the big money fight with Kessler.
I think another Kessler fight will slow Froch down a tad and put more wear on his aging body. Hes not Calzaghe that adapted his style with age to be more of a boxer than a fighter. Froch doesnt have that speed or work rate. All he has is his strength and aggression. At the least I could see Froch getting a draw by just letting his hands go rather than trying to match Wards skill and letting him hold.
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You both make good points.
But surely eddie hearn must be thinking he can make more money by leaving ward until 2014.
If froch beats kessler in may, and beats bute in october..that leaves the ward fight last which is the hardest.
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Ward has already pulled out of the pavlik fight as he has to have surgery on his shoulder.
Pavilik vs bute anyone?
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Ward has already pulled out of the pavlik fight as he has to have surgery on his shoulder.
Pavilik vs bute anyone?
Was supposed to happen last year wasnt it? Pavlik pulled out.
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http://www.boxingscene.com/hearn-mikkel-kessler-well-look-andre-ward--60875
Hearn said he wants Kessler in May or June and then Ward in November. I wonder what Bute will have to say about this?
froch will be doing bute a favour if he fights these other guys first. bute needs to work on his defense before he takes on a challenge like froch again. he didn't show any improvement in his last fight and i think he knows the outcome of a fight with froch would be the same at this point. maybe in a year if bute really work improving his defense.
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I do not think Ward is worried about Froch and Kessler taking the limelight from him. Ward is the best super middle without any doubt as he has comprehensively beaten both.
Ward is just taking his time whilst Froch and Kessler beat each other up. Ward is skilled but not a hard puncher and therefore not the most exciting fighter. Ward methodically beats his opponents up. This injury will be a set back for him but he has time on his side the Pavlik fighter was just a keep busy and earn some money fight.