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Has David Haye officially retired? I thought I read somewhere that unless he signed a Vitali Klitschko fight he was officially retired, but I can't seem to find the site. By the way, is it odd that he only will fight Vitali Klitschko when he lost to Wladimir Klitschko? I guess he's not rushing to avenge that defeat. Fair enough. David Haye does bring excitement to the table though and it would be fun to see him against an American or Price/Fury.
i believe he said he said he wouldnt fight anyone that wasnt called klitschko
i think the talk is all about vitali because he has agreed terms in the past
it doesnt look like it is gonna happen tho because all the talk seems to be about vitali fighting the winner of adamek and fury or something
an i agree i would like to see him carry on, i think he will fight again and i dont think he will fight a klit
No he's not, he's still chasing the Vitali fight. He wanted the Wlad rematch but Wladf has told him there is no point as the decision was so clear. Vitali just wants to knock him out, which is the intrigue in the fight, and Haye knows that the payday would still be huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
He was World Heavyweight Champion he has nothing left to prove.
/end sarcasm.
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Originally Posted by boyla
are you suggesting he wasnt champ and he does have something left to prove?
But, he's said that Vitali is the only fight he will take, otherwise he's retiring?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnNo he's not, he's still chasing the Vitali fight. He wanted the Wlad rematch but Wladf has told him there is no point as the decision was so clear. Vitali just wants to knock him out, which is the intrigue in the fight, and Haye knows that the payday would still be huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Haye will fight Vitali and if he beat him (which will only be because Vitali is shot to pieces) Wlad would be forced to fight him for the honour of the brotherhood. Haye is not interested in anyone else because he is afraid he will lose to them. Tyson Fury should start a public brawl with him then we could see him change his mind.
To be fair that's what he said after Wlad beat him yet he ended up taking the Chisora fight because "it's what everyone wanted to see" after their fight at the press conference. I don't believe he'll retire if he doesn't get the Vitali fight, I think he'll have another fight or 2 yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Wasted talent! The guy had decent skills, look and attitude to be something to watch in the heavies but lacks heart and desire. Go away Haye just go away.
He says lots of things. I'm a Haye fan, but you have to take alot of things he says with a pinch of salt. Haye is a businessman first and a boxer second. If it makes financial sense, he'll take a fight. This is why he fought Valuev. He got a lowball offer off the Klitschko's so he walked away, took the easier fight against Valuev so he could use the WBA belt as a bargaining chip in Klitschko negotiations to get a bigger purse. He walked away from the first Wlad fight because Setanta (the company he had a massive TV money deal with) went under, and that was a significant chunk of his deal. He fought Chisora be. cause the brawl at the press conference generated massive mainstraim media attention, so people would pay to see it. It is all about business with Haye. If it makes money, it makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratBut, he's said that Vitali is the only fight he will take, otherwise he's retiring?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnNo he's not, he's still chasing the Vitali fight. He wanted the Wlad rematch but Wladf has told him there is no point as the decision was so clear. Vitali just wants to knock him out, which is the intrigue in the fight, and Haye knows that the payday would still be huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Haye will fight where the money is, personally I have no problem with that, it is a professional sport!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Personally I hope it happens soon because bloody Bluesq are still holding 90 quid of my Valuev winnings at 11/4 on Haye to beat Vitali and won't give me it back!
If the money is right and Haye fights Fury then its pick a round, if he fights Price then thats bloody interesting!
haye is always retiring or some otehr nonsense... he is just talking balls trying to get klitschko to send a contract he likes... haye klitschko would probably make the most money for vitali so haye is trying to scare him into thinking he will miss a big pay day... although I suspect vitali is rich enough already and it will be hard to fool him like this... but haye won't retire he's just going to live off his fame of beign the heavyweight saviour (:S) for as long as he can and when a good chance to fight a dodgy highly rated heavyweight comes up he shall take it so he can stay relevant... wouldn't be surprised if he fights chagaevQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Haye is actually in his prime right now IMO
And it coincides perfectly with the beginning of Vitali's decline
Haye is retired unless Vitali fights him. No one else will generate as much money as Vitali and other than Wladimir he's the only heavyweight that is a big name. Fury and Price won't come near to what a V. Klitschko vs. D. Haye fight would mean or generate in terms of revenue.
Disagree, both Price and Fury could generate as much revenue as a Klitsko fight and even surpass this amount.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBomb
How is taking and extended break from boxing and not train or fighting called being in your prime?
Jungle challenges on a reality tv show is what a boxer in his prime does.
I don't think either Price or Fury would be able to do that. Vitali is more renowned than either ... I mean Vitali is still known as the dominant heavyweight in nearly the last decade and he's known for fighting in what many believe to be the last great heavyweight fight against Lennox Lewis. He and Wladimir are the biggest names in the division, bar none.Quote:
Originally Posted by boylaDisagree, both Price and Fury could generate as much revenue as a Klitsko fight and even surpass this amount.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBomb
How is taking and extended break from boxing and not train or fighting called being in your prime?
Jungle challenges on a reality tv show is what a boxer in his prime does.
Most people know Tyson Fury because he punched himself in the face and because his first name is Tyson ... Both Price and Fury are limited in their popularity on a global scale ... the Brits know about them but who else? I doubt they are even that famous in their own native Britain. Haye vs. Fury/Price would be a big event in the UK but thats about it ... it probably won't even be as big as the Haye vs. Chisora fight. I don't know the numbers in terms of revenue for the Haye vs. Klitschko fight but I'm sure it trumped whatever the earnings were for Haye vs. Chisora.
I'd rather see Klitschko vs. Haye because Vitali might lose this one, especially after what happened in Haye vs. Chisora compared to Klitschko vs. Chisora ... I'm guessing that would be the incentive for most people to see that fight.
By prime I meant that he should be in his prime at this age.
This is so true.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09
After the wlad performance, its pretty obvious he just wants one more big payday.
He will never fight price or fury as the money wont interest him.
Haye should rematch wlad..just to see if the toe injury played a part in it or not.
Haye does not deserve a rematch after the Wlad performance, the only way he can do it is to beat Vitali. As poor at Vitali has been lately he would never come in poor against Haye, he will smash Haye like he did Peters and adamek.
Haye knows he cant beat Wlad,he is after one more payday against a old Vitali.
I think his plan is if he fights like he did against valuev and pot shot against an aging and slow Vitali he can pull off the upset. Wlad would then have to fight him, so he gets 2 pay days.Quote:
Originally Posted by roberto duran legend
I hope Vitali flattens him.
I wonder if the guy even knows that his mouth and behavior have helped create a situation where most fans are indifferent to what he does.Quote:
Originally Posted by roberto duran legend
He should retire, it's what he want's to do, and the Klits don't appear to need the money that comes with his mouth.
The sad thing is that I believe he does have a chance with Vitali at this time. Vitali didn't impress with his last outing. IMO.
Legacy and financially wise, there isn't anyone else out there that will match the rewards that the Klitschkos will give him, so it don't make much sense to fight anyone else. Unless he wants to go after Povetkin's belt.
If matched right he can steal thunder from the K bros. Povetkin, Adamek, Huck and Banks could make him millions and could set up another lucrative payday for him. And put Fury or Price on the undercards to setup a future UK showdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by mightyfighter
Can't see him getting a decision in Germany fighting the way he did against Valuev, still don't think he deserved the W against Valuev.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think his plan is if he fights like he did against valuev and pot shot against an aging and slow Vitali he can pull off the upset. Wlad would then have to fight him, so he gets 2 pay days.Quote:
Originally Posted by roberto duran legend
David Haye is one of my favorite fighters. I hope he fights again in 2013. Europe is where all the action is in boxing. I want to see him fight Vitali if his punk ass will fight Haye.
Those are my thoughts. In my opinion, he would be the favorite against pretty much every other heavyweight, not named Klitschko. Even if the Vitali fight pays him the most, he could probably make the same amount of money fighting two or three other heavyweights that he would be favored to beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09If matched right he can steal thunder from the K bros. Povetkin, Adamek, Huck and Banks could make him millions and could set up another lucrative payday for him. And put Fury or Price on the undercards to setup a future UK showdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by mightyfighter
He should fight Tyson Fury. I would love to see what Fury is made of.
http://www.boxingscene.com/haye-not-afraid-retire-i-want-number-one--61016
I personally think Hayes attention seeking as he always does. There's money to be made with Haye so why quit now? It's not like he's ever been badly knocked out and he's only lost to the best. Maybe he does still have a point to prove.
lol he's cowering away and making excuses presentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by roberto duran legend
if he doesn't then it will be recorded in the annals of boxing history that Vitali Klitschko DUCKED a guy, who according to him (or his brother, I can't remember who said this) "isn't a real heavyweight."
That Haye can potentially still make a big money fight shows how desperate heavyweight boxing fans are nowadays. IMO, he lost any bargaining power he had with his disgraceful showing against Wlad. What was already obnoxious trashtalking before the Wlad fight, is now empty, obnoxious trashtalking. Either shut up and keep busy against credible opposition... or go ahead and retire.
i hope vitali gets him in the ring to tryQuote:
Originally Posted by roberto duran legend
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Originally Posted by TysonBomblol he's cowering away and making excuses presentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by roberto duran legend
if he doesn't then it will be recorded in the annals of boxing history that Vitali Klitschko DUCKED a guy, who according to him (or his brother, I can't remember who said this) "isn't a real heavyweight."
the thing is (as you have brought ducking into it) why wont a vital and his camp agree to fight haye?
they wont make more money anywhere else
why train for 3 months to make half as much?
I can only come to one of 2 conclusions
1 they really dont like haye so they wont give him the chance
2 the are worried they will lose
They probably do hate him, to the extent that they do not want him to get any opportunity to make money out of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBomblol he's cowering away and making excuses presentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by roberto duran legend
if he doesn't then it will be recorded in the annals of boxing history that Vitali Klitschko DUCKED a guy, who according to him (or his brother, I can't remember who said this) "isn't a real heavyweight."
the thing is (as you have brought ducking into it) why wont a vital and his camp agree to fight haye?
they wont make more money anywhere else
why train for 3 months to make half as much?
I can only come to one of 2 conclusions
1 they really dont like haye so they wont give him the chance
2 the are worried they will lose
Haye needs Vitali.
Both Klitskos do not need Haye.
Haye has no intention of fighting anyone unless he gets a title shot.
Which he does not deserve, he was out of his depth with Wlad, and is pinning his hopes on facing a fading Vitali who is actually on the verge of retirement.
Instead of fighting other heavyweights, his strategy is to try talking his way into a fight with Vitali.
Just because you refuse to fight other contenders does not catapult you into fight with Vitali.
Why doesn't Haye call out Wlad for a re-match, because he is scared just like when he hurt his toe.
both klits would make twice as much fighting haye than they would fighting any other 2 heavyweights on the same night (almost)Quote:
Originally Posted by boyla
they dont need him becauser they are loaded already and dont need the money
they would do a lot better fighting him tho
Career wise, Wlad gains nothing by beating haye again.
Vitali's record is not going to be in dispute if he does not face haye.
Last time around Haye had a strap(3rd rate belt), he does not have that luxury of a bargaining chip this time around.
Smug, cocky Haye does not sell a fight as well after his no show against Wlad.
You could argue Vitali fighting Price would net as much cash as a fight with Haye.
Fighting Wlad's older brother because he got resoundingly beaten by Wlad is not as enticing as a unification bout.
After Haye stint in the Jungle he can hardly be called a credible opponent for either fighter.
Agree 100%. Plus Vitali best years are behind him. He wants as many hand picked bums as can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44both klits would make twice as much fighting haye than they would fighting any other 2 heavyweights on the same night (almost)Quote:
Originally Posted by boyla
they dont need him becauser they are loaded already and dont need the money
they would do a lot better fighting him tho
From where? They sellout arenas fighting anybody in Germany, and aren't on PPV, so where will their extra money come from?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44both klits would make twice as much fighting haye than they would fighting any other 2 heavyweights on the same night (almost)Quote:
Originally Posted by boyla
setanta :S..........Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenFrom where? They sellout arenas fighting anybody in Germany, and aren't on PPV, so where will their extra money come from?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44both klits would make twice as much fighting haye than they would fighting any other 2 heavyweights on the same night (almost)Quote:
Originally Posted by boyla
yeah klitschko dont need haye at all.. esecially since wladimir beat him so easily it's not going to make them much more money than they would get anyway and haye would possibly demand a bigger cut than other klitschko opponents so i doubt taking haye on just now would be that big of a deal to the klitschkos... also it wont do anything for vitalis legacy as if he wins he will just have beaten a guy who lost easily to his younger brother and then won one fight .. :S haye hasnt done enough since losing to wlad to make the fight worthwhile
if haye wants to make the fight happen he should take on some contenders and get famous on american tv... the klitschkos would love a big fight in america i think
Haye can't keep expecting to have it all his own way. Does he really deserve a fight with Vitali for the WBC title? I don't think so. He should fight Fury first, winner gets the shot.