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Froch Will Likely Avoid Cleverly Showdown, Says Warren - Boxing News
Frank says that he thinks Carl will likely swerve a fight with Cleverly and to take the Kessler shot. Frank is right, shameless ducking by Carl. Froch needs to stop fighting bums and start fighting top contenders. Follow the Cleverly blueprint Carl!!
As if Warren would put Cleverly in with Froch ;D He needs to fight someone with a pulse first.
Cleverly definitely needs some column inches, and old frog eyes knows it. If anyones boxing calender ever fizzled out with a squirt at the end it has been Cleverly's this year. Ha.
2013 will be his year though, he's already putting it right out there against Robert Krasniqi to get the year off to a bang. Start as we mean to go on hey Frank.
Why o why has nathan not fought dawson yet? How long is this guy going to be protected and remain undefeated fighting bums.!
Blame Warren not Cleverly for this crap, just a cheap way to ride on the publicity that is froch from a rival promoter.
Hasn't had him fight a good fighter in his own weight class yet, but a champion in the division BELOW his is 'avoiding him'.
OK Warren... Sure...
Typical fish eyes or squid head
Cleverly beating Bellow was an underrated victory.
Agreed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
And if it happens again tony would beat him I reckon
In you dream's Tony is the second best Ligh-HW in the country, I like him let him win an other versionQuote:
Originally Posted by DropanukeAgreed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
And if it happens again tony would beat him I reckon
of the Light- HW title, then have a rematch good pay day for each of them, a great fight for the fan's.;)
clev doesnt really have any massive fight options other than bellew and the time probably isnt right for the rematch
what else is frank gonna do to try and get a big fight
Dawson, Hopkins, Cloud, Shumanov, Pascal, Campillo? Maybe call out a decent Light-Heavyweight?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I like Cleverly. He was progressing nicely but his opposition has gotten worse since winning the belt. Frank needs to stop talking and start making decent fights. You can't harp on about Nathan being ready for the best and then sign to fight Tom Karpency. Saying Froch will duck Cleverly though is absolutely laughable. Froch is levels above him, and his opposition is on a higher level than Nathan. Plus Froch will make alot more money elsewhere.
Why wouldn't time by right for the Bellew rematch? Seriously, what else has he got going on?
Warren's just trying to hype up his boy. Clev needs to step up his competition before challenging someone of Froch's calibre.
Beating Clev does absolutely nothing for Froch's legacy, but it'll give him a good payday.
You're not hyping him well by doing this though. Challenging a fighter out of your fighter's weightclass, and criticising his choise of higher calibre opponent for more money? It is idiocy. He did the same thing with Brook by challenging Khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by mightyfighter
he has tried and failed with more than one of those fightersQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnDawson, Hopkins, Cloud, Shumanov, Pascal, Campillo? Maybe call out a decent Light-Heavyweight?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I like Cleverly. He was progressing nicely but his opposition has gotten worse since winning the belt. Frank needs to stop talking and start making decent fights. You can't harp on about Nathan being ready for the best and then sign to fight Tom Karpency. Saying Froch will duck Cleverly though is absolutely laughable. Froch is levels above him, and his opposition is on a higher level than Nathan. Plus Froch will make alot more money elsewhere.
Why wouldn't time by right for the Bellew rematch? Seriously, what else has he got going on?
clev v froch would generate lots of pounds
why not try?
and on clev v bellew, i am of the opinion it would be better when after bellew progresses a little bit moreQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnDawson, Hopkins, Cloud, Shumanov, Pascal, Campillo? Maybe call out a decent Light-Heavyweight?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I like Cleverly. He was progressing nicely but his opposition has gotten worse since winning the belt. Frank needs to stop talking and start making decent fights. You can't harp on about Nathan being ready for the best and then sign to fight Tom Karpency. Saying Froch will duck Cleverly though is absolutely laughable. Froch is levels above him, and his opposition is on a higher level than Nathan. Plus Froch will make alot more money elsewhere.
Why wouldn't time by right for the Bellew rematch? Seriously, what else has he got going on?
although if the fight happened now i would definately be watching
Since the Bellew fight, which he arguably lost, Cleverly has fought Tommy Karpency and Shawn Hawk. Two of the WORST "world" title defenses of all-time.
Clev is the one that needs to progress a bit.
progress in terms of ability perhapsQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
in terms of rankings / standings there is a bit of a gap in clevs favour
plus im not sure how edison miranda would fair against clevs last 2 defences, yeah they were shit names but miranda isnt the fighter he was
For Cleverly it would. Froch can make alot more money fighting Super-Middleweights.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44he has tried and failed with more than one of those fightersQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnDawson, Hopkins, Cloud, Shumanov, Pascal, Campillo? Maybe call out a decent Light-Heavyweight?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I like Cleverly. He was progressing nicely but his opposition has gotten worse since winning the belt. Frank needs to stop talking and start making decent fights. You can't harp on about Nathan being ready for the best and then sign to fight Tom Karpency. Saying Froch will duck Cleverly though is absolutely laughable. Froch is levels above him, and his opposition is on a higher level than Nathan. Plus Froch will make alot more money elsewhere.
Why wouldn't time by right for the Bellew rematch? Seriously, what else has he got going on?
clev v froch would generate lots of pounds
why not try?
Also, he has only tried to secure a Hopkins fight. Again, it does nothing for Hopkins beating Cleverly because he hasn't proved a damn thing.
Also, Boxrec has Bellew higher in the world rankings.
Clev has never fought a single fighter that has fought for a "world" title let alone won one. Karpency just got destroyed in 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44progress in terms of ability perhapsQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
in terms of rankings / standings there is a bit of a gap in clevs favour
plus im not sure how edison miranda would fair against clevs last 2 defences, yeah they were shit names but miranda isnt the fighter he was
Miranda, although past his best, is the best opponent either has faced.
By the way - I too would love to see Froch step-up and muller Cleverly. But everyone knows Warren is only calling him out because he knows the fight wont happen, Froch clearly has far bigger options.
warren is cleverlys promoterQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnFor Cleverly it would. Froch can make alot more money fighting Super-Middleweights.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44he has tried and failed with more than one of those fightersQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnDawson, Hopkins, Cloud, Shumanov, Pascal, Campillo? Maybe call out a decent Light-Heavyweight?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I like Cleverly. He was progressing nicely but his opposition has gotten worse since winning the belt. Frank needs to stop talking and start making decent fights. You can't harp on about Nathan being ready for the best and then sign to fight Tom Karpency. Saying Froch will duck Cleverly though is absolutely laughable. Froch is levels above him, and his opposition is on a higher level than Nathan. Plus Froch will make alot more money elsewhere.
Why wouldn't time by right for the Bellew rematch? Seriously, what else has he got going on?
clev v froch would generate lots of pounds
why not try?
Also, he has only tried to secure a Hopkins fight. Again, it does nothing for Hopkins beating Cleverly because he hasn't proved a damn thing.
Also, Boxrec has Bellew higher in the world rankings.
im not so sure about miranda being the best fighter either has facedQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterClev has never fought a single fighter that has fought for a "world" title let alone won one. Karpency just got destroyed in 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44progress in terms of ability perhapsQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
in terms of rankings / standings there is a bit of a gap in clevs favour
plus im not sure how edison miranda would fair against clevs last 2 defences, yeah they were shit names but miranda isnt the fighter he was
Miranda, although past his best, is the best opponent either has faced.
hes the biggest name but i think there are one or two on cleverlys record who would probably handle him nowadays
against bellew miranda was just shit
p.s. it sounds like i am shouting for clev over bellew, i prefer bellew and would suport him in a rematch
i am just saying warren is just doing his job and promoting his fighter
He isn't doing a good job though as most will see this for what it really is. Fighting tomato cans who haven't done anything is not really doing anything for Clev's career. Fighting Miranda, a well known named opponent gets Bellew alot of attention. Eddie Hearn is doing his job promoting his fighter, because Bellew lost to Clev, doesn't have a belt and yet most people rank Bellew higher. How does that work?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
you are probably rightQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnHe isn't doing a good job though as most will see this for what it really is. Fighting tomato cans who haven't done anything is not really doing anything for Clev's career. Fighting Miranda, a well known named opponent gets Bellew alot of attention. Eddie Hearn is doing his job promoting his fighter, because Bellew lost to Clev, doesn't have a belt and yet most people rank Bellew higher. How does that work?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
bellew has done a lot more since they fought
i dont think theres anything wrong with calling out froch tho
There is when it isn't serious and it's just attention grabbing. Warren is critical of Froch for looking to fight Kessler instead of Cleverly, yet he couldn't fight Cleverly now because Nathan has to fight Krasniqi or he'll be stripped. It's all well and good calling someone out but if they don't fight you, you've got to go out and fight someone decent or the fans will see you as a fraud. Anthony Mundine is the ultimate example of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44you are probably rightQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnHe isn't doing a good job though as most will see this for what it really is. Fighting tomato cans who haven't done anything is not really doing anything for Clev's career. Fighting Miranda, a well known named opponent gets Bellew alot of attention. Eddie Hearn is doing his job promoting his fighter, because Bellew lost to Clev, doesn't have a belt and yet most people rank Bellew higher. How does that work?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
bellew has done a lot more since they fought
i dont think theres anything wrong with calling out froch tho
i am sure if froch said yes lets have it clev would fight himQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnThere is when it isn't serious and it's just attention grabbing. Warren is critical of Froch for looking to fight Kessler instead of Cleverly, yet he couldn't fight Cleverly now because Nathan has to fight Krasniqi or he'll be stripped. It's all well and good calling someone out but if they don't fight you, you've got to go out and fight someone decent or the fans will see you as a fraud. Anthony Mundine is the ultimate example of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44you are probably rightQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnHe isn't doing a good job though as most will see this for what it really is. Fighting tomato cans who haven't done anything is not really doing anything for Clev's career. Fighting Miranda, a well known named opponent gets Bellew alot of attention. Eddie Hearn is doing his job promoting his fighter, because Bellew lost to Clev, doesn't have a belt and yet most people rank Bellew higher. How does that work?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
bellew has done a lot more since they fought
i dont think theres anything wrong with calling out froch tho
its just very unlikely
Bute.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnDawson, Hopkins, Cloud, Shumanov, Pascal, Campillo? Maybe call out a decent Light-Heavyweight?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I like Cleverly. He was progressing nicely but his opposition has gotten worse since winning the belt. Frank needs to stop talking and start making decent fights. You can't harp on about Nathan being ready for the best and then sign to fight Tom Karpency. Saying Froch will duck Cleverly though is absolutely laughable. Froch is levels above him, and his opposition is on a higher level than Nathan. Plus Froch will make alot more money elsewhere.
Why wouldn't time by right for the Bellew rematch? Seriously, what else has he got going on?